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[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


  It's the ME1 squadmates turn for exposition and character development, beyond, "Oh, hey Shepard, I have this quest I need to do, it's no biggy, but I will probably die at the end of the game if you don't get to it..."

For me personally I hope they leave the quest background thing out for ME3. I wasn't too impressed with it. I didn't get a sense that the new characters were any more developed than the ME ones...the only difference was that the ME ones told their story instead of going on a quest.

I often found myself simply setting the person aside after the quest and forgetting about them. The only ones I wound up liking were those that I liked at the first...before I did their loyalty quests. 

Same here Michelle. While it was nice to get a bit of background on the characters, because there were so many of them it felt a bit so so to me. I still believe ME2 had too many characters.
Since it was advertised loyalty was all important in ME2 it felt like a chore doing their loyalty quests, which was not how I expected winning their loyalty btw. The vid of Miranda with her tough 'he has to earn MY trust' made me hopeful, but who knew it would take one little quest to win her over.

I want to know more about Kaidan, a lot more, but there must be a more creative way to achieve that.

I agree...there were too many characters. There was a post a while back that said the game played like a shopping list. Win Miranda's loyalty...check...win Jacob's loyalty...check...win Mordin's loyalty...check...etc...take down collectors.  It took a lot of flak but there were quite a few people agreeing with it. 

I kind of wonder if Bioware had a beginning and an ending to the story but really didn't have anything for the middle and just came up with the loyalty quests as a way to pad the middle part of the trilogy. Both Battelstar Galactica and Lost admitted to having endings to the beginning of their stories but that the middle part was fluid...meaning that they padded a lot of the series with filler episodes. That's what this felt like to me.

Of course the loyalty part could also have been a way to stretch the game since the main storyline was so short.

[sesheta255]

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

As long as they don't pull a DAO & make it so that Kaidan has to sleep with someone (other than Shep) to survive.  It was bad enough with Alistair but I don't think I could take it with Kaidan, lol.

[chem light]

Refrence chem light's list of things that will make her go into a berserker rage if they happen in me3

[Celestria129]

sesheta255 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

As long as they don't pull a DAO & make it so that Kaidan has to sleep with someone (other than Shep) to survive.  It was bad enough with Alistair but I don't think I could take it with Kaidan, lol.

That would be my worst nightmare:blush:

[Star]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Star58 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Joandthecuddlies wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

That makes me sad that we won't get to continue our DA:O romances. My poor Cousland sacrified quite a bit to try and salvage a smidgeon of happiness. /pout

Question...Have they said anything about whether it will at least mention that there was or is a relationship with the character you romanced in DAO? Even if you can't romance them? I mean it would be weird if there was absolutely no mention whatsoever.

Yes, David Gaider cleared it up in FAQ - there will be acknowledgement of your romance you just won't be able to actively persue it 

Well at least that's something...if they totally ignored it I'd be concerned about where they were heading.

I live in the area where EA Games in HQ'd. There's been a lot of stuff in our local papers about EA lately (they've been losing $$$).  In an article last Sunday, EA Games head (can't remember his name right now) talked about some of the changes they are making and said that one of the things EA is focused on is getting more content/DLC out on existing games like ME and DA:O while working on additional games in a series. He also said their big push right now is the Star Wars MMORPG which he said would come out "sometime this year."

Also game storylines seem to have become more and more complex, making it difficult to include LI elements in a significant way in DLC or an expansion without impacting the story arc significantly.  I know there's been a lot of fan input on this since Baldur's Gate.  I personally really like to see continuing characters and relationships and am glad to have even a cameo if it means I'll get something more substantial later (although I'm not overjoyed with Kaiden's at the moment!).  And that's what I'd really like to hear: that we will get something more substantial related to our existing LIs in both DA:O and ME!

Thanks for the info...good to know that someone lives in that area and can give a few tidbits now and again. Any idea why EA is losing money...is it just the economy or something in particular? 

I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

The economy appears to be driving the consumer trend. 

Basically EA's CEO says that consumers have been moving towards less expensive, on-line or downloadable games while the videogame industry has had a heavy reliance on what he calls "shrink-wrapped games @ $60 a pop".  He also sthat a 3rd of all games sold these days are 2ndhand.  While he believes there's room for both "shrinkwrapped" and on-line games (he notes that ME2 sold more than 2 million copies in the first few days), overall the consumer focus is on cheap or free downloadable games.

I suspect that's why there's been so much recent emphasis on quick DLC/expansion. If they can capture us while we're still enthusiastic about a game, it's much more likely we'll spend $$$ on it than if they wait.  And because the games are complex -- actual stories/dialog rather than just a couple of simple phrases, grunts and shooting or swordplay -- t;m betting that they can't get them out fast if they have to account for any major complexity in story and on-going characters.

[sesheta255]

I have an ME2 question - its sort of Kaidan related in a roundabout way :



Why did the Alliance (or Admiral Hackett) wait 2 years to retrieve the missing dog tags. They had to have known where the Normany was - they had to pick up the escape pods & also Shep sent a distress beacon, as well as the fact that Joker survived & could have told them exact co-ordinates. Did Hackett know Cerberus was rebuilding Shepard, is he somehow in the loop with Cerberus? Given that the email from Hackett was one of the first ones Shep received & before confirmation that Shep was alive it seems odd that Hackett would have given her the job of retrieving dog tags & placing a monument unless he had inside knowledge of the fact. As the surviving ranking officer, why wasn't Kaidan given this mission? - or was it offered and he knocked it back (I can't see Kaidan doing this - he would have followed orders no matter how hard it would have been for him). I also think Chakwas and/or Joker could be Anderson/Hackett spies - it still seems odd to me that the doctor would leave the alliance and that the Alliance would ground their best pilot.



Okay, probably more than one question, but this has really been bugging me.

[ScaperDeage]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh, I also want to add that I was very perturbed with talking with Thane this time round. I never encouraged him, and always took the middle of the road approach, and he still started calling me Siha. I am not interested in becoming the Normandy's hooker, thankyouverymuchpleasesendcommanderalenkotomyquartersnow.

It didn't really bother me. It could be seen as either a nick name or a pet name depending on how you wish to view the relationship. I personaly see it as having been more of a nick name first type of thing and that you've become good enough friends with him that he felt he could use it instead of just think it.

Modifié par ScaperDeage, 17 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[MICHELLE7]

sesheta255 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

As long as they don't pull a DAO & make it so that Kaidan has to sleep with someone (other than Shep) to survive.  It was bad enough with Alistair but I don't think I could take it with Kaidan, lol.

That would be a nightmare...I couldn't even look at the scene of Morrigan and Alistair...made me so mad...and when she said he wasn't going to hate it as much as he thought...I could have ripped her rooster headed hair out. No...don't want anything like that happening to Kaidan.

[Isaantia]

sesheta255 wrote...

I have an ME2 question - its sort of Kaidan related in a roundabout way :

Why did the Alliance (or Admiral Hackett) wait 2 years to retrieve the missing dog tags. They had to have known where the Normany was - they had to pick up the escape pods & also Shep sent a distress beacon, as well as the fact that Joker survived & could have told them exact co-ordinates. Did Hackett know Cerberus was rebuilding Shepard, is he somehow in the loop with Cerberus? Given that the email from Hackett was one of the first ones Shep received & before confirmation that Shep was alive it seems odd that Hackett would have given her the job of retrieving dog tags & placing a monument unless he had inside knowledge of the fact. As the surviving ranking officer, why wasn't Kaidan given this mission? - or was it offered and he knocked it back (I can't see Kaidan doing this - he would have followed orders no matter how hard it would have been for him). I also think Chakwas and/or Joker could be Anderson/Hackett spies - it still seems odd to me that the doctor would leave the alliance and that the Alliance would ground their best pilot.

Okay, probably more than one question, but this has really been bugging me.

This is something that bothered me too. Why didn't they find your body when they went to pick up the other survivors. Did the shadow broker get there first? I mean, yes you are really far out there in the Terminus - where the Alliance/Council is not welcome - but still.

I suppose its possible another ship picked up the distress and picked up the survivors but even then - the Alliance didn't investigate at all? Were they that afraid of going that deep into the Terminus? After all, Kaidan/Ashley get to Horizon - presumably on an Alliance ship - and thats deep in the Terminus too.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Chakwas is an agent. I doubt Joker would be though. Plus Joker is apparently invincible!

[Badpie]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

As long as they don't pull a DAO & make it so that Kaidan has to sleep with someone (other than Shep) to survive.  It was bad enough with Alistair but I don't think I could take it with Kaidan, lol.

That would be a nightmare...I couldn't even look at the scene of Morrigan and Alistair...made me so mad...and when she said he wasn't going to hate it as much as he thought...I could have ripped her rooster headed hair out. No...don't want anything like that happening to Kaidan.

Poor Alistair.  We popped his man-cherry then pimped him out.  

I gladly took that option.    I don't think there would be any reason to do something like that with Kaidan though.  This isn't some mystical magical world full of demons and dragon pregnancies.

And I'm betting it all that we get our happy ending with our love interests.  Something tells me the Bioware writers are some geeky hopeless romantics.

[MICHELLE7]

Star58 wrote...

The economy appears to be driving the consumer trend. 

Basically EA's CEO says that consumers have been moving towards less expensive, on-line or downloadable games while the videogame industry has had a heavy reliance on what he calls "shrink-wrapped games @ $60 a pop".  He also sthat a 3rd of all games sold these days are 2ndhand.  While he believes there's room for both "shrinkwrapped" and on-line games (he notes that ME2 sold more than 2 million copies in the first few days), overall the consumer focus is on cheap or free downloadable games.

I suspect that's why there's been so much recent emphasis on quick DLC/expansion. If they can capture us while we're still enthusiastic about a game, it's much more likely we'll spend $$$ on it than if they wait.  And because the games are complex -- actual stories/dialog rather than just a couple of simple phrases, grunts and shooting or swordplay -- t;m betting that they can't get them out fast if they have to account for any major complexity in story and on-going characters.

That makes sense

The comment about a 3rd of the games being sold second hand makes me think that the Mass Effect trilogy using our saves to continue the story is a brilliant marketing strategy.  We keep our games instead of putting them up for sale...just in case we need them to make a new save (in case our PC or Xbox goes south). Means less used copies of the games for sale...so people have to buy new...more money for the company.

[Star]

sesheta255 wrote...

I have an ME2 question - its sort of Kaidan related in a roundabout way :

Why did the Alliance (or Admiral Hackett) wait 2 years to retrieve the missing dog tags. They had to have known where the Normany was - they had to pick up the escape pods & also Shep sent a distress beacon, as well as the fact that Joker survived & could have told them exact co-ordinates. Did Hackett know Cerberus was rebuilding Shepard, is he somehow in the loop with Cerberus? Given that the email from Hackett was one of the first ones Shep received & before confirmation that Shep was alive it seems odd that Hackett would have given her the job of retrieving dog tags & placing a monument unless he had inside knowledge of the fact. As the surviving ranking officer, why wasn't Kaidan given this mission? - or was it offered and he knocked it back (I can't see Kaidan doing this - he would have followed orders no matter how hard it would have been for him). I also think Chakwas and/or Joker could be Anderson/Hackett spies - it still seems odd to me that the doctor would leave the alliance and that the Alliance would ground their best pilot.

Okay, probably more than one question, but this has really been bugging me.

This one bothered me too.  Also, I wondered why there doesn't seem to be any sign that the Alliance looked for Shepard's remains; Liara found them and gave them to Cerberus.  Seems like there's some deeper political machinations going on here.  Also, another interesting tidbit -- in my current game, my Shep's background is Spacer and she just received an email from her mother wanting to know why she (mom) had to hear about Shep's revival 3rd hand.  It was interesting because the email didn't really convey a lot of indignation -- just, get in touch with me and stay safe.  ???? 

[Mrs Templar]

Jhosephine wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

I agree about DA:O, but could you imagine ME3 with LIs, friendships, and banter like DA?  That would be mind blowing. 

And despite it being corny and old fashioned and whatever else, I do hope Shepard gets a Happily Ever After ending, with whichever desired romance option people chose.  It really would end the trilogy in a satisfying way and put it at the top of my list of best Bioware franchises ever.

Mindblowing indeed....but...that would make ME3 much more of a RPG than they are planning on I fear. Which wouldn't be a bad thing imo, but could upset the shooter crowd.

But yes, I'm soooo hoping on a Happily Ever After. It's all so dramatic and tragic nowadays.

IMO they took a great RPG in ME1 and made it a *r*PG in ME2.  The role playing is still there, just not nearly as much as in the first.  

[syllogi]

ScaperDeage wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh, I also want to add that I was very perturbed with talking with Thane this time round. I never encouraged him, and always took the middle of the road approach, and he still started calling me Siha. I am not interested in becoming the Normandy's hooker, thankyouverymuchpleasesendcommanderalenkotomyquartersnow.

It didn't really bother me. It could be seen as either a nick name or a pet name depending on how you wish to view the relationship. I personaly see it as having been more of a nick name first type of thing and that you've become good enough friends with him that he felt he could use it instead of just think it.

Didn't he say that Shepard was his second Siha (I assume dead wife was the first?)?  I don't know if that means that the name is or isn't casual, but I guess you can just take it as a compliment and ignore any other implications.  Unlike Shepard's conversations with Jacob, where she's practically leaning back and spreading her legs...

[sesheta255]

Isaantia wrote...

[. Plus Joker is apparently invincible!

It annoyed the hell out of me at the end where Joker is taking out collectors with one shot - I had to pump a ton of rounds into the buggers,& hit them with a warp or 2 to make them go down.  My son commented that the kickback from the gun would have surely broken his shoulder, lol.

[Star]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Star58 wrote...

The economy appears to be driving the consumer trend. 

Basically EA's CEO says that consumers have been moving towards less expensive, on-line or downloadable games while the videogame industry has had a heavy reliance on what he calls "shrink-wrapped games @ $60 a pop".  He also sthat a 3rd of all games sold these days are 2ndhand.  While he believes there's room for both "shrinkwrapped" and on-line games (he notes that ME2 sold more than 2 million copies in the first few days), overall the consumer focus is on cheap or free downloadable games.

I suspect that's why there's been so much recent emphasis on quick DLC/expansion. If they can capture us while we're still enthusiastic about a game, it's much more likely we'll spend $$$ on it than if they wait.  And because the games are complex -- actual stories/dialog rather than just a couple of simple phrases, grunts and shooting or swordplay -- t;m betting that they can't get them out fast if they have to account for any major complexity in story and on-going characters.

That makes sense

The comment about a 3rd of the games being sold second hand makes me think that the Mass Effect trilogy using our saves to continue the story is a brilliant marketing strategy.  We keep our games instead of putting them up for sale...just in case we need them to make a new save (in case our PC or Xbox goes south). Means less used copies of the games for sale...so people have to buy new...more money for the company.

yeah -- brilliant indeed.  Also what I really took out of the articles lately is that there's a lot of concern on how EA's losses impact investors. It's not just the consumer's that impact a company's health.  If too many investors pull out the company can also find itself in trouble.  So, here's to hoping that the DLC/expansions/use of save games really make a difference so we can continue to have some Kaiden-time!

[MICHELLE7]

sesheta255 wrote...

I have an ME2 question - its sort of Kaidan related in a roundabout way :

Why did the Alliance (or Admiral Hackett) wait 2 years to retrieve the missing dog tags. They had to have known where the Normany was - they had to pick up the escape pods & also Shep sent a distress beacon, as well as the fact that Joker survived & could have told them exact co-ordinates. Did Hackett know Cerberus was rebuilding Shepard, is he somehow in the loop with Cerberus? Given that the email from Hackett was one of the first ones Shep received & before confirmation that Shep was alive it seems odd that Hackett would have given her the job of retrieving dog tags & placing a monument unless he had inside knowledge of the fact. As the surviving ranking officer, why wasn't Kaidan given this mission? - or was it offered and he knocked it back (I can't see Kaidan doing this - he would have followed orders no matter how hard it would have been for him). I also think Chakwas and/or Joker could be Anderson/Hackett spies - it still seems odd to me that the doctor would leave the alliance and that the Alliance would ground their best pilot.

Okay, probably more than one question, but this has really been bugging me.

Wow...a lot of conspiracy theories in that one...but good thinking. That is odd that they waited two years to retrieve the dog tags...never thought of that. And the spy thing...I like it. If the Alliance is big on taking Cerberus down they could have faked Joker's being grounded and Chakwas disappointing job to give them a reason to join. Chakwas didn't seem to like Cerberus too much. Don't know if Bioware would go that way but you should write some fanfiction...those are excellent ideas.

[sberna78]

Celestria129 wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I think for me...I do believe that they will wrap up the LI romance subplot...I'm just concerned how they might do that...after DAO and ME2...it seems they're leaning to the dark side a little...just don't want to see my LI die in the end.

As long as they don't pull a DAO & make it so that Kaidan has to sleep with someone (other than Shep) to survive.  It was bad enough with Alistair but I don't think I could take it with Kaidan, lol.

That would be my worst nightmare:blush:

Me too

But honestly, I don't see it happening...well let me put it this way, I can't see a really feasible reason plotwise for it to happen...I didn't like it in DA:O but I could buy it  because it was a fantasy like atmosphere with magic and dragons and the like, and a magical sex rite just made sense to me in that kind of world.

How would they justify something like that in ME3? it's essentially science fiction and a future world based upon technology, how would they make it so Kaidan had to sleep with someone else in order to survive? I just can't see it...they'd have to really pull something far fetched in order to justify that methinks...and hopefully they aren't nutty enough to attempt that.

I'm also REALLY hoping they aren't going to pull a "it's either your LI or the rest of the universe" plot but where you have to choose between saving Kaidan and saving everyone else (or a large number of people)....that would royally suck...and I'd be hard pressed to buy another Bioware game (even though I dearly love em'), I mean I can understand the need for conflict and drama in a game, but damnit I want some positive closure and a damn happy ending...I think that after all he/she has been through, Shep deserves that.

[MICHELLE7]

Badpie wrote...
Poor Alistair.  We popped his man-cherry then pimped him out.  

:lol:

[ScaperDeage]

TeenZombie wrote...

ScaperDeage wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Oh, I also want to add that I was very perturbed with talking with Thane this time round. I never encouraged him, and always took the middle of the road approach, and he still started calling me Siha. I am not interested in becoming the Normandy's hooker, thankyouverymuchpleasesendcommanderalenkotomyquartersnow.

It didn't really bother me. It could be seen as either a nick name or a pet name depending on how you wish to view the relationship. I personaly see it as having been more of a nick name first type of thing and that you've become good enough friends with him that he felt he could use it instead of just think it.

Didn't he say that Shepard was his second Siha (I assume dead wife was the first?)?  I don't know if that means that the name is or isn't casual, but I guess you can just take it as a compliment and ignore any other implications.  Unlike Shepard's conversations with Jacob, where she's practically leaning back and spreading her legs...

I don't remember anything about him saying Shep was his second Siha, but if he did, I would guess that the first would be the actual Siha since he does so much love talking to his gods and they hold such importance in his life.

[Mrs Templar]

sesheta255 wrote...

Given that they kept referring to ME2 as the dark part of the trilogy (& the many references in interviews prior to release to the original Star Wars trilogy), I'm feeling pretty hopeful that we will get our happy ending with Kaidan.

I am hopeful too, after all Han Solo got the girl at the end of the Star Wars trilogy. So my FemShep should get her man. 

[MICHELLE7]

sberna78 wrote...

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I'm also REALLY hoping they aren't going to pull a "it's either your LI or the rest of the universe" plot but where you have to choose between saving Kaidan and saving everyone else (or a large number of people)....that would royally suck...and I'd be hard pressed to buy another Bioware game (even though I dearly love em'), I mean I can understand the need for conflict and drama in a game, but damnit I want some positive closure and a damn happy ending...I think that after all he/she has been through, Shep deserves that.

If they did that a lot of people would die cause I can't sacrifice Kaidan...but yeah, that would suck big time.

[fortunesque]

You wouldn't kill me, would you????

[sesheta255]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sberna78 wrote...

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I'm also REALLY hoping they aren't going to pull a "it's either your LI or the rest of the universe" plot but where you have to choose between saving Kaidan and saving everyone else (or a large number of people)....that would royally suck...and I'd be hard pressed to buy another Bioware game (even though I dearly love em'), I mean I can understand the need for conflict and drama in a game, but damnit I want some positive closure and a damn happy ending...I think that after all he/she has been through, Shep deserves that.

If they did that a lot of people would die cause I can't sacrifice Kaidan...but yeah, that would suck big time.

My shep would sacrifice every man, woman & child in the galaxy rather than sacrifice Kaidan.