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[Ha-P]

So, it took me 4 days to get through this entire thread, but I finally made it and I am happy I did. I now know that I am not alone in this world! I should have kept a list of things I wanted to say while reading this, but I didn't. This will probably be long because I have a lot to say about my Mass Effect world, but I will try not to ramble...Yes, I am obsessed. This is my story.



I got jealous about 2 years ago when my husband was playing Mass Effect. At that time we only had 1 xbox and I would sit around and watch him play. I loved that he could talk to people and really make the game play how he wanted to. I wouldn't let him anywhere near Liara because she was blue, had funny hair, and well, she was an alien and I didn't want him thinking about making me dress up like one. I liked Ash much better for him. After watching him drive around planets for hours looking for random sites, I started to think about all of the things I would do different, so naturally I had to play. Big mistake!!! I started playing as the female Shep, because, hello, I am a girl, and it was awesome



I will admit, playing as the female Shep, I was a little disappointed I didn't get to watch the male Shep anymore, because I really did think he was hot...I know crazy right. I don't remember when exactly it clicked, but I remember thinking, okay, I want Kaidan!!! My crew was my soldier chic Shep, Kaidan and Ash. I was a happy happy girl, until Virmire. I tried reloading over and over and over again so I wouldn't have to kill Ash, but in the end I had no choice, because there was no way I was going to blow up my Kaidan! It really did break my heart to leave Ash, but Kaidan helped me move on. I was happy that he was there for me when I needed it too...and before Ilos, well, we all will never forget that night I played the first one a good 8 or 9 times, all of them with Kaidan except for 1 when I had to try playing the male Shep. I don't think I found the view point until the 4th or 5th time through. That part was so damn cute too!!!



So anyway, ME2...I didn't want any spoilers, so I stopped watching trailers and looking for articles before Christmas. I started playing on my xbox (because we have 2 now) on the 26th ( I am a horrible mom for playing video games ALL DAY on my sons 2nd birthday) and I got all excited when I saw him running through the ship. I was like, OMG, it is Kaidan, YAY! I really had a bad feeling about making him take the crew to the escape shuttles, but I knew it was the right thing to do. So I go save Joker and get spaced. WELL CRAP! So, when I wake up 2 years later and I want my crew back. I tried talking to everyone to find them, and I mean everyone. I am pretty sure I spent a good 4 hours talking to people, flying around, trying to see where they all were. Nothing...great. So I start doing all of these missions, already upset that I can't find my Kaidan and come across a blue suited Turian. I was so freaking excited to see Garrus!!! I liked him in the first one and all, but he was no where near how much I was attached to Kaidan and Ash. So now I have some hope, right?



Horizon. Oh my freaking gosh. I was sooooooo happy! Then I saw him talking with Lilith and I was like, um who the frak are you and why are you looking at my Kaidan like that?!?! Fast forward, Kaidan gets attacked by a robot spider/hummingbird and freezes. My heart froze and I started to cry. So now I am really upset with these bug aliens and I am going to kill them all. Fight fight fight, kill the flying shuttle bug, cut scene. I thought I was going to have a heart attack when Kaidan comes strutting around the corner talking about me. My heart melted...seriously...flushing, butterflys, everything. Then comes Sheps horrible lines to chose from, and I was like, NOOOO that is so not what I need to say!!! Needless to say I go from being all warm and melty to pissed and angry in about 10 seconds. I was so upset when he left that I had to text my husband at work to tell him about the emotional rollercoaster the game put me through in about a 25 minute period. Naturally, the boys at his work ( I call them boys, but they are 25-36) were all laughing at me again for getting all worked up over a video game (they teased me for days when I told them about killing off the Rachni when I was trying to play my all renegade Shep in the first one).



After calming down, I went back to see Anderson and got all mad again that he knew about everything, and felt betrayed by him too. What are these people trying to do to me? So now, the email. I had hope. I didn't think I was going to have hope, but I did. I wanted to message him back, but I couldn't. Well, that can't be the end of it. There has to be more coming. I don't know how many times I went to my room and read that stupid email and looked at the photo of him, over and over and over again. You think my fish might have stayed alive, but I always forgot to feed them too. So I am getting my little Kaidan fix, but there is no way that is how they are leaving it. There has to be more. Fast forward to Omega 4 jump. Again, sitting alone in my room and we get to sit there and think about Kaidan. Why isn't he here?????!? What is he doing?!?!? I need to fix this!!!!!!! So, we go and fight and kill the Reaper and tell TIM to stick it. I want my Kaidan back already!!! Isn't saving the universe, twice now, good enough? COME ON BIOWARE!!! Give me my Kaidan back already!!!



I am on my 4th run through now. My husband finished his 1st today. I am an achievement ****, so I had to try the romances. Why I didn't think about just using a male Shep until it was too late, I have no idea. The thought of talking to Jacob seriously made me nauseous. I stomached my way through it and what a horrible freaking scene. I felt so dirty I really had to take a shower, and not in the good way! So on my 3rd time I tried Thane. It was better, I didn't feel dirty, but I still felt guilty as hell for cheating on Kaidan. Yes, I felt like I was cheating on Kaidan. Yes, I feel horrible about cheating on Kaidan, but I had to try. I didn't even think about watching what happens on You Tube until yesterday! I could have saved myself so much heart ache! Garrus would have been the natural choice, seeing as how I was so attached to him this time around, but I couldn't bring myself to tell him I would blow off some steam with him, in the none sparring capacity. He is like a big brother, the way Tali is like a little sister!!! The original crew was like my family...except for Kaidan, he was way more. So yeah...Kaidan rocks and I support him!!! Rambling, Sorry, it is almost 2am.



Quick side notes, all the Kaidan pictures are freaking awesome, Winde, your drawings make me smile, and the only fanfic I was able to read so far was It Meant Everything, and it made me cry. Awesome work ladies, and the few dudes in here, you rock!!!

[BECC4]

Well said Ha-P, this thread makes me glad I'm not the only one going through emotional turmoil, not because I want others to suffer but because we all understand each other! (and it means I'm not crazy!)

[elirian_19]

I don't usually do this (I'm a lurker at heart) but I thought I would add to the thread and share in the love for our favourite lieutenant. Ahem, I mean commander.

I apologize in advance – this turned out to be longer than I expected. Just tell me to shut up. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

In the days before ME2's release I was very, very nervous. I'd read that he would be in the game, but so far I hadn't seen anything of him. I then, of course, saw Kaidan's picture along with a little information blurb on the main website and my little heart did its little dance, and I proceeded to make a nuisance of myself to my friends and family while I waited for launch date to arrive.

Launch date eventually came (the CE I'd pre-ordered was delayed and living with me became unbearable). I popped the disc in and immediately loaded up my 'canon' character. I, or rather my Shep, asked questions about Kaidan whenever she could and we were both annoyed as all hell when all we got in return were annoying vague answers. Then TIM sent us on our way to Horizon where we knew Kaidan was stationed and my Shep fought like a demon because there was just no way that those buggy things were going to get their hands or whatever on her Kaidan. He thankfully avoided the Collectors and I think I squealed at my screen when he hugged my Shep, but unfortunately all the joy my Shep and I felt faded with the conversation that then took place.

To say I was angry as all hell would be an understatement. I remember arguing at my screen, shouting profanities at Kaidan while my Shep stood there and said the lamest things she could possibly have said ("Hey, how are you? It's been a long time" and "It's been two years, you've moved on" = wtf???). I was still fuming when we got back to the Normandy, and the first thing I thought was, "screw this, I'm romancing Thane". I swore to myself that I would forget all about Kaidan and if he wanted to be a jerk then so be it. Those plans didn't last very.

I'd be lying if I said that I never expected to get a message from him, but the reaction I had was something I didn't expect. All the anger I had brimming inside me just vanished and I took the time to see where he was coming from. Kaidan's a really good guy and he gives all of himself whether he really knows it or not. Despite his words in ME1 about not wanting to muddy things and leaving a way out, I knew Kaidan was mine from the moment
he slipped up at the wards. So, you know, what exactly had my Shep's death done to him? I don't see Kaidan as someone who would just give up and stop living, but it must have been one hell of a battle to keep on moving
forward.

I stayed true to Kaidan and I will admit that it wasn't always easy, but I think that's what's going to make it so worthwhile in the end.

I love Thane, and I adore Garrus (I'll admit that I romanced both of them, but with characters who never romanced Kaidan and boy was it hard to stay away from him) and I'm still waiting for a Joker romance, but Kaidan will always be my guy. Of all of them, he will always be the first one I would choose. He'll always be the one my 'canon' Shep thinks of when she's out there saving the galaxy.

I would have liked to see more of Kaidan in ME2, but I will say kudos to Bioware for letting me experience the joy of seeing the love of my Shep's life again, the anger and bitterness of misunderstanding and loss, the peace of acceptance and the tentative hope that everything will turn out fine in the end. It's not every game or fictional characters that can make me feel even half of those things.

So what's waiting for? I have no idea. I don't think it's going to be sunshine and roses whether you cheated or not, but I definitely can't wait.

I'll climb off of my soapbox now... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

(On a side note: I apologize if this has been mentioned before. I know Shepard's not technically part of the Alliance military anymore, but Kaidan's rank now being Staff Commander means that he now outranks Shepard. I can't help but find that very amusing.)

Edit: And I apologize for the layout, but the text field seems to break with me.

Modifié par elirian_19, 15 février 2010 - 10:38 .

[Aviena]

Maybe we -are- crazy. We're just sharing the same delusions. Folie à plusieurs?
Kaiden fans unite!

[Jhourney]

Great to read the above stories, pretty much describes what I went through the moment I shoved my ME2 disc into the xbox. Yes Bioware, in a way, did a great job at evoking emotions with the Horizon scene and while part of me wanted to yell at Kaidan for being as stubborn as that damn hair of his, I found myself screaming at Shepard in the end for HER words. The dialogue could, should and needed to be a lot better.



Part of me wonders if our bittersweet feelings would be this strong if they did give us more in ME2 and yet I wished they had given us more to go on. Like we've said so many times already, his presence throughout the game was sorely missed and could have been better even without him being physically there. Being able to chose a reply to his mail on the dialogue wheel would have been so much more satisfying and it's the lack of those details that I miss.



I can't believe, just can't, that the moment you're ready to hit the Omega Relay there's no word from Kaidan or the Alliance for that matter or even your friends from ME1 or your mother (if you're a spacer). YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE AGAIN! And yet here Shepard is, all alone in her cabin, staring at the man she loves so dearly. Yes the impact was there, but to me it's just not logical there are no messages at all for you.

So I am going to assume Cerberus has filtered them out of the system, I can totally see TIM doing that, so Shepard stays focused on the job at hand. Just to make myself feel a bit better

[elirian_19]

I've wondered the same thing. Oriana's message implies that Miranda reads your messages, so it's plausible that the ones that could pull your attention away from the mission were screened.



And I very much agree that Shepard's dialogue options on Horizon were abysmal. They really could have worked a little harder on that.

[BECC4]

Yes! I too thought this!



But tbh I think it's Kelly who's the mole, that would hit a few people hard ;-)



I'm suprised they even let you have the Horizon mail, maybe Cerb thought it was enough like a break-up to let us have that one thing.

[Jhourney]

Took Lunarion's pic from the society and a Jacob one from some random thread to create a quick  "How it should have been" :



Wish I could take screens from the xbox and do a proper job with my own Shep *sob*

Modifié par Jhosephine, 15 février 2010 - 12:02 .

[MICHELLE7]

fortunesque wrote...

Lol. My brother was the same way about Miranda.
Then I told him that her ass looks just like his creepy, clingy ex's ass, and I may have ruined it for him...

For some reason this comment makes me smile.

[BECC4]

Jhosephine wrote...

Took Lunarion's pic from the society and a Jacob one from some random thread to create a quick  "How it should have been" :



Wish I could take screens from the xbox and do a proper job with my own Shep *sob*

 Now I miss him even more!!

[Jhourney]

Same here, Becc, same here...

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

I think your last save of ME2 will be all important to how things work out between Shepard and Kaidan. The romance will only be active IF you didn't cheat, meaning his picture HAS to be upright at the end. I also believe that if you didn't destroy the Collector base, it will influence what happens as well. Because it basically gives the reigns to the verse to Cerberus.

It's quite possible that they will have one storyline as to how all the romances will end(for scripting reasons). Whoever your LI is(ME1 or ME2) will simply be the one plugged into the storyline.

However, if they do something like that I hope they vary the dialog to fit each character and that there will at least be a different storyline for both the renegade and paragon options. And different love scenes for them as well.

I also hope that something like that wouldn't affect the possibility of us having Kai Kai back as a squaddie. Lot of pople say it wouldn't be fair to have Kaidan/Ash and Liara back as squad mates for ME3 if the ME2's couldn't come back but Tali and Garrus at the least have been on the squad's twice. I think ME3 should be our turn.

[MICHELLE7]

PopDisaster wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

What does strike me as odd is how easy it is to complete a romance and then shut it down at the end or in a newgame+. I wonder how that will work out. Get a taste of some forbidden fruit, shut it down once you had it and you're home free? I sure hope not. Which could possibly be what Bioware's statement about "monitoring dialogues" is about as well.

Oh well, goodmorning all

Monitoring dialogues? I heard something about them following the paramour achievement, but nothing about dialogues... not that I'm worried or anything... I turned everyone down as flatly and coldly as I could... but I when I heard they were trying to see "who cheated" I was curious as to how they would do it. Was something posted/released that explained it?

Someone on another thread said something about it. It might have been in an article about a lot of games starting to do that sort of thing(really can't remember).

It's probably nothing more than some sort of counter where the program counts how many times that particular line is chosen.

I guess it could be used to gage how many people actually liked certain romances and continued to choose the same lines over and over again on multiple playthroughs or whether or not those lines were only chosen on one playthrough and it was obvious that the player was just trying out the romance and didn't really see it as interesting enough to do again...but I'm just guessing here...really couldn't say as to why they would do it.

[MICHELLE7]

Ha-P wrote...

Horizon. Oh my freaking gosh. I was sooooooo happy! Then I saw him talking with Lilith and I was like, um who the frak are you and why are you looking at my Kaidan like that?!?! Fast forward, Kaidan gets attacked by a robot spider/hummingbird and freezes. My heart froze and I started to cry. So now I am really upset with these bug aliens and I am going to kill them all. Fight fight fight, kill the flying shuttle bug, cut scene. I thought I was going to have a heart attack when Kaidan comes strutting around the corner talking about me. My heart melted...seriously...flushing, butterflys, everything. Then comes Sheps horrible lines to chose from, and I was like, NOOOO that is so not what I need to say!!! Needless to say I go from being all warm and melty to pissed and angry in about 10 seconds. I was so upset when he left that I had to text my husband at work to tell him about the emotional rollercoaster the game put me through in about a 25 minute period. Naturally, the boys at his work ( I call them boys, but they are 25-36) were all laughing at me again for getting all worked up over a video game (they teased me for days when I told them about killing off the Rachni when I was trying to play my all renegade Shep in the first one).

:lol:Yeah, I think that scene with Lilith rattled a lot of us. And your emotional response to what happened with Kaidan is the very reason that I read the spoilers and watched the streams right up to the release. I wanted to be prepared. I really don't think I could have handled it if I hadn't know what was coming...yeah I'm that big of a sap.

As for the achievements...I got everyone of them in ME but I'm not even going to try for them in ME2...no way can I cheat on my Kai Kai...and yes I would feel like I was cheating even if I played it as a Maleshep but then that's just me.

Anyway I applaud your dedication to reading the thread...Welcome.

[MICHELLE7]

elirian_19 wrote...

I'd be lying if I said that I never expected to get a message from him, but the reaction I had was something I didn't expect. All the anger I had brimming inside me just vanished and I took the time to see where he was coming from. Kaidan's a really good guy and he gives all of himself whether he really knows it or not. Despite his words in ME1 about not wanting to muddy things and leaving a way out, I knew Kaidan was mine from the moment
he slipped up at the wards. So, you know, what exactly had my Shep's death done to him? I don't see Kaidan as someone who would just give up and stop living, but it must have been one hell of a battle to keep on moving
forward.

Glad to see that you took his character into consideration when reading his email...some people didn't. Anyway, Welcome...glad to see more Kaidan fans.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 15 février 2010 - 01:08 .

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

Took Lunarion's pic from the society and a Jacob one from some random thread to create a quick  "How it should have been" :



Wish I could take screens from the xbox and do a proper job with my own Shep *sob*

So that's Jacobs body...I think the picture is sweet and all and you did an excellent job with it but I really prefer Kaidan's body. I like guys to be fit but I'm not too much into the overly muscled type.

I think shirtless Kaidan is fit enough. 

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 15 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[SweetiePea]

It's nice to see some new faces in the thread. Let's just keep spreadin' the Kaidan love!



I was also really annoyed with my dialog options as Shep. I don't blame Kaidan for the encounter on Horizon and, in fact, I really respect him for standing up for his beliefs. However, my Shep is incredibly, incredibly lame. I mean, I always saw her as something of a tough chick, but I felt like she was completely heartless in ME2. Not only did she have the lame, lame, lame dialog with Kaidan on Horizon, she couldn't/didn't send him a message at any point--even before she took off on her "suicide" mission, and she didn't contact her own mother to tell her that she was alive! When I got that message from her mom, the full lameness of my Shep was really brought forth. Come on, girl!



So please, devs, don't make my Shep be such an idiot in ME3. I really resent that, as Shep is the first PC who's kinda been my hero. That may sound lame, but I just love that she's tough and confident. She gets the job done and she takes responsibility for her mistakes. Yet, in ME1, she also had a tender side. Did Cerberus remember to rebuild everything but her common sense? Honestly...

[MICHELLE7]

SweetiePea wrote...

It's nice to see some new faces in the thread. Let's just keep spreadin' the Kaidan love!

I was also really annoyed with my dialog options as Shep. I don't blame Kaidan for the encounter on Horizon and, in fact, I really respect him for standing up for his beliefs. However, my Shep is incredibly, incredibly lame. I mean, I always saw her as something of a tough chick, but I felt like she was completely heartless in ME2. Not only did she have the lame, lame, lame dialog with Kaidan on Horizon, she couldn't/didn't send him a message at any point--even before she took off on her "suicide" mission, and she didn't contact her own mother to tell her that she was alive! When I got that message from her mom, the full lameness of my Shep was really brought forth. Come on, girl!

So please, devs, don't make my Shep be such an idiot in ME3. I really resent that, as Shep is the first PC who's kinda been my hero. That may sound lame, but I just love that she's tough and confident. She gets the job done and she takes responsibility for her mistakes. Yet, in ME1, she also had a tender side. Did Cerberus remember to rebuild everything but her common sense? Honestly...

This

I felt like the Shep I knew in ME was replaced with someone else. Made me wonder if Cerberus really brought back the real Shep or not.

[Jhourney]

SweetiePea wrote...

So please, devs, don't make my Shep be such an idiot in ME3. I really resent that, as Shep is the first PC who's kinda been my hero. That may sound lame, but I just love that she's tough and confident. She gets the job done and she takes responsibility for her mistakes. Yet, in ME1, she also had a tender side. Did Cerberus remember to rebuild everything but her common sense? Honestly...

Love Shepard as a character but in ME2 there were times I wanted to smack some sense into her, as if Cerberus fused a few of the wrong wires. Never been as annoyed with my own character as I was with Shepard on Horizon.

[chem light]

Jhosephine wrote...

Took Lunarion's pic from the society and a Jacob one from some random thread to create a quick  "How it should have been" :



Wish I could take screens from the xbox and do a proper job with my own Shep *sob*

GOOOD MORNING!

 And that looks just like my Shep.   YAY!

[WilliamShatner]

As much as I support all the original crew, Kaidan was the logical choice to Virmire. You know this to be true.

[Jhourney]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

So that's Jacobs body...I think the picture is sweet and all and you did an excellent job with it but I really prefer Kaidan's body. I like guys to be fit but I'm not too much into the overly muscled type.

I think shirtless Kaidan is fit enough.

Totally agree, Jacob is too much.


There more focus on their happy, peaceful faces.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

So that's Jacobs body...I think the picture is sweet and all and you did an excellent job with it but I really prefer Kaidan's body. I like guys to be fit but I'm not too much into the overly muscled type.

I think shirtless Kaidan is fit enough.

Totally agree, Jacob is too much.


There more focus on their happy, peaceful faces.

I'll say this though...you've got some skill...can't even tell that it couldn't be Kaidan...wish we could have had a scene like that for him and Shep in ME2. 

[chem light]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

So that's Jacobs body...I think the picture is sweet and all and you did an excellent job with it but I really prefer Kaidan's body. I like guys to be fit but I'm not too much into the overly muscled type.

I think shirtless Kaidan is fit enough.

Totally agree, Jacob is too much.


There more focus on their happy, peaceful faces.

I'll say this though...you've got some skill...can't even tell that it couldn't be Kaidan...wish we could have had a scene like that for him and Shep in ME2. 

Yeah, I will admit to checking my messages, checking every square inch of the citadel, and even pestering Capt Anderson (who apparentyl didn't get the memo about me saving the univers...again) all in a vain attempt to find my Kai Kai.  I mean EVERY other love interest gets to call  their boy toy up to their room.  I was like, oh sweet.  Maybe I can get, ya know, someting.  Vidmail.  Whereabouts.  Memento of the relationship.

SOMETHING!

[brecon5372]

Rock on Kaiden!