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sapphyreelf wrote...

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I think after having to deal with Jacob, the other questionable dialogue didn't bother me as much so when I got to that point I just shrugged and moved on.


Yeah, it was bad talking to Jacob every time. Although, I found it much easier to avoid the romance options with him than either Thane or Garrus (and I was actively trying to keep neutral with all 3). I like the characters just fine, as squadmates. It was still just the overhanded approach in the dialogues that would suddenly appear.

I'm on the fence about pet names in general though. Sometimes they can be sweet, and romantic. That's probably what they were trying for with "Siha", but it just rubbed me the wrong way. It's very personal, and my Shep was trying to lead to that kind of intimacy between them.


I actually found the opposite to be true. I had a much easier time of avoiding romance-y options with Thane and Garrus then Jacob. I do think it sounded like you were hitting on and being hit on in return by nearly every member of the crew, but I never found it that difficult to avoid going beyond just being friends with the other characters.

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Gah, was just watching some random movie that was on, turned out to be romantic. And right before the big reunion at the end, she keeps waiting for him and he's a no show because.... he died. I need to go see or play something with a happy ending soon, depressing.


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ELE08 wrote...

Popping in to share this bit of randomness.

Image IPB



This made me happy ^_^

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I sacrificed Kaidan every single time...I'm saving the universe for the chicks, and he outranks Ashley so he's supposed to do it in my book...

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Nizzemancer wrote...

I sacrificed Kaidan every single time...I'm saving the universe for the chicks, and he outranks Ashley so he's supposed to do it in my book...


Image IPB  I honestly have no problem with this reasoning.  Saving the universe for chicks is a noble cause.

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It's quiet today...



Too quiet >.>

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fortunesque wrote...

It's quiet today...

Too quiet >.>


*Listens to the space crickets chirping*

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Do any of you ever wonder (or perhaps know) who wrote Kaidan? I'm always curious about it; wonder about their inspiration for the character etc.



I also notice how different the ME team seems to be from the DA team in terms of website interactions. I really liked the way DA presented relationships -- direct convos, party convos, random comments,etc. I became very immersed in the game and with party members; I lol'd so many times over random comments! Anyway, my point (as I ramble on!) is that I noticed the writers frequently interacting with folks on the website. I also know that David G. went to other site and talked with folks early on. Some of you may have been regulars on Lady Shayna's Ladies of Neverwinter site -- I know he visited there and asked a lot of questions about female perspectives of relationships and to me, it really seemed like that research and consideration showed in the way characters were written and presented.



Anyway...something to think about on on slow afternoon.

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fortunesque wrote...

It's quiet today...

Too quiet >.>


Yesterday the thread was busy.  But it was the "bad" kind of busy.  But I'm bored at work today, we need to get some "good" busy happening here.

Topic for discussion:  do you expect Kaidan to grovel before you take him back in ME3?

Personally, it's not a big deal to me, a spoken apology would be better than the email, for certain, but I would just be so relieved if he were on my team, I'd be okay with just starting over.  I know other people, however, want him to express that he was very, very wrong not to trust Shepard on Horizon.

Thoughts?

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Not sure really... I'd settle for a apology, and no more drama after that. There's enough at stake already to waste time to go around and play the angry game. Though some kind of tension before the make up, you know a time where everything just hangs in the air, would be nice.

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TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It's quiet today...

Too quiet >.>


Yesterday the thread was busy.  But it was the "bad" kind of busy.  But I'm bored at work today, we need to get some "good" busy happening here.

Topic for discussion:  do you expect Kaidan to grovel before you take him back in ME3?

Personally, it's not a big deal to me, a spoken apology would be better than the email, for certain, but I would just be so relieved if he were on my team, I'd be okay with just starting over.  I know other people, however, want him to express that he was very, very wrong not to trust Shepard on Horizon.

Thoughts?


I honestly don't know.  It depends on if I've forgiven him before then. 

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TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It's quiet today...

Too quiet >.>


Yesterday the thread was busy.  But it was the "bad" kind of busy.  But I'm bored at work today, we need to get some "good" busy happening here.

Topic for discussion:  do you expect Kaidan to grovel before you take him back in ME3?

Personally, it's not a big deal to me, a spoken apology would be better than the email, for certain, but I would just be so relieved if he were on my team, I'd be okay with just starting over.  I know other people, however, want him to express that he was very, very wrong not to trust Shepard on Horizon.

Thoughts?


I wouldn't want him to grovel, but he should apologize. I'd like to see an actual *discussion* about what happened. It'd be nice to see Shepard say something to the effect of, "I really gave you some lame responses, and I'm sorry I didn't explain things".

Though Kaidan is the party most at fault, Shepard's got a little bit of the blame too for just saying "hey, so you should trust me unconditionally even though you haven't seen me in two years and you don't know if Cerberus installed a killswitch on me". The whole thing was a clusterf*ck. :unsure:

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TeenZombie wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

It's quiet today...

Too quiet >.>


Yesterday the thread was busy.  But it was the "bad" kind of busy.  But I'm bored at work today, we need to get some "good" busy happening here.

Topic for discussion:  do you expect Kaidan to grovel before you take him back in ME3?

Personally, it's not a big deal to me, a spoken apology would be better than the email, for certain, but I would just be so relieved if he were on my team, I'd be okay with just starting over.  I know other people, however, want him to express that he was very, very wrong not to trust Shepard on Horizon.

Thoughts?


No groveling required. I - and my Shep - understand where he was coming from. I do hope for some tension at first just because. Then bring on all the sexy rekindling.

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Well, given from whence my Shepard is coming.... She's angry, she's bitter, she's just generally in a bad mood at the moment. She's going through the motions as the paragon savior of the galaxy, but sometimes, she kicks a merc out a window because he just needed killing and put all those innocent workers in harms way.



She had a **** of a childhood growing up on Earth, then lost her entire unit on Akuze, felt like Cassandra in ME1 with no one believing her... and then the one person she thought she could count on in the galaxy rips her heart out of her chest and stomps on it. With both feet. And then emails a semi-apology?



I don't care how pretty he is. ;)



But, I do have at least one Shep that won't blame him and won't get over him fast enough to give up celibacy.

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I think Kaidan's appearance and characterization was handled poorly. We weren't even allowed to reply to the email. Shepard's best hello was, "Hey. It's been a while. How have you been?"



I blame the whole thing on the writing.

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My response in smilies......
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fortunesque wrote...

I think Kaidan's appearance and characterization was handled poorly. We weren't even allowed to reply to the email. Shepard's best hello was, "Hey. It's been a while. How have you been?"

I blame the whole thing on the writing.



I don't know.  I don't think it was handled poorly except in your inability to communicate back.  But on Kaiden's end, it's awkward and painful and it should be.  


Two years carrying a torch over one night together (I know, I know, in our imaginations it happened as often as possible and we christened every deck, but still)?  Unable to move on?  Our death did a number on the guy. 


Doesn't mean he didn't hurt my Shep just as much with the shouting fest on Horizon, though. 

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Star58 wrote...

Do any of you ever wonder (or perhaps know) who wrote Kaidan? I'm always curious about it; wonder about their inspiration for the character etc.

I also notice how different the ME team seems to be from the DA team in terms of website interactions. I really liked the way DA presented relationships -- direct convos, party convos, random comments,etc. I became very immersed in the game and with party members; I lol'd so many times over random comments! Anyway, my point (as I ramble on!) is that I noticed the writers frequently interacting with folks on the website. I also know that David G. went to other site and talked with folks early on. Some of you may have been regulars on Lady Shayna's Ladies of Neverwinter site -- I know he visited there and asked a lot of questions about female perspectives of relationships and to me, it really seemed like that research and consideration showed in the way characters were written and presented.

Anyway...something to think about on on slow afternoon.


I know Patrick Weekes lurked around in the forums as they wrote ME2 and a lot of forum easter eggs ended up in the game. I've never seen Drew K on the forums, however.

I remember David coming to visit the LoN site. I always enjoyed that. I do know that some of the writers check out the livejournal groups and hangout on other forums as well.

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Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I think Kaidan's appearance and characterization was handled poorly. We weren't even allowed to reply to the email. Shepard's best hello was, "Hey. It's been a while. How have you been?"

I blame the whole thing on the writing.



I don't know.  I don't think it was handled poorly except in your inability to communicate back.  But on Kaiden's end, it's awkward and painful and it should be.  


Two years carrying a torch over one night together (I know, I know, in our imaginations it happened as often as possible and we christened every deck, but still)?  Unable to move on?  Our death did a number on the guy. 


Doesn't mean he didn't hurt my Shep just as much with the shouting fest on Horizon, though. 


I agree. But I think part of it is this: It's been only a few weeks since Shepard has seen Kaidan (in her mind/experience). Why would she immediately find someone else?

I guess it depends on how people RP Shepard.

What I'd like to see is both of them talking like civilized adults. I'm sure, especially after the email, that Kaidan is in a state where he has rationally thought everything out. Shepard has had the same amount of time to try to think things through as well. I view the Horizon appearance to be a snag in the relationship that needs to be worked out.

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fortunesque wrote...

I think Kaidan's appearance and characterization was handled poorly. We weren't even allowed to reply to the email. Shepard's best hello was, "Hey. It's been a while. How have you been?"

I blame the whole thing on the writing.


Yeah, the reason I'm still a Kaidan fan at all is because I was so smitten with him in ME1.  I can rationalize the Horizon meeting *because* I like him so much, but that doesn't change the fact that it was badly handled, and made both Kaidan and Shepard look kind of jerky.

Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story.

Shepard should have *tried* to explain more clearly where she's been, and why she's with Cerberus.

...but neither of these things happened, because the writers didn't want to devote much time at all to Kaidan and Ashley. 

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Isaantia wrote...

Star58 wrote...

Do any of you ever wonder (or perhaps know) who wrote Kaidan? I'm always curious about it; wonder about their inspiration for the character etc.

I also notice how different the ME team seems to be from the DA team in terms of website interactions. I really liked the way DA presented relationships -- direct convos, party convos, random comments,etc. I became very immersed in the game and with party members; I lol'd so many times over random comments! Anyway, my point (as I ramble on!) is that I noticed the writers frequently interacting with folks on the website. I also know that David G. went to other site and talked with folks early on. Some of you may have been regulars on Lady Shayna's Ladies of Neverwinter site -- I know he visited there and asked a lot of questions about female perspectives of relationships and to me, it really seemed like that research and consideration showed in the way characters were written and presented.

Anyway...something to think about on on slow afternoon.


I know Patrick Weekes lurked around in the forums as they wrote ME2 and a lot of forum easter eggs ended up in the game. I've never seen Drew K on the forums, however.

I remember David coming to visit the LoN site. I always enjoyed that. I do know that some of the writers check out the livejournal groups and hangout on other forums as well.



Yeah, I used to be a regular on The Attic website (Baldur's Gate). David G. used to come out there and even host our quizzes occasionally.  It's always fun when forum easter eggs show.

I remember Patrick Weekes occasionally hanging out here -- mostly remember his response to comments on story formulas. ;)

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You know what sucks? I was going to work out and now we're all talking so I don't want to work out...



Dammit!

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fortunesque wrote...

Sialater wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I think Kaidan's appearance and characterization was handled poorly. We weren't even allowed to reply to the email. Shepard's best hello was, "Hey. It's been a while. How have you been?"

I blame the whole thing on the writing.



I don't know.  I don't think it was handled poorly except in your inability to communicate back.  But on Kaiden's end, it's awkward and painful and it should be.  


Two years carrying a torch over one night together (I know, I know, in our imaginations it happened as often as possible and we christened every deck, but still)?  Unable to move on?  Our death did a number on the guy. 


Doesn't mean he didn't hurt my Shep just as much with the shouting fest on Horizon, though. 


I agree. But I think part of it is this: It's been only a few weeks since Shepard has seen Kaidan (in her mind/experience). Why would she immediately find someone else?

I guess it depends on how people RP Shepard.

What I'd like to see is both of them talking like civilized adults. I'm sure, especially after the email, that Kaidan is in a state where he has rationally thought everything out. Shepard has had the same amount of time to try to think things through as well. I view the Horizon appearance to be a snag in the relationship that needs to be worked out.


Well, this particular Shep cried on her turian friend's shoulders.  As far as my poor beaten up Shep is concerned, Kaiden dumped her. 

And no, she hasn't had two years.  Not sure how long this galaxy-saving thing is supposed to take, but I doubt it's two years.

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I have an ME2 question - its sort of Kaidan related in a roundabout way :

Why did the Alliance (or Admiral Hackett) wait 2 years to retrieve the missing dog tags. They had to have known where the Normany was - they had to pick up the escape pods & also Shep sent a distress beacon, as well as the fact that Joker survived & could have told them exact co-ordinates. Did Hackett know Cerberus was rebuilding Shepard, is he somehow in the loop with Cerberus? Given that the email from Hackett was one of the first ones Shep received & before confirmation that Shep was alive it seems odd that Hackett would have given her the job of retrieving dog tags & placing a monument unless he had inside knowledge of the fact. As the surviving ranking officer, why wasn't Kaidan given this mission? - or was it offered and he knocked it back (I can't see Kaidan doing this - he would have followed orders no matter how hard it would have been for him). I also think Chakwas and/or Joker could be Anderson/Hackett spies - it still seems odd to me that the doctor would leave the alliance and that the Alliance would ground their best pilot.

Okay, probably more than one question, but this has really been bugging me.


This one bothered me too.  Also, I wondered why there doesn't seem to be any sign that the Alliance looked for Shepard's remains; Liara found them and gave them to Cerberus.  Seems like there's some deeper political machinations going on here.  Also, another interesting tidbit -- in my current game, my Shep's background is Spacer and she just received an email from her mother wanting to know why she (mom) had to hear about Shep's revival 3rd hand.  It was interesting because the email didn't really convey a lot of indignation -- just, get in touch with me and stay safe.  ???? 


I believe that Hacketts e-mail starts by saying they’ve finally located the exact location of the crash, think of it like a ship wreck, you may know the general location but it doesn’t guarantee that you’ll be able to find it, a planet is fairly vast after all. Now factor in that said planet is in the Terminus system where Alliance ships don’t frequent often, or if they do they risk attack, that and they had the more imminent rescue mission to deal with so probably just the one ship that went in, got the survivors and left. Now as for Shep’s body there was prob a short search at the time but given Joker’s story and the rescue mission to deal with they gave up, figuring her lost forever, needle in a haystack springs to mind. It may have been some time after that before they could risk sending in another ship by vthen the exact location would be lost.

Now if they’ve only just found the wreck you would ask the highest ranking officer on the ship, which would be Shep. Hackett’s e-mail is DLC so the timing depends on when you download it.

Now as for Joker joining Cerberus, his story was plausible but the moment I saw Chakwas I figured Alliance spy, now it figures the Alliance has some idea, if not the full story of what’s going on in Cerberus and I imagine Shep body being retrieved would be hard to keep quiet. Perfect opportunity to send in Joker and Chakwas with a believable story, where are they gonna get assigned? Well as Cerb wants to gain Shep’s trust there is only one logical choice. Look at Anderson, he was hardly surprised to see you alive, I think he knew all along what was going on.

Now as for Shep’s mum, she’s an Alliance officer I think she even mentions in the e-mail that she assumes you’ve been on some secret mission, if anyone understands how it works she would, so no I don’t think she’d be mad, all she was saying was it would’ve been nice for Shep to sneak her some communication to let her know she wasn’t dead.

sberna78 wrote...

Just a random thought and I realize it's probably because the graphics are a bit better, but did anyone else think Kaidan looks a bit older in ME2 ? and yes, we know he IS 2 years older, but to me he actually looks older....

and I don't mean that in a negative way at all, to me he looks a bit more "weathered" and I like it...yeah I like it a lot...ME1 Kaidan is smoking hot, ME2 Kaidan is still smoking hot, but there's a bit more "gruff-ness" to him that's very, very sexy methinks.

Kaidan is the type of man that is still going to be deliciously hot for many, many years to come...


I actually thought when I first saw him I detected a stubble shadow RAWR! *shivers with delight* I love stubble! Image IPB

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Yesterday the thread was busy.  But it was the "bad" kind of busy.  But I'm bored at work today, we need to get some "good" busy happening here.

Topic for discussion:  do you expect Kaidan to grovel before you take him back in ME3?

Personally, it's not a big deal to me, a spoken apology would be better than the email, for certain, but I would just be so relieved if he were on my team, I'd be okay with just starting over.  I know other people, however, want him to express that he was very, very wrong not to trust Shepard on Horizon.

Thoughts?


I wouldn't want him to grovel, but he should apologize. I'd like to see an actual *discussion* about what happened. It'd be nice to see Shepard say something to the effect of, "I really gave you some lame responses, and I'm sorry I didn't explain things".

Though Kaidan is the party most at fault, Shepard's got a little bit of the blame too for just saying "hey, so you should trust me unconditionally even though you haven't seen me in two years and you don't know if Cerberus installed a killswitch on me". The whole thing was a clusterf*ck.  


I don’t want grovelling, I’m with Fort on this one, an apology, yes, but Shep’s shouldn’t get off scott free either, I would like an arguement, a bit of sexy angst, then a proper conversation where they discuss why they were both at fault, then bring on the smexyness!Image IPB

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TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story.




He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.