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#2501
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Eshaye wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

he showed his math and what he used.


Honestly there's someone else doing these and getting much fairer results... With Mordin heading the lead by a long shot..
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He said that the results look very different for female players but didn't show what they would look like, as Kaidan is a female romance (by that I mean writen for females specifically), that article that the link was posted to a while back even said so, it's not suprising that a poll dominated by male players would comeout like that, as usual statistics can be used to show whatever you damn well please and lets face it, showing the math does not prove the math correct. 

I'm not saying it isn't just that it can't be cited as proof unless his math has been tested by someone who knows what they're doing who is unbiased. 

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fortunesque wrote...

The reason I trusted the results of the first survey more is that you couldn't put in duplicate votes. For the third one, you can vote as many times as you want because there's no way of telling.

So person x that likes character ___ can give them a 10 and give the one they liked the least a 1. Then in a few minutes, they can come back and vote again, giving the same scores. Or, if they're feeling extra crafty, they can vote multiple times in a row, slightly altering their scores for every character except for their most loved and most hated.

The first survey couldn't be rigged like this because it was post-based.


Well, there is a slight check on the behavior you describe--which is that everyone can watch the data roll in. So someone can hopefully catch fishy behavior. But that requires someone constantly watching and willing to say something. And you can look through the full data (http://spreadsheets....NOUXJDYUE&hl=en) and see how often you think it happened.

But you're basically right, a way to keep everyone voting once and only once would be better.

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Eshaye wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

he showed his math and what he used.


Honestly there's someone else doing these and getting much fairer results... With Mordin heading the lead by a long shot..
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Right now they're saying that he just picked who everyone chose as their favorite and didn't take into consideration that they are number 1-10.

I really don't understand where he's coming from anyway...the thing was just done for fun and he's trying to use it as if it's proof that Tali is the undisputed god of the Mass Effect Universe. I call that desperation.

As much as I love Kaidan I would actually expect someone like Wrex or Mordin to top the list as favorite character because they aren't LI's. People can get competitive with LI's but non-LI's are universal characters that everyone can like.

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fortunesque wrote...

The reason I trusted the results of the first survey more is that you couldn't put in duplicate votes. For the third one, you can vote as many times as you want because there's no way of telling.

So person x that likes character ___ can give them a 10 and give the one they liked the least a 1. Then in a few minutes, they can come back and vote again, giving the same scores. Or, if they're feeling extra crafty, they can vote multiple times in a row, slightly altering their scores for every character except for their most loved and most hated.

The first survey couldn't be rigged like this because it was post-based.


So in other words one Tali fan could vote over and over. I wonder how many times "you know who" voted in the survey.

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It's getting gloomy in here!!!

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Here's the link for the poll posted earlier for those who still haven't voted(not the survey above):



http://social.biowar...00&poll_id=1994





Kaidan is coming in third.

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Eshaye wrote...

It's getting gloomy in here!!!

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Everything just brightened. :D

Would look nice posted in the Tali thread.

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Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan. And as a female gamer, I get extremely frustrated at these insipid, nose picking pricks that have nothing better to do with their lives than to constantly parrot the same **** over and over again. Can any of these people hold an intellectual conversation without simply rephrasing their sentences every time they try to make their argument?

Nope. It's just "hips" and "she's so cute".

Tali is a Mary Sue. She has no flaws, other than stammering when she's nervous and caring too much for other people. She has an environmental suit that makes her even more endearing because it's a handicap. Those are classic Sueish qualities that I often saw in OCs in poorly written fanfic.

So, imo, she is a poor character that lacks confilct. I absolutely GAG on the sugarey sweetness of her character.

/end rant.

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fortunesque wrote...

Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan.


But why Kaidan he's a femShep LI ??
maybe they feel threaten??:)

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Looks like Deltaboy and Cutlass Jack are going at it over on the actual survey thread...BECC4 is over there too:



If anyone wants to take a peak:



http://social.biowar...index/1159949/4

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lol why did I just get Twilight vibes?

I see what you mean Fortunesque, I always really liked Tali as her own character. To my Shep she's like a little sister or younger counsin growing up and coming into her own in ME2, but shaggable?

Nah! If I were a guy I'd feel a bit pervish, same feeling as I had with the Liara romance in ME1. *shudders* I love Liara too, but again as someone to have under your wing, and nothing else.
:innocent: The way these two were portrayed just screamed "I am young and innocent and I *heart* you! Take me now!"
lol...

edit: got wrong person, doh!

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solvill wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan.


But why Kaidan he's a femShep LI ??
maybe they feel threaten??:)


Forgive me if some of you think this is a crass thing to say but I chalk it up to penis envy. 

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solvill wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan.


But why Kaidan he's a femShep LI ??
maybe they feel threaten??:)


It's a guy thing. They're less likely to like another guy, especially a male lead that doesn't go around yelling, "I AM MAN!"

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fortunesque wrote...

Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan. And as a female gamer, I get extremely frustrated at these insipid, nose picking pricks that have nothing better to do with their lives than to constantly parrot the same **** over and over again. Can any of these people hold an intellectual conversation without simply rephrasing their sentences every time they try to make their argument?

Nope. It's just "hips" and "she's so cute".

Tali is a Mary Sue. She has no flaws, other than stammering when she's nervous and caring too much for other people. She has an environmental suit that makes her even more endearing because it's a handicap. Those are classic Sueish qualities that I often saw in OCs in poorly written fanfic.

So, imo, she is a poor character that lacks confilct. I absolutely GAG on the sugarey sweetness of her character.

/end rant.


Hehe, let it out, it's good for the soul

I think the fact that they can't hold an intellectual conversation is where the problem lies because they seem to repeat the same illogical arguments and are unable to accept any critisism and even acknowledge that maybe someone has a point.  Now this is not true of all of them but certainly one or two spring to mind.

As a fairly openminded group we discuss mistakes that Kaidan has made, we may justify them with an 'I know where he was coming from', but because of their zeal they interpret this as we think Kaidan can do no wrong.  Hence the animosity.

In conclusion the people whom I refer to can best be described as retards whom deserve not our attention but our pity for they will never be able to function in the real world.

Harsh but true.

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fortunesque wrote...

Gigantic rant. Skip if you are not inclined to read rants:

Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan. And as a female gamer, I get extremely frustrated at these insipid, nose picking pricks that have nothing better to do with their lives than to constantly parrot the same **** over and over again. Can any of these people hold an intellectual conversation without simply rephrasing their sentences every time they try to make their argument?

Nope. It's just "hips" and "she's so cute".

Tali is a Mary Sue. She has no flaws, other than stammering when she's nervous and caring too much for other people. She has an environmental suit that makes her even more endearing because it's a handicap. Those are classic Sueish qualities that I often saw in OCs in poorly written fanfic.

So, imo, she is a poor character that lacks confilct. I absolutely GAG on the sugarey sweetness of her character.

/end rant.


Rant away...you have a right...they do indeed seem to target Kaidan. I hope when she finally rips that mask off it causes all the little fanboys to run screaming back to their mothers.

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I like Tali. I don't think of her as a Mary Sue. She has daddy issues like Miranda does. There are really high expectations of her on the flotilla.



But I agree that a lot of the Talimob hates Kaiden. Its funny, most guys hate Kaiden. Most guys hate whomever is the female PC LI(s). This seems to be a universal constant. Its like they can't respect a man who is not as manly as their PC, but can't realize that they need the not as manly to make their PC the hero. They would prefer a harem to actual squad mates.

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

Looks like Deltaboy and Cutlass Jack are going at it over on the actual survey thread...BECC4 is over there too:

If anyone wants to take a peak:

http://social.biowar...index/1159949/4


lol bored now, anymore nekkid Kaidan floating about?

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BECC4 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Looks like Deltaboy and Cutlass Jack are going at it over on the actual survey thread...BECC4 is over there too:

If anyone wants to take a peak:

http://social.biowar...index/1159949/4


lol bored now, anymore nekkid Kaidan floating about?


We need something cheerful thats for sure.

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Isaantia wrote...

I like Tali. I don't think of her as a Mary Sue. She has daddy issues like Miranda does. There are really high expectations of her on the flotilla.

But I agree that a lot of the Talimob hates Kaiden. Its funny, most guys hate Kaiden. Most guys hate whomever is the female PC LI(s). This seems to be a universal constant. Its like they can't respect a man who is not as manly as their PC, but can't realize that they need the not as manly to make their PC the hero. They would prefer a harem to actual squad mates.


This is not entirely true, Alistair was completely awesome.

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ComTrav wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

I like Tali. I don't think of her as a Mary Sue. She has daddy issues like Miranda does. There are really high expectations of her on the flotilla.

But I agree that a lot of the Talimob hates Kaiden. Its funny, most guys hate Kaiden. Most guys hate whomever is the female PC LI(s). This seems to be a universal constant. Its like they can't respect a man who is not as manly as their PC, but can't realize that they need the not as manly to make their PC the hero. They would prefer a harem to actual squad mates.


This is not entirely true, Alistair was completely awesome.


That's why they cried about him, they thought it felt like Alistair's story instead of their PC's story.

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ComTrav wrote...
This is not entirely true, Alistair was completely awesome.


I wholeheartedly agree, Alistair was awesome but he got a lot of hate, particularly I would say almost entirely from men. 

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Earlier I think someone was speculating as to what kind of underwear Kaidan would wear, if any...

I was out shopping today and happened by the men's section of the store...and for some reason I've now got it in my head that if Kaidan were to wear undies, they'd be those tight boxer briefs, perhaps either in a solid or a camo print...ooh :wub::D

You know, my mind was out of the gutter for like, four hours and you just had to go there.  Now, true I was asleep the past four hours but....

What I miss?  Oh, our 100th page.  Sad now.:crying:

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ComTrav wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

I like Tali. I don't think of her as a Mary Sue. She has daddy issues like Miranda does. There are really high expectations of her on the flotilla.

But I agree that a lot of the Talimob hates Kaiden. Its funny, most guys hate Kaiden. Most guys hate whomever is the female PC LI(s). This seems to be a universal constant. Its like they can't respect a man who is not as manly as their PC, but can't realize that they need the not as manly to make their PC the hero. They would prefer a harem to actual squad mates.


This is not entirely true, Alistair was completely awesome.


She said most guys not all guys.

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fortunesque wrote...
Honestly, I see a lot of animosity from the Talimob toward Kaidan. And as a female gamer, I get extremely frustrated at these insipid, nose picking pricks that have nothing better to do with their lives than to constantly parrot the same **** over and over again. Can any of these people hold an intellectual conversation without simply rephrasing their sentences every time they try to make their argument?


I've been deliberately avoiding most other threads on here because of this. It's a shame because I do believe wholeheartedly that there's quite a few decent, mature and intelligent gamers here (both male and female) that post, but they often get overshadowed and overshouted by those with small minds and way too much time on their hands.

I like Tali as a character for the most part, but I do find her well...not all that interesting overall.

I think and this is just my opinion and likely a huge generalization at that, but part of the lure for some for Tali is that she is non threatening and sugary sweet...and then you add in the whole mystery under the helmet thing and you got a whole lot of fanboys foaming at the mouth...I think some consider Tali as the type that would bring them their slippers and gush and giggle over how bloody "manly" they are and some guys out there (especially those that lack serious experience with women) are really into that sort of thing...it's an ego trip plain and simple methinks.

When it comes to the Kaidan hate thing, I firmly believe that most of that comes from well...insecurity and conflicting messages about gender roles. They see a guy in a game who is not burping the start spangled banner, hitting everyone over the head with his giantic (usually overcompensating for something here) weapon, scratching himself and hitting on everything with a pair of boobs and a pulse and for them that just automatically equates to boring and wuss-like.

And let's face it Kaidan is a man who exhibits both shyness/nervousness/emotion around the woman he's attracted to and for those who fancy themselves suave cassanova ladies man types (whether they actually are or not is debatable), that just equals weakness right there.

I think that there is a large percentage of the male population (especially the younger lads) that are convinced women go ga ga over the bad boy/loudmouthed jerk/player types and when they see evidence to the contrary (and there's usually lots of that, especially when they actuallly ya' know TALK to women), it just boggles their minds and sends them in to testosterone overload.

I've got no real beef with those who don't care for Kaidan, I suppose it is their progetive, I do take offense at how some of them express it though......it just seems really silly and senseless to me. I'm not all that fond of Miranda to be honest with you, there's just something about her that I don't like but I'm not ranting and raving and taking apart her character, I just don't really talk about her...

I like Kaidan's character a lot, oh hell I LOVE Kaidan's character a lot....and I am attracted to men in "real life" who exhibit similar qualities to our favorite L2...

Ah, Also and this is just a theory that I'm throwing out there and again stressing that this is just my opinion....I think there has been a huge rise in numbers of female gamers over the past decade. For quite some time, the video game realm was largely dominated by male players and thus most games were geared towards such. But since we ladies have taken our seat at the gaming table and devs have started to notice and create characters and game scenarios (especially the ability to play as female) that cater to us, maybe there is some resentment from some of the guys that we are encroaching into their territory?

Oh hell, get used to it boys...we are here and we want more Kaidan and character's like him...:D