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[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

I don't agree with a lot of that review. I don't think the reviewer talked to everyone in-game that s/he could.

I totally don't agree with the third section about the Collector's base, to me there are more, and better reasons to blow it up than keep it, but I do agree that the game turns the choice into a simplistic black and white issue, and it should be much more complex than that.

This author apparently has never done any N7 missions, either, if he thinks the ONLY problem with the writing is in the first ten minutes and the last ten minutes.  The problems he has with the Collectors can be easily explained too, and he must have forgotten about the Reapers using the Keepers on the Citadel too in the first game.

But all in all I have the same sorts of issues with the writing.  This really isn't a proper sequel, and it doesn't advance the plot well enough to call it the second part of a trilogy. 

His idea about not playing Shepard after the first game is awful, though.  I would not have played ME2 if it weren't Shepard's story anymore.

[BECC4]

TeenZombie wrote...
His idea about not playing Shepard after the first game is awful, though.  I would not have played ME2 if it weren't Shepard's story anymore.

Me too, would hate this

[RyrineaNara]

 Yeah, I agree that the writing could be a lot better, but it is fun to play.  Hell, the hole Horizon thing was the biggest writing flaw in the game.  But changing the chracters to not fit Shepard's story is just stupid 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 18 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[sapphyreelf]

I enjoyed ME2 for the most part. I think my overall feelings for the Mass Effect series will be established once the third part of the trilogy is done. Which I'm sure is the same for alot of people.

As a stand alone game, I actually love ME2 despite my disappointment with lack of Kaidan. It's a hell of a lot more fun than raiding in WoW every night.

[RyrineaNara]

[qoute] His idea about not playing Shepard after the first game is awful, though. I would not have played ME2 if it weren't Shepard's story anymore.[/quote]

I agree, that is just awful thing to do to a story that involves in to Shepard's story.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 18 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Sialater]

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

[BECC4]

Ah it'll be like Star Wars, 1 was good, 2 a bit dodgy at first but better regarded later, 3 awesome! The true love comes to it's epic conclusion and maybe we'll even get some cute furry pets on the Normandy like Ewoks! Haha!



(This is all IMO of course)

[crimsonrhodelia]

Cypher0020 wrote...

really what happened last night?

I really should pickup my kaiden/sentinelshep run again

I believe there was some talk of Kaidan's majestic rear...Or did I misread that post?

[BECC4]

OMG! On Noveria if you click on Ash she says 'Nobody lick any poles'



What is Biowares obssession with licking poles?!

[syllogi]

BECC4 wrote...

OMG! On Noveria if you click on Ash she says 'Nobody lick any poles'

What is Biowares obssession with licking poles?!

  Do you even have to ask???

[BECC4]

TeenZombie wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

OMG! On Noveria if you click on Ash she says 'Nobody lick any poles'

What is Biowares obssession with licking poles?!

  Do you even have to ask???

Um yeah, stupid question

[Celestria129]

BECC4 wrote...

OMG! On Noveria if you click on Ash she says 'Nobody lick any poles'

What is Biowares obssession with licking poles?!

.....Do we really want to know.....

[Mrs Templar]

 Ashley strikes me as a girl who has licked a lamppost or two in winter before 

[Jhourney]

Sialater wrote...

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

Sadly yes. It's because of this that I wondered what the encounter on Horizon COULD have been like had they not been restricted by making ME2 a standalone game as well. When they had freedom to write dialogue for Shepard that made more sense to ME1 players but would have made new players frown.

I suppose I need to read fanfic for that, but had this been a true trilogy, the game could have gone from good to freaking awesome in my book

[syllogi]

Jhosephine wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

Sadly yes. It's because of this that I wondered what the encounter on Horizon COULD have been like had they not been restricted by making ME2 a standalone game as well. When they had freedom to write dialogue for Shepard that made more sense to ME1 players but would have made new players frown.

I suppose I need to read fanfic for that, but had this been a true trilogy, the game could have gone from good to freaking awesome in my book

This is true, but I really hope that they don't make as many concessions for ME3 as it seems they made for 2...if we've stuck with the story for three games, we deserve to have resolution, it would be awful if they continue to dumb down the plot for new players to the series.

I wonder if you start ME3 as a "default" Shepard, will the entire ME2 squad be dead?  So that would leave just Liara and the Virmire survivor as potential squadmates, and maybe Wrex.  Then we'd HAVE to have a bunch of brand new potential teammates. 

Hrmm...I really don't want ME3 to be written around DefaultShepard.  DefaultShepard sucks.

[Celestria129]

Jhosephine wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

Sadly yes. It's because of this that I wondered what the encounter on Horizon COULD have been like had they not been restricted by making ME2 a standalone game as well. When they had freedom to write dialogue for Shepard that made more sense to ME1 players but would have made new players frown.

I suppose I need to read fanfic for that, but had this been a true trilogy, the game could have gone from good to freaking awesome in my book

I agree, but they still could have had those dialogue for those who imported ME1 saves, like the Tali one if you gave her the geth data in ME1.

[MICHELLE7]

Mrs Templar wrote...

Interesting article...not really Kaidan related , but it does talk about some of the plot holes which make way for some of the conspiracy theories.   http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004

Thanks for the link...the interview made a lot of sense...sounds like something I had thought about earlier...that Bioware really didn't have a second arc of the story and had to create a story to fill in the gap to make it a trilogy. He's right though...the story did not advance and we do wind up right back where we were at the end of ME...sadly minus one Kaidan.

Don't agree with the rest of the game being awesome though. I found the recruit/win loyalty part became boring after a while.  I actually found the little sidequests and N7 quests more entertaining...along with looking at my Kaidan pic in Shep's quarters.

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

Sadly yes. It's because of this that I wondered what the encounter on Horizon COULD have been like had they not been restricted by making ME2 a standalone game as well. When they had freedom to write dialogue for Shepard that made more sense to ME1 players but would have made new players frown.

I suppose I need to read fanfic for that, but had this been a true trilogy, the game could have gone from good to freaking awesome in my book

This is true, but I really hope that they don't make as many concessions for ME3 as it seems they made for 2...if we've stuck with the story for three games, we deserve to have resolution, it would be awful if they continue to dumb down the plot for new players to the series.

I wonder if you start ME3 as a "default" Shepard, will the entire ME2 squad be dead?  So that would leave just Liara and the Virmire survivor as potential squadmates, and maybe Wrex.  Then we'd HAVE to have a bunch of brand new potential teammates. 

Hrmm...I really don't want ME3 to be written around DefaultShepard.  DefaultShepard sucks.

Default Shepard is an incompetent jackass in that case.  Default Shepard should assume everyone made it out alive, since it's not that difficult.

But as I've said before, I'll bet the Virmire survivor isn't on Horizon for the reasons they say they are. 

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

BECC4 wrote...
This I can't defend, it was just plain stupid, I guess we could say something about suprise and the heat of the moment but nah, he's a marine, should be cool as a cucumber even with a swarm of bugbots.

Well I blame it on Horizon, it's just a weird place to be. Shepard was there for what, a couple of hours, and look at the effect it had on her speech

But honestly, I just mark it as yet another Generic Virmire Survivor thing since Ash doesn't have biotics....

Shepard thinks: Kaidan, I'm so glad you're ok, I've been looking for you ever since I woke up, it's all so strange and no one would tell me where you were.

Shepard opens her mouth and says ...... Hi how you've been?

Shepard thinks: WTF?!

:lol::lol:Awesome!

[syllogi]

Sialater wrote...

Default Shepard is an incompetent jackass in that case.  Default Shepard should assume everyone made it out alive, since it's not that difficult.

But as I've said before, I'll bet the Virmire survivor isn't on Horizon for the reasons they say they are. 

Oh, I forgot, DefaultShepard even killed Wrex.  It just seems like, going by the past choices the game made for the default character, everything that can go wrong in ME3 will be FUBARed.  And even though I'm a ME1 love interest fan, I would be severely disappointed if ALL our ME2 squadmates were put into crappy cameos.  (Okay, maybe a couple can, but not all...)

[LovelyKatzy]

TeenZombie wrote...

DefaultShepard sucks.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Jhourney]

Sialater wrote...
But as I've said before, I'll bet the Virmire survivor isn't on Horizon for the reasons they say they are. 

I agree, something is going on. TIMMAH pretty much has access to all thinkable info, but not Kaidans? Hah! Fishy fishy... *catches a thane by accident* well drat.

[RyrineaNara]

Default Shepard sucked ass, I TOTALLY agree with that.

[Sialater]

TeenZombie wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Default Shepard is an incompetent jackass in that case.  Default Shepard should assume everyone made it out alive, since it's not that difficult.

But as I've said before, I'll bet the Virmire survivor isn't on Horizon for the reasons they say they are. 

Oh, I forgot, DefaultShepard even killed Wrex.  It just seems like, going by the past choices the game made for the default character, everything that can go wrong in ME3 will be FUBARed.  And even though I'm a ME1 love interest fan, I would be severely disappointed if ALL our ME2 squadmates were put into crappy cameos.  (Okay, maybe a couple can, but not all...)

None of them should fade into the background, I don't think.   They should ALL be further developed. Though if you get Liara back, I doubt you have need of Samara, but then she says she's leaving anyway.  But a the very least, none of the romancables in ME1 or ME2, no matter what you did with them, should be gotten rid of.  Yes, even Jacob should stay.   You can't get Wrex back, he's busy being King of Tutchanka, so Grunt can stay and Mordin and Legion are unique.  (And between the two of them, I'm pretty sure Mordin and Chakwas can cure Thane, you just have to go get some bizarre exotic and rare ingredient from a far off planet in the backside of nowhere.)  I think there's room on Normandy II for two spare squadmates, however they get there.

[MICHELLE7]

Celestria129 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Unfortunately, you can't HAVE a true trilogy. Each game MUST stand alone. Makes for some awkwardness, but ME1 had to stand alone in case it's sales didn't justify ME2. Same with ME2.

Sadly yes. It's because of this that I wondered what the encounter on Horizon COULD have been like had they not been restricted by making ME2 a standalone game as well. When they had freedom to write dialogue for Shepard that made more sense to ME1 players but would have made new players frown.

I suppose I need to read fanfic for that, but had this been a true trilogy, the game could have gone from good to freaking awesome in my book

I agree, but they still could have had those dialogue for those who imported ME1 saves, like the Tali one if you gave her the geth data in ME1.

Yeah, I think that Tali and Garrus are proof that they are not that bound by making a stand alone game as some people believe. They found a way to work Chakwas and Joker in as well. And if Joker couldn't die why couldn't Kaidan have been on the ship too...and not died(they could have made it work somehow. I think Horizon may have just been a cop-out because they didn't want to put to much effort into it...like I said before...an afterthought.

He could have actually went with Shep and the squad members on the shuttle as the shuttle pilot and been spared being taken or killed by the collectors. Comes back with Shep and remains with Joker as Shep and the squaddies take on the collectors. And they could have come up with some reason for him to stay behind...maybe he was needed on the ship or maybe his L2 implant was removed(wating for an upgrade)...they could have come up with something. I just think they could have done better that's all...hopefully ME3 will be. Don't mind me...I'm just rambling again.