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[BECC4]

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story. 

He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.

My Shep was seriously pissed off!  I wish they'd given me the option to punch stuff in my cabin.

But after the e-mail she considered it from his PoV, he's not forgiven but she knows why he's angry and accepts that she could approached things better too.

[Sialater]

BECC4 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story. 

He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.

My Shep was seriously pissed off!  I wish they'd given me the option to punch stuff in my cabin.

But after the e-mail she considered it from his PoV, he's not forgiven but she knows why he's angry and accepts that she could approached things better too.

Yours is a little more well adjusted than mine.  Her temper does her talking more and she tends to hold grudges.  Then she went and got herself a triangle.

[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

Well, this particular Shep cried on her turian friend's shoulders.  As far as my poor beaten up Shep is concerned, Kaiden dumped her. 

And no, she hasn't had two years.  Not sure how long this galaxy-saving thing is supposed to take, but I doubt it's two years.

For me, none of the new romances except for Thane's convincingly seemed to be actually "romantic."  Granted, the actual Garrus love scene is sweet and touching, but there is no way I would hit on a friend out of nowhere, even when he's recounting a past sexual encounter.  That just seemed very out of left field for me.  And as I said about the way Shepard talks to Jacob, hitting on her subordinates out of the blue is just not "my Shepard."  It would never feel true to me.

So even if she was going to remain pissed at Kaidan, my Shep wouldn't have felt much interest in the new romances. 

And like fortunesque said, a few weeks or a month at most has passed in Shepard's mind.  Not enough time to move on, at least for me.

[BECC4]

Sialater wrote...
Yours is a little more well adjusted than mine.  Her temper does her talking more and she tends to hold grudges.  Then she went and got herself a triangle.

Poor Shep, mine considered her old friend for some comfort but backed out when she realised it wasn't really what she wanted and was only doing it because she was mad and it wasn't fair on Garrus.

There should be some sparks for your Shep in ME3

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story.

He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.

Well, being resurrected from the dead, was a huge leap in medical science from what we are told, so I can understand where he thinks she "faked" her death. My Shep knows she was dead. It's one of the points that they will have to work through.

About the only people she'd confide in on the current Normandy are Tali, Dr. Chakwas, and Joker, but she won't cry on their shoulders. I think the poor space hamster is the only one who has seen my Shep's tears.

[Mobar]

TeenZombie wrote...

sberna78 wrote...
Totally...and I'm not biased because I'm the same age as Femshep

But that was another angle that I REALLY loved about both games, and it's nothing against the younger ladies here...but I really enjoyed the fact that both the main character and my chosen LI were older than your usual video game heroes, a bit more mature and "worldly" if you will...and they looked it...and while both Femshep and Kaidan are just downright sexy people regardless , I LOVE that the passage of time and the things that they've gone through show...it adds to the realism of the overall experience IMO. I'm not sure if I'd be able to buy it that they both looked like supermodels, especially after all that they've been through and come out of...

Being able to play a character that has lived a bit, given evident to the fact that even us older ladies still have the ability to kick ass and save the universe is quite lovelty indeed.

Characters that age realistically = win in my books....

Another person agreeing over here, I think Bioware definitely took inspiration from characters like Ellen Ripley from Alien and Sarah Connor from the Terminator when making FemShep, and it shows.  Neither of those characters were young, fresh faced ingenues (well, Sarah Connor may have started as one, but by the second movie she had plenty of life experience under her belt), and it made their characters more believable, and cool, in my opinion. 

We need more awesome science fiction heroines.  Too bad Bioware couldn't think outside the box and make MarketingShepard female...ah well, maybe they'll figure it out by the time their next franchise rolls around.

This is what I'm fearing though, and I know I've been hammering on this a lot, but the problem here is EA.
We have allready seen a good post about that in this thread and it's true.

EA has a bad reputation and with good reason. In the past, their main strategy was to simply throw cash around, buy-up franchises, invest more money into tacky marketing techniques and advertising than the actual game.
The console market used to be their main focus, and they were responsible for running many good franchises completely into the ground.

Unlike a company like Bioware, they have no love for their product, none. They might just as well be selling Matrasses or screwdrivers for all they care, it's all about the ballance of money invested and money returned.

To a cold-cut corperate pencil pusher, it's hard to explain that the actual content of the game is what defines it. Their graphs and marketing research shows that they can still make the same amount (if not more) of profit if they invest less, and go for the cheaper more tacky aproaches. Because sadly, the average main stream gamer will buy their games anyway.

We look at games like Mass-effect 1 as art, and rightfully so. I'm pretty sure that Bioware, at least in it's core sees their products as art. But they sold them selves out to the big corperate monster... and they are paying the prize. Sadly.

But let's hope that even EA realizes that people know it's their influence ruining the games, and it will cost them their position in the long run.

[Sialater]

BECC4 wrote...

Sialater wrote...
Yours is a little more well adjusted than mine.  Her temper does her talking more and she tends to hold grudges.  Then she went and got herself a triangle.

Poor Shep, mine considered her old friend for some comfort but backed out when she realised it wasn't really what she wanted and was only doing it because she was mad and it wasn't fair on Garrus.

There should be some sparks for your Shep in ME3

Well, I actually plan on playing all three of the romances either with this Shep, or making two more, and then going back to whatever I liked enough to bring forward.   I still have my faithful playthrough to do, too. 

She stuck with Garrus since she couldn't break his heart having just had hers broken.

[Sialater]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story.

He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.

Well, being resurrected from the dead, was a huge leap in medical science from what we are told, so I can understand where he thinks she "faked" her death. My Shep knows she was dead. It's one of the points that they will have to work through.

About the only people she'd confide in on the current Normandy are Tali, Dr. Chakwas, and Joker, but she won't cry on their shoulders. I think the poor space hamster is the only one who has seen my Shep's tears.

Now, FAKING her death isn't something I considered.  After all, she's never lied to him, why start now?

[BECC4]

Sialater wrote...

Now, FAKING her death isn't something I considered.  After all, she's never lied to him, why start now?

All he knows is that Cerberus has had their evil mitts on her, God knows what they could have done to her, that's what he's afraid of. 

[Mobar]

BECC4 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Now, FAKING her death isn't something I considered.  After all, she's never lied to him, why start now?

All he knows is that Cerberus has had their evil mitts on her, God knows what they could have done to her, that's what he's afraid of. 

 The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to see Michelle's fanfic as pretty plausible.
I won't go into it too much becouse I don't want to spoil it, but her theory would actually explain a lot. Even if only
partly true.

[Sialater]

Mobar wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Now, FAKING her death isn't something I considered.  After all, she's never lied to him, why start now?

All he knows is that Cerberus has had their evil mitts on her, God knows what they could have done to her, that's what he's afraid of. 

 The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to see Michelle's fanfic as pretty plausible.
I won't go into it too much becouse I don't want to spoil it, but her theory would actually explain a lot. Even if only
partly true.

Link to fanfic?

Ah, see?  There's that trust issue again.  And I had Garrus with me.  Too bad he ignores your party members, despite them defending you.

[sapphyreelf]

Sialater wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Sialater wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...


Kaidan could have given Shepard more time to explain her side of the story.

He told me I didn't call, I didn't write, I told him I was clinically dead for two years and he blinked and shouted more.

My poor Shep was a hurt puppy.

Well, being resurrected from the dead, was a huge leap in medical science from what we are told, so I can understand where he thinks she "faked" her death. My Shep knows she was dead. It's one of the points that they will have to work through.

About the only people she'd confide in on the current Normandy are Tali, Dr. Chakwas, and Joker, but she won't cry on their shoulders. I think the poor space hamster is the only one who has seen my Shep's tears.

Now, FAKING her death isn't something I considered.  After all, she's never lied to him, why start now?

My Shep wouldn't lie to him, but I think people would be more likely to rationalize that you faked your death (for whatever reason). I think it's easier to understand if a person just disappeared off the radar and was doing something covert for 2 years rather than actually being dead and reborn.

[BECC4]

Oh about the possiblity of them making us choose between our LI and lots of people, I don't see them killing Shep, again already done in ME and too much like DA:O and if they force that the good of 1vs the many well I'm sorry but Shep is gonna be selfish, she's killed Saren, destroyed a Reaper, saved the council, died, disrupted Cerberus' organisation, killed the collectors, possibly lost the love of her life.  If that doesn't entitle her to a bit of selfishness, well I don't know what does.

It's like in Fable2 stuff what everyone thought of me, I saved my dog, the world isn't worth living in without the people you love, so stuff the high road.

[Mobar]

Sialater wrote...

Link to fanfic?

http://www.fanfictio...857/1/Illusions

[Mobar]

BECC4 wrote...

It's like in Fable2 stuff what everyone thought of me, I saved my dog, the world isn't worth living in without the people you love, so stuff the high road.

True !

I think that given a choice between some big picture or saving somebody you realy love, 90% of us would repeat what you just said.

[Jhourney]

Okay summing this up, just my opinion mind you. (and a lot has been said before, but hey it's late)

Let's see,
* Bioware creates a whole armada of LI's for ME2,
* They state they are curious to see who will cheat on their ME1 LI's because the new ones 'are so compelling',
* Then they design the generic Virmire Survivor scene on Horizon that applies to those romancing Kaidan, romancing Ashley and isn't too detailed to scare away new players,
* Shepard's Horizon dialogue has to be pretty generic too, so in one sweep it covers all 3 angles,
* To soften the blow to their fans, they add a simple mail to create somewhat of a romance presence,
* And those who didn't find the new LI's compelling get a picture scene right at the end of the game.

Now I read the forums quite a bit and a LOT of people are saying they found comfort in the arms of another. In my mind the whole Horizon scene was simply designed to even make it easy on players to find someone new. 

Cerberus seems to have injected Shepard with an overdose of hormones because she's sniffing her crew for potential mates from the moment she sets foot on the Normandy, while the original LI seems to drift further away into the past because there's not much to go on really. Everything is designed to push you into the arms of another, even friendship dialogues are shortened with potential LI's because once you don't pick the obvious romance options, they stop talking all together and will have nothing more to say to you for the rest of the game...well goodie goodie.

Because I view things like I just described, ME2 made it very easy for me to stay loyal to Kaidan. And after seeing what the LI's in ME2 were about, I'm soooo glad I did. Truthfully, imo, both Shepard as the new characters deserved a lot more. I actually feel sorry for Shepard at times.

I hope her hormones settle down a little in ME3 so she can think clearly again and word her thoughts a little better. Because, I swear, if the reunion scene comes up with Kaidan and she leans back against a table to do that  'Hubbah, hubbah' thing of hers, I'll step into my tv screen to personally toss her into the aquarium to cool down.

Which could be fun actually

[BECC4]

sapphyreelf wrote...
My Shep wouldn't lie to him, but I think people would be more likely to rationalize that you faked your death (for whatever reason). I think it's easier to understand if a person just disappeared off the radar and was doing something covert for 2 years rather than actually being dead and reborn.

Imagine someone telling you something that you thought was impossible, you trust them but you can't quite get your mind round what they're telling you and then to add to that their with an organisation you know commits attrocities, you've seen them.  What would you think?  That maybe your loved one has lost their mind?  I know I would.

But in the e-mail he's telling you that he knows you can do what you set out to and that he hopes you right about Cerberus but until you leave them he can't reconcile the feelings you have for each other.

[Sialater]

Mobar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Link to fanfic?

http://www.fanfictio...857/1/Illusions

Uh... creepy.  As hell.

[BECC4]

Jhosephine wrote...
I hope her hormones settle down a little in ME3 so she can think clearly again and word her thoughts a little better. Because, I swear, if the reunion scene comes up with Kaidan and she leans back against a table to do that  'Hubbah, hubbah' thing of hers, I'll step into my tv screen to personally toss her into the aquarium to cool down.

Which could be fun actually  

Haha! I keep expecting her to say 'How you doin'?' every time she speaks to Jacob

[Mobar]

Sialater wrote...

Mobar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Link to fanfic?

http://www.fanfictio...857/1/Illusions

Uh... creepy.  As hell.

You don't like it? I think she's realy good.

[Jhourney]

Sialater wrote...

Mobar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Link to fanfic?

http://www.fanfictio...857/1/Illusions

Uh... creepy.  As hell.

Illusions indeed. Hope Bioware won't pull a Matrix on us in ME3 or something

[Jhourney]

BECC4 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...
I hope her hormones settle down a little in ME3 so she can think clearly again and word her thoughts a little better. Because, I swear, if the reunion scene comes up with Kaidan and she leans back against a table to do that  'Hubbah, hubbah' thing of hers, I'll step into my tv screen to personally toss her into the aquarium to cool down.

Which could be fun actually  

Haha! I keep expecting her to say 'How you doin'?' every time she speaks to Jacob

No kidding

[sesheta255]

I picture my shep getting back to the Normandy after Horizon, throwing biotic attacks at a few crates in the cargo area, screaming at Joker to get her to the citadel (to confront Anderson), then going & smashing a few things in her room - that fish tank better have pretty strong glass.



I'm actually thinking that it might be Shep that has to do the grovelling, rather than Kaidan. she's going to have to some pretty fancy talking in my opinion. I would like to see Kaidan take the initiative in terms of making up - its always up to Shep, lets face it the night before Ilos wouldn't have happened if she hadn't forced the issue. Kaidan would have been too shy to instigate it, but hopefully things wil be a bit different now.

[Sialater]

Mobar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Mobar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Link to fanfic?

http://www.fanfictio...857/1/Illusions

Uh... creepy.  As hell.

You don't like it? I think she's realy good.

No, it was great!  Those things just creep me out.  Also, which one was the true original, that's the real question.

[sberna78]

Darazelly wrote...

Not sure really... I'd settle for a apology, and no more drama after that. There's enough at stake already to waste time to go around and play the angry game. Though some kind of tension before the make up, you know a time where everything just hangs in the air, would be nice.

This is where I stand too...I do expect there to be some momentary tension....a little awkwardness, etc...As nice as it would be for Kaidan to come running back into my Femshep's arms asap and be all sweetness and light, I wouldn't find it all believable and it would ruin the immersion for me.

That being said, I don't want most of the game spent being angry with each other and only softening and confessing the love at the end.

I'd like to see some tension at first, I want to see both Femshep and Kaidan have it out about their feeelings regarding cerberus/the horizon "incident", etc.....I want him to understand her pov better and her to understand his, then I'd like to see a heartfelt apology...then okay I love you, let's go save the universe together...again...

Also some sexytime thrown in the mix would be welcome too