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[MMonkeyking]

EA just published the game, get your info right b4 u post

[chothug]

Guys need to stop complaining. Can you make a better game than Bioware? If you think you can then do it. If not then you should relax. Bioware is trying their hardest to keep us happy. We complain about stupid crap, and when we get it, we complain more.



Give Bioware some respect and props for making one of the best RPG's ever.



Thanks Bioware, you made alot of people happy when this game came out. I am on my third play through right now... Going to try out Renegade style. Spent 54 hours so far. Got about 85% of the achievements done.



One of the best RPG's I have ever played. Bioware is great.

[Pauravi]

ZennExile wrote...

Those are technically story elements.  You're not really playing a role at that point you are just letting the story unfold.  I prefer making the story my own.

Gotta disagree.
IMO, the actual role-playing happens during the conversations.  That is when you play your role as Shepard, and decide what kind of person he is and what influence he will have on the story.

I consider RPG elements to be more about player choice than about the story.

?? That sounds like an oxymoron.  The MOST IMPORTANT choices you make are about the story and how it unfolds.

Economy, exploration, customization, crafting...

But none of those things have to do with playing a particular role, they have to do with stat crunching and packratting.  Your role is your involvement in the story.  Exploration I can see -- it isn't really role playing, but it is a common trait among RPGs to have a somewhat non-linear storyline and freedom of movement.  There are a couple objections I have there: first off, driving the Mako in ME1 didn't feel much like exploring to me.  It felt like struggling over lots of identical-but-differently-colored terrain created by a fractal landscape generator in order to complete meaningless tasks like click on rocks.  Second, I think that the planets in ME2 are more fun to explore because they are much more unique than in ME1.  There are fewer of them, certainly, but I think that's because they took so much more work individually.  Planets in ME1 looked like someone just hit a "randomize" button on a terrain generator, plopped down a couple pre-fab buildings, and called it a day.  In ME2 every planet is very unique in feel and scenery, and walking around them is more fun.

....branching story arcs; these are what I consider to be RPG elements.

EXACTLY.  Which is precisely what ME2 did.  What could be bigger than letting your actions determine what characters are even going to be in the next game?  The way you treat your squad mates, how well you know them, and how effectively you lead them has everything to do with the branching story arc.

You know, mechanics that allow the player to influence the outcome of the story.

Yes, like DIALOGUE.

The story is awesome and the characters are well written, but that doesn't do much to feed my Roleplay tapeworm.

To each their own I guess.  To me, making RPGs about assigning stats and managing items and inventories completely misses what makes an RPG compelling and fun.  I like RPGs for the story and the characters, and those are exactly what Bioware concentrated on.  Shuffling items is a distraction from the part that makes the game unique and good.

[flatlander five]

ZennExile wrote...

Other than that ME2 is the result of decisions made during the depression scare.  I understand why the game isn't finished the way I would have liked.  But it still bugs the crap out of me.

I think this is actually the most salient point made in this entire thead. 

I hadn't thought about the ramifications of what has happened in the real world between Mass Effect 1 & 2.

Not that I am complaining - Mass  Effect 2 was amazing - the only game that I've bothered to pre-order (the Collectors Edition no less).

Is it different from ME1? YES! Does that hurt the game (imho) it doesn't. 

It sure doesn't detract from the original, I still have it, and since getting ME2 I've been really tempted to go back and make one or two new characters to import into the second. If anything it makes the fiirst one even stronger.

Does Mass Effect 2 have some flaws? Yeah, definitely! But nothing that ruins the best game I have bought for the XBox since the first one came out (well, Orange Box, but that kind of derails my point).

Heck, I bought the xbox partly BECAUSE of Mass Effect - prior to that I was as obnoxious a Sony fanboy as you could findB).

Anyways, I'd like nothing more than to hang EA out to dry but I can't fault them on this one - I even liked the marketing campaign, which makes me feel dirty, like I've forced to be work for some shadowy organization that was single-handedly responsible for horrifically murdering my entire squad and scarring me for life.

I am sorry to hear that some were dissapointed with the game, I wish I could loan you my experience with it.

[screwoffreg]

EA has actually gotten a lot better despite its rocky past. Look at Dragon Age, a game that was stuck in development limbo for nearly a decade. They could have killed it, but instead they marketed it aggressively and have even greenlighted a sequel. The old EA would have murdered it.

[Collider]

Don't really care about thermal clips. I did run out of ammo a few times, but far too few to care. That said, I wouldn't care if they went back to overheating instead of clips. Just about the same thing considering the availability of ammo. Also I agree with another poster...Bioware did a really great job in ME2. They listened to the fans. There is no inventory nightmare anymore, although I might have wanted a greater variety of armor and weapons. Great focus on characters, and they included the romances that the fans wanted the most - Tali and Garrus. Secretary notifying me of things was also nice.



Although I didn't do the kelly "romance" I hear that she is available for females as well so Bioware threw a bone to the players who wanted that. Is it just me or did Thane seemed to a romance for males? I kind of suspected this with Jacob but eventually I learned better. When you're talking with Kelly about Thane and she says hes scary and sexy, there's an option that's "Maybe both" o_O oh and you can ask Thane if he's lonely.

[AtreiyaN7]

I wish the Collectors would come to the forums and kidnap all EA conspiracy theorists instead of taking entire human colonies. I'm sure they wouldn't be missed, and then the Reapers could work on that reproduction thing in peace - until they invade that is.

[AmstradHero]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

I'd love to see the reactions of the BioWare employees who read these forums. It must be something like this:
*Throws hands in the air* "Good lord. We can't make these people happy! How many more things are they going to b*tch about? I mean, really?! You don't like this, so we change it. What's that? Now you're mad because we changed it?!" *Shakes head* "I give up with these people."

Surprisingly enough, this also happens to mod makers... who are providing free content for gamers.

It's a rule of the Internet - if it's there, someone will complain about it.

[Kavva]

@OP, personaly i like the idea of clips - it makes you change weapons not just shoot with one kind through the whole game.

[TLK Spires]

laffy007 wrote...

I'm a mass effect 1 fanboy. I loved all the technical improvements to the game (and the sense of humor), but EA really ****ed this thing up. As always they love to be the public kissbutt with no individuality.
Example: heat clips? appearently guns cannot cool off on there own anymore.
They screwed up the lore, and story. and failed to create personalitys.
Congrats EA, you've screwed up another game.

cool story bro.

[Plomino]

If every game EA screwed was like Mass Effect 2, hell I wished they screwed games much often...

[Vandrayke]

Plomino wrote...

If every game EA screwed was like Mass Effect 2, hell I wished they screwed games much often...

lolwerd
ME2 is probably one of my top 5 favorite games ever

[Vandrayke]

Kavva wrote...

@OP, personaly i like the idea of clips - it makes you change weapons not just shoot with one kind through the whole game.

absolutely
in order to save ammo, the game forces you to make it easier on yourself by using the right gun in the right situation

[Vandrayke]

AmstradHero wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

I'd love to see the reactions of the BioWare employees who read these forums. It must be something like this:
*Throws hands in the air* "Good lord. We can't make these people happy! How many more things are they going to b*tch about? I mean, really?! You don't like this, so we change it. What's that? Now you're mad because we changed it?!" *Shakes head* "I give up with these people."

Surprisingly enough, this also happens to mod makers... who are providing free content for gamers.

It's a rule of the Internet - if it's there, someone will complain about it.

yeah it might be cliche but you can never please everybody

it always cracked me up when I'd play an aweseome NWN mod that someone made and then go to the forums to talk about how much I liked it and there were always a few people talking about how it was garbage because you couldn't level as a monk/paladin/sorcerer with epic club weapon focus while wearing plate with a chaotic evil alignment or something

[Vandrayke]

or one of my favorites was when someone would play a rogue mod in a low magic environment and complain about how crappy it was to be a cleric

[Tinywolf]

of course EA mucked it.....its not like their were involved in the first one or anything

[bjdbwea]

It is very likely in my opinion that EA at least set a release date that BioWare had to meet. I think we can all agree that the game could've been much better if it had maybe half a year more of development time. BioWare still managed their time better than Obsidian did with KotoR 2, but both games could've been so much better, had the developers a reasonable (of course not infinite) amount of time more.

No one knows if EA or BioWare decided to dumb down several important aspects of gameplay, so don't be so quick blaming EA. Maybe this also was just due to time constraints, not that it would be an excuse of course.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 04 février 2010 - 01:06 .

[Schurge]

If you don't like it, thats fine. But its not EA's fault that it is the way it is (and I am happy with what it is).

As far as I know, the only thing EA controls is funding... Mass Effect II would have been the same way with or without EA, if EA wasn't in the picture (and this is just my uninformed opinion, just like yours) I think the only thing that would have been different is that they would have been able to release it later and thus have some more content. Just be glad EA didn't threaten to cut funding if they didn't rush the game to come out before Christmas like they forced Mythic to release Warhammer a several months early (if not a year).

Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike EA, I just don't buy into 'reptilian'-type theories (link is to wikipedia article on the reptilian conspiracy theory - its clean).

[laffy007]

ZennExile wrote...

Creative freedom as long as they met the deadlines and spent ZERO money on the project.

EA: "Do whatever you think is best.. as long as it's done in 2 weeks and you spend all the development money on advertising and skip the major RPG elements because they will take too long and cost too much money, you have full creative freedom."

Yeah, thats about right.

[laffy007]

MMonkeyking wrote...

EA just published the game, get your info right b4 u post

Actually i did think b4 i posted. I know bioware makes awesome games if given enough time, but i think EA shortstacked them.  Also EA decides to make pre-order codes hard as hell to use

[screwoffreg]

People who slam EA forget that it is their primary goal to ensure companies like Bioware are profitable. Could Bioware have taken 10 years to handcraft ME 2 to be the perfect game? Sure. The investment would have been massive and it would likely mean Bioware would go out of business as well. There are always compromises and I am sure ME 2 had to make some. With that said, overall I am pleased with the game and even if there were things cut, I haven't noticed anything that makes me go "wow, that sure is lazy!"

[Naltair]

ZennExile wrote...
ME1 was a book. ME2 is a movie. That's just the way it is. And you know what? All the hat tips and inuendo aside; ME1 is why Mass Effect is a hundred million+ IP.

Great job on the combat and the voice acting. I'm ready for the rest of the game now.

I like that thought but to me, both are movies  in that they are evocative action stories that I would love to just kick back and watch play out... on the big screen.  I still think ME2 is the superior "game" but ME1 has a certain charm that pulled us all into the IP in the first place, neither could exist without the other and they both have positive strengths.

Combat aside though, ME2 is the better game and has better story pacing overall.

[Vicious]

Boohoo heat clips