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[Cypher0020]

I still don't get the how they'll know if you're cheating or not.



Unless Shepard openly brags about it... and if so... can't you be forgiven?



I mean.. think of the circumstances!





Maaan... Kaidan would really freak

[Tasmen]

KealaFerret wrote...
I guess it's probably not even cheating, given the situation, but the game considers it such so yeah.

That's the thing that bugs me a great deal.  It isn't cheating.  He pretty much breaks up with you.  And at a minimum, you are probably on a 'break'.  

[ComTrav]

Anastassia wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

has anyone turned him renegede? I heard it was possible

This, does it carry oner.  Oh, well we probably won't find out until Me3

Well, what you did with Garrus didn't actually carry over into ME2. You could make hm paragon or rengade, and either way he ends up (technically) renegade.

Not entirely true--his atittude towards killing Sidonis is different if you turned him Renegade. (He refers to Shepard as inspiration.) And going Paragon on Garrus's loyalty quest feels more powerful if you tried to turn him Paragon before (DID YOU LEARN NOTHING I TAUGHT YOU, GARRUS?)

Ash still seems to have her throwaway line about not liking aliens, though.

[Cypher0020]

what about the dating period? Did anyone talk to Joker or Kelly about Shepard/Kelly going out?



from the end of ME1 to the start of ME2 is only a month or so right?



They only had a month together before Shepard was killed in the attack?



Or am I wrong on the dates?

[Mox Ruuga]

Taritu wrote...

Didn't romance him, but I always like him a lot. Person with his head screwed on right on Normandy I, calm, collected and trustworthy.

Agreed.

I did romance him with one of my FemSheps. All around good guy.

Would have pegged him for the first officer slot of the Normandy... Perhaps, if he and Miranda both return, we'll see some infighting from the on who gets to be the XO?  Wouldn't mind Kaidan ending up with her, actually, in the playthroughs where she isn't Shepard's LI. I think they might have interesting interactions. They'd have to agree not to argue about politics, tho...

[KealaFerret]

Tasmen wrote...

KealaFerret wrote...
I guess it's probably not even cheating, given the situation, but the game considers it such so yeah.

That's the thing that bugs me a great deal.  It isn't cheating.  He pretty much breaks up with you.  And at a minimum, you are probably on a 'break'.  

Maybe we should find a new word for it. "Move on" or something. Or not being loyal. Something.

On the other hand, Kaidan's done nothing but have drinks with a doctor, so he may feel that Shepard should not have done the same. But I really don't think he could blame Shepard for looking elsewhere when he acted the way he did.

Realistically, they weren't together long, but they went through a lot in that time.

[KealaFerret]

Cypher0020 wrote...
They only had a month together before Shepard was killed in the attack?

Watched the intro again last night, and it's about a month, yeah.

[Jhourney]

For a ME3 ending? A proposal for sure, don't have to see Shep in a wedding dress or anything. What I want to see is a scene like the start of ME1 with Shepard staring at Earth from the Normandy, but this time Kaidan holds her and you hear Anderson say that Shepard is unavailable while on her honeymoon or something as he talks to the council

[Sister Spite]

I planned to cheat during my renegade playthrough, but I'm not so sure now. Seriously, the most interesting person my paragon Shep met was Kal'Regaar. Thane bored me with all this religious talk, Jacob - lets not even go there, Garrus is like my brother, thinking about releasing steam with him is.. ewww.



and btw Kaidan with his voice and smile can have any hair he wants!

[Jhourney]

Just got home and decided to run through ME1 again. Dunno just miss that game and the interaction/comments with Kaidan in my squad. Will follow it up with ME2 when I'm done and already know I'm gonna be both excited and disappointed all over again when seeing him in ME2. Can't help myself though and will most likely do it a few times over before ME3 is released

[sapphyreelf]

I would think that if you move on to a ME2 LI, that either you or the ME2 LI spills the beans to the ME1 LI.



I won't be following any of those angles though. I much prefer Kaidan and will wait as patiently as I can for the reunion in ME3.

[Estelindis]

lady winde wrote...

Just an attempt at drawing Kaidan. YAY PRACTICE!

*swoons*  That is... beyond words. 

Oh, man, where to start?  Having waited for two long years to get a conversation, an email, and a photo?

This might sound a tad strange, but in preparation for ME2 I reread all of Sinvraal's excellent ME fanfic.  Her portrayal of Kaidan is deep, broad, sensitive, and filled with wonderful little moments and observations.  Her  Shepard is such a strong woman that I've started to think of her as a second "canon" Shepard for me (alongside my own "official" Shep).  I already loved the characters of the game, but Sinvraal made them for me just as much as the Bioware writers.  Now, having played ME2 and being largely Kaidan-deprived, all I can say is that Bioware have made it very easy to roleplay poor Shep.  She is Kaidan-deprived too!

Regarding what actually happened in the game, as opposed to the scarcity of it: Horizon was really painful, as much because Shepard seemed rather emotionless as because Kaidan accused her of betraying him.  Considering that, from Shepard's point of view, she hadn't know whether Kaidan was dead, alive, or taken by the Collectors until he appeared just then, she barely reacted at all!

As for the email, it totally took me by surprise.  Was not expecting it at all.  And it was really sweet.  Did a great job of explaining what Kaidan had gone through and where he was coming from.

Now... two more long years to wait.    It is going to be so difficult!  I guess that's just what we get for playing Bioware's awesomely involving RPGs...

Modifié par Estelindis, 05 février 2010 - 12:36 .

[syllogi]

I had prepared myself for the possibility that Thane or Jacob could sway me from being faithful to Kaidan, but now...nah. I just hope Bioware is paying attention...there are still Kaidan romance fans, even after Horizon, because we hope for a great resolution in ME3. Please don't let us down!!!

[MICHELLE7]

Cypher0020 wrote...

I still don't get the how they'll know if you're cheating or not.

Unless Shepard openly brags about it... and if so... can't you be forgiven?

I mean.. think of the circumstances!


Maaan... Kaidan would really freak

It's possible that Joker could spill the beans...he does know everything that goes on in the ship and with EDI he could probably know more.

I kinda like the idea of engagement or marriage at the end of ME3...one of my favorite fanfics is by an author named Harpansword...you can find it here:

http://www.fanfictio...1/After_The_End

It's a story more about what happens after the end of ME but the Shenko relationship is just priceless and the little bit at the end where the council and everyone in attendance finds out about  their relationship had my heart soaring. They even have a little boy in it. I would love something along those lines even though I think the kid thing would be a bit much to ask from Bioware...it was a great fanfic though.

[Estelindis]

I'm sure Bioware is paying attention. It all depends on what the fans actually say.

For my part, I think Bioware may be surprised at how many FemSheps remained true to Kaidan. I've been scanning threads and polls for an indication of percentages, and it seems like more people stayed loyal than cheated. I think Bioware was expecting the opposite.

Mind you, they had every right to do so. They put some very tempting love interests into ME2! But they may have underestimated how much we already liked Kaidan (which is fair enough, because many male players are quite vocal in not caring for him).

Modifié par Estelindis, 05 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[MICHELLE7]

Tasmen wrote...

KealaFerret wrote...
I guess it's probably not even cheating, given the situation, but the game considers it such so yeah.

That's the thing that bugs me a great deal.  It isn't cheating.  He pretty much breaks up with you.  And at a minimum, you are probably on a 'break'.  

The argument on Horizon is really too vague to say it was a break up...there really isn't any closure at all...it's more like a lover's quarrel. People were not given the option to say it was over to him and he really didn't say that he and Femshep were through...like I said vague...areas of gray.

However...and I haven't tried this option because I'm a loyalist...in the conversation with Kelly afterwards where you can tell her if you still care about Kaidan or not you have the option of saying no...it might be that if you pick that option and then reaffirm it to Joker with the right response the pic might be turned down on your desk.(or missing altogether). I'm always trying to make sure my pic is upright so I don't know if this would work...but if it does it might be an in game way of making clean break without cheating. Just an idea if anyone wants to try it out to see if it works.

[Jhourney]

Estelindis wrote...

I'm sure Bioware is paying attention. It all depends on what the fans actually say.

For my part, I think Bioware may be surprised at how many FemSheps remained true to Kaidan. I've been scanning threads and polls for an indication of percentages, and it seems like more people stayed loyal than cheated. I think Bioware was expecting the opposite.

Mind you, they had every right to do so. They put some very tempting love interests into ME2! But they may have underestimated how much we already liked Kaidan (which is fair enough, because many male players are quite vocal in not caring for him).

I wonder how Bioware can effectively check who remained loyal though and even if they could, would it have any effect on the original LI in ME3 at all?

[MICHELLE7]

Fortunesque posted this in the group forum and I thought it would be good to re-post it here. I found it comforting to see that the Devs like the ME1 characters as much as we do. I disagreed with the discovery part though...I didn't want to discover new characters...I wanted to discover new things about the old characters. Anyway here's the interview.

Best Buy chat with Casey Hudson:

WhisperPiano: By now, we are aware that most of the characters from the first game have been given greatly reduced roles, including the three potential love interests. While the new crew is intriguing, many of us are irked by what appears to be a disregard for the personal subplots through which each of our Shepards' stories were individualized. My question is: wil those of us who choose to have our Shepards remain faithful to one of the original romance options be able to come away as satisfied with the roma...

CaseyH-ME2: WhisperPiano - this is an interesting question that we see a lot. Here's our take...

CaseyH-ME2: While Mass Effect fans have grown to love our characters, you can imagine that after spending years crafting them, we have at least as much of an attachment to them. So it's definitely not a case of the team disregarding player's decisions with them or interest in those characters - in fact, it's the opposite...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

CaseyH-ME2: Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters, you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

CaseyH-ME2: Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts. Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.

CaseyH-ME2: The real challenge is that many people will be unfaithful to their ME1 love interest because the ones in ME2 are really compelling.

Reference

www.forums.bestbuy.com/t5/Gaming/Mass-Effect-2-Live-Chat-Transcript/td-p/89183;jsessionid=0242186FDEA5523A47B19AA47A584084

[Jhourney]

Thanks for posting that Michelle7!



Interesting part though : Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.





Hmm...okay...um...hmm.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

Thanks for posting that Michelle7!

Interesting part though : Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.


Hmm...okay...um...hmm.

I think it's the old boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back concept....in this case Shepard wins Kaidan, loses him, and then wins him back. They did say that something along the lines of it being like the last Indiana Jones movie...and I can't remember for the life of me the reconciliation romance in that...they just said they would do it better than Indiana Jones. 

All the thanks goes to Fortunesque for the info...she did the digging...I just reposted it.

[Eshaye]

The whole 'unfaithful' business irks me, because I know Kaidan just says he had drinks and that should be all, BUT in life if you're going to talk about dalliances and dates had while being apart (broken up or on the dreaded 'break'), very often you'll give a sweeping description and not go into detail to avoid hurt, the fact that he says nothing serious really brings that home to me because if it hadn't been serious he wouldn't have needed to point it out... Not saying he absolutely slept with her, but it's very likely it's still more of a relationship then he lets on, especially considering how much he freaks out on Horizon.

So I think it may have been borderline serious but nothing like what he had with Shep. And if that's not canon, that's how I'll play it regardless, it's been two years and it's not like Kaidan and Shepard were together for years... There's a degree of difference there.

In any case I was going to romance Thane, but turns out his intensity turns emo and it's a little much for Shepard right now, though his philosophy of life and death she really does dig! XD So remaining 'faithful' to Kaidan after all.
:innocent: He better appreciate it!

Modifié par Eshaye, 05 février 2010 - 02:51 .

[Xalena]

+ when he says: blah blah...I am trying to having a life, you know...
Something like that... I was like o.O I mean it is ok that he is trying to have life but somehow that sounded...bad...it sounds bad right? xD
Like he wanted to say; would be better that you stayed dead...
Anyway just passing by and giving support to Kaiden fangirls ^^
peace

[sapphyreelf]

I'm a hopeless romantic, and it comes out in certain characters and my writing. I believe that there are going to be two people who will get together - and no matter how little time they were 'together' - it supercedes anything else. So what that they only really acted on their feelings for a month before Shep's death? Before that they were flirting quite intensely with one another - and there were plenty of signs that Kaidan at least was pining after Shep.



I also think given Kaidan's character that he was just being direct and honest with Shep. He was trying to move on and make a good show of things, but it wasn't serious. I'm not going to get jealous over him trying to rebuild his life when I was dead. I would be jealous if he said that it was serious and that he couldn't just come back to me, but he didn't. He said that he still cared and that after things settled, we could see where we could go. That means the "moving on" has stopped and he's mine if I work for it.



I'll be working my butt off for it ME3.

[Jhourney]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
I think it's the old boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back concept....in this case Shepard wins Kaidan, loses him, and then wins him back. They did say that something along the lines of it being like the last Indiana Jones movie...and I can't remember for the life of me the reconciliation romance in that...they just said they would do it better than Indiana Jones. 

All the thanks goes to Fortunesque for the info...she did the digging...I just reposted it.

Hmm...last Indiana Jones movie eh? Lots of playful bickering, chemistry and a marriage at the end? Sold!

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
I think it's the old boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back concept....in this case Shepard wins Kaidan, loses him, and then wins him back. They did say that something along the lines of it being like the last Indiana Jones movie...and I can't remember for the life of me the reconciliation romance in that...they just said they would do it better than Indiana Jones. 

All the thanks goes to Fortunesque for the info...she did the digging...I just reposted it.

Hmm...last Indiana Jones movie eh? Lots of playful bickering, chemistry and a marriage at the end? Sold!

There was a marriage...I remember seeing the movie but I can't remember anything about the romance...maybe that's why the Dev's said they were going to do it better but that does sound good. I wish ME3 was ready for release...the wait is killing me already.