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[MICHELLE7]

Eshaye wrote...

LovelyKatzy wrote...

At least he got kinda snarky when the consort started getting touchy feely with Shepard.

That's right! Again you need to have flirted with him already, otherwise he won't say a peep. 

I alway did that before I flirted...what are the words he said exactly...if you don't mind.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

solvill wrote...

anderson still with Alliance this is what he said, that he represent the humanity and the Alliance
Council didn't want to be involved with only human problems why would they send Specter to investigate the horizon ??

They would send a spectre after a possibly rogue spectre I guess.

I don't know what they consider rogue though...in my playthrough the Council made it clear that Cerberus was an enemy of the council even though they re-instated her...they even told her they hoped she concluded her business with them quickly. I doubt at that point they considered her rogue... just 'out of her mind' for working with Cerberus. 

They probably would have considered her rogue if Cerberus had proven to be behind the disappearances of the colonists. Now that would create some drama...Kaidan sent to kill the woman he loves...

I think the conversation with Anderson after the events on Horizon are just off. The way Shepard accuses him of spying on her. Since she is reinstated as a spectre, came to Anderson at the beginning of the game etc, why send Kaidan to Horizon not only to check what Cerberus is up to, but also to (according to Shep) spy on her?

However, if you didn't save the council in ME1, you're never reinstated are you? Human led Council won't even talk to you I'm just reading too much into generic dialogue again.

I agree...it does seem off. I wonder how many of the writers were the same ones from the original game. Not only does the dialog sometimes seem out of character...it sometimes seems to lack continuity. And whoever wrote Jacobs dialog needs to court marshaled.

[MICHELLE7]

TeenZombie wrote...



Good morning!!!

YUM!

[cpolisch]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

solvill wrote...

anderson still with Alliance this is what he said, that he represent the humanity and the Alliance
Council didn't want to be involved with only human problems why would they send Specter to investigate the horizon ??

They would send a spectre after a possibly rogue spectre I guess.

I don't know what they consider rogue though...in my playthrough the Council made it clear that Cerberus was an enemy of the council even though they re-instated her...they even told her they hoped she concluded her business with them quickly. I doubt at that point they considered her rogue... just 'out of her mind' for working with Cerberus. 

They probably would have considered her rogue if Cerberus had proven to be behind the disappearances of the colonists. Now that would create some drama...Kaidan sent to kill the woman he loves...

I think the conversation with Anderson after the events on Horizon are just off. The way Shepard accuses him of spying on her. Since she is reinstated as a spectre, came to Anderson at the beginning of the game etc, why send Kaidan to Horizon not only to check what Cerberus is up to, but also to (according to Shep) spy on her?

However, if you didn't save the council in ME1, you're never reinstated are you? Human led Council won't even talk to you I'm just reading too much into generic dialogue again.

I agree...it does seem off. I wonder how many of the writers were the same ones from the original game. Not only does the dialog sometimes seem out of character...it sometimes seems to lack continuity. And whoever wrote Jacobs dialog needs to court marshaled.

I could not agree more on Jacob.  Other than Jacob, though, the main dialogue I was concerned with was Shepard's.  Alot of the time when she talked I was like "WHAT?  NO."  Like when she said "KAIDAN, IT'S BEEN AWHILE..."  I wanted Kaidan to renegade interrupt punch her in the face.  How insensitive can you get?!

[Jhourney]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...



Good morning!!!

YUM!

How are we ever going to get through 1-2 YEARS of waiting ....dammit.

[sapphyreelf]

Daily postings of that picture will help! Or drive us insane....

[cpolisch]

That picture will help, but... 1-2 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

[Jhourney]

cpolisch wrote...

That picture will help, but... 1-2 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

Indeed, was browsing through a dutch gamenews site and they said Dragon Age 2 will arrive at the start of 2011...since it's not confirmed by Bioware I am not getting my hopes up but my first reaction was 'No, I want ME3'.

Just a few years.....years....years....omg....

[cpolisch]

They said they'd try to be fast, and they don't have to worry about making sure it all ties back into another game... I'm hoping for only a year and a half. Dragon Age will give us something to do at least, but yeah... we'll have to see when they confirm in themselves.

[sapphyreelf]

Well, we'll just have to fill the time with awesome Kaidan posts, fics, pics....

[chem light]

Hmmmm...that could be problematic if Dragon Age is all I have to go on. My character dramatically took the final blow to the arch demon and sacrificed herself since Alistair went all responsible king on her.

[Eshaye]

Jhosephine wrote...

cpolisch wrote...

That picture will help, but... 1-2 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

Indeed, was browsing through a dutch gamenews site and they said Dragon Age 2 will arrive at the start of 2011...since it's not confirmed by Bioware I am not getting my hopes up but my first reaction was 'No, I want ME3'.

Just a few years.....years....years....omg....

Whaaat? Really? I could see a major DA expansion but not the sequel already! <_< Maybe they really meant ME3.... *crosses fingers, shuts eyes tight, and wishes fervently*

[Cypher0020]

waaait Dragon Age 2?! I haven't even played DA1 yet.....



but I get yummy toplesss kaidan... keep the pic cirrulating!

[sapphyreelf]

I'm looking forward to DA2 (and the first 'expansion' is supposed to launch next month, btw), but I really want to find out the ending for Mass Effect.

[Eshaye]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

LovelyKatzy wrote...

At least he got kinda snarky when the consort started getting touchy feely with Shepard.

That's right! Again you need to have flirted with him already, otherwise he won't say a peep. 

I alway did that before I flirted...what are the words he said exactly...if you don't mind.

I can't remember!! 

[Lianna sFfalenn]

Eshaye wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

LovelyKatzy wrote...

At least he got kinda snarky when the consort started getting touchy feely with Shepard.

That's right! Again you need to have flirted with him already, otherwise he won't say a peep. 

I alway did that before I flirted...what are the words he said exactly...if you don't mind.

I can't remember!! 

The words are quite generic, just "Yeah, well, you wanted to speak to the Commander." The snarky tone is what makes it, you can tell what he really means is "Get away from my girl, Asari wench!". I can just imagine that he gets that awkward look like he did in the Wards right after he says it as well - "Foot in mouth again, Kaidan, nice one..."

[epoch_]

So happy this thread is successful. Not the biggest kaiden fan, but if devs see how popular he is, him and ash will be back for sure.

[chem light]

Kaidan and Ash were actually two of my favorite characters. I felt like they were three buddies discovering this new world together. THe first time they saw the citadel, the view nebula scene. Ash was always my best gal pal and Kaidan my romance. Virmire broke my heart.

[syllogi]

chem light wrote...

Kaidan and Ash were actually two of my favorite characters. I felt like they were three buddies discovering this new world together. THe first time they saw the citadel, the view nebula scene. Ash was always my best gal pal and Kaidan my romance. Virmire broke my heart.

Yeah, if I had had my way Ash and Kaidan would have been my team for the whole game.    I loved her snarky comments, and I'm all about girl power, so she was awesome.  Why did I have to choose??? 

[BECC4]

Ok so this is gonna be a long one, it’s been a long, hard day at work where they actually made me, like work! 
I’ve had no Kaidan, shirtless or otherwise and hell you guys have been busy!  So I apologise if there are a lot of quotes but I like the sound of my own voice too much not to chip in, that and it bumps the thread so it’s all for a good cause.
[quote]chem light wrote...
I think a lot of the LI in 2 were set up to be temporary. Garrus is just blowing off steam (which annoyed me no end) Thane is dying. Tali is pretty much going to have to go back to the fleet at some point. Perhaps they set it up that way on purpose?[/quote]
Yes, I’m interested to see exactly how we will be rewarded for being faithful and punished for not, I think it would be really funny if the faithful crew got a deep meaningful romance and the unfaithful crew got dumped by both parties, call it karma *shrug*
[quote]fortunesque wrote...

[quote]solvill wrote...

I still can't forgive Casey H. for saying that a lot of people wil be cheating on theirs LI because the new one are sooooooooo compelling[/quote]

I'm compelled to let the new LIs all die.

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LOL this made me laugh, a lot.
[quote]MICHELLE7 wrote...

[quote]Eshaye wrote...

[quote]Shavon wrote...

Lol, teenzombie!

They will be back, I have to be optimistic about this, or depression will overtake. It's just a game, but it's not very fun to think they won't be around. I have the feeling some Me2 squaddies won't even get appearances *glares at the person for making Thane die*
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Well someone from BioWare said their reason for keeping the ME1 LI's out of the picture was to make sure they wouldn't die, so for sure they'll be back!!  [/quote]

And because they couldn't die they are more likely to be on the squad than the ME2 squad mates...since Wrex couldn't return as a squad mate for ME2 because he could die in ME.
[/quote]
This is the hope I cling to, the devs not wanting them to be able to die gives me endless hope that they will be back, they HAVE to be!
 [quote]Jhosephine wrote...

Hmm more thinking on my part.

Bioware stated that cheating on your ME1 LI will have consequences in ME3. Could it be that Kaidan is only recruitable if you've been loyal to him?

And then having him back on the Normandy made me think some more
I would love Shepard's cabin to be like the DA camp, meaning returning to the cabin (which we all often do to feed the fish etc) could trigger a cutscene with a LI. I am sure Kaidan and Shepard have a lot to talk about to get past all events but I loved seeing NPC's taking inititiave in DA like Alistair's cutscenes back at camp.
In ME we only get that when it's time for the smexy scene, but why not make private talks etc trigger on cabin entry at times? If I were Kaidan and back on the Normandy with Shepard, you bet I would take the elevator to her 'loft' to get some answers instead of waiting at his station for her to come to him

Which also leads to a lovely 'reunion' at the Normandy scene in my head. With Shepard standing in front of the aquarium, arms crossed, lost in thought. EDI interrupting to announce Staff Commander Kaidan Alenko has boarded the Normandy.
Shepard then tells EDI to send the commander up. Scene trigger with Kaidan entering her quarters, all business and stern looking. He looks around, pans his head to the right, looks at her again. And if you've stayed loyal in ME2 and his picture is on your desk still, his head jerks to the right again and he's caught offguard by the evidence of Shepard's love.
Awkward dialogue ensues, Kaidan probably comments on the size of the cabin, the fish and whatnot, they smile a bit uncomfortably and then he's back to business and wants to settle in at his post. He states they will have to talk sometime, walks away and Shep gets a dialogue wheel. At that point you can confirm your relationship, keep the option open or end it all together by telling him the past is the past etc. Kaidan freezes at the spot for a few seconds before continuing onwards no matter the answer, just to acknowledge he heard you

I really need to stop these musings hahaha[/quote]

I love this scenario, think it would be an awesome reunion.
[quote]Mrs Templar wrote...
I agree, I loved the way Alistair made the move on your warden once he was comfortable enough.  Another DA influence I would love to see is more conversations between your crew.  IMO it made the people in your party feel more real and less like shadows.
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Also like this idea maybe it could  fit after the cabin scene, Kaidan has a little time to think before he comes back to you and spills about how he could never live without you, etc etc sexy time ensues.
[quote]Jhosephine wrote...
However, if you didn't save the council in ME1, you're never reinstated are you? Human led Council won't even talk to you I'm just reading too much into generic dialogue again.
[/quote]
You can still get reinstated, Anderson sorts it says something about not being bothered about putting himself on the line as they already give him a hard time.
[quote]Eshaye wrote...

[quote]LovelyKatzy wrote...

At least he got kinda snarky when the consort started getting touchy feely with Shepard.

[/quote]

That's right! Again you need to have flirted with him already, otherwise he won't say a peep. [/quote]
How in the hell did I miss this?!  Like I needed another reason to start ME1 again!
[quote]Eshaye wrote...
Whaaat? Really? I could see a major DA expansion but not the sequel already! Maybe they really meant ME3.... *crosses fingers, shuts eyes tight, and wishes fervently*
[/quote]
LOL me too, look at the bright side, if they can churn out DA:O this soon there’s hope for ME3 as they’ve already said keeping the game engine etc the same, who knows?

[Jhourney]

Remember to post in the ME3 Wishlist (constructively) in the non-spoiler forum. Lots of voices being raised about wanting more depth in relationships and large roles for ME1 LI's



BTW I loved that snarky comment from Kaidan while at the consort, was wondering how I got that on my first runthrough of the game. Despite Shepard being a badass, I'm sure she would like a protective guy as much as I do at times

[LN19]

Jhosephine wrote...

cpolisch wrote...

That picture will help, but... 1-2 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

Indeed, was browsing through a dutch gamenews site and they said Dragon Age 2 will arrive at the start of 2011...since it's not confirmed by Bioware I am not getting my hopes up but my first reaction was 'No, I want ME3'.

Just a few years.....years....years....omg....

I remember Hudson said in an article that they have already started working on ME3, and that interview came out before ME2 was released...so that's a good sign. And the dev's have stated since they don't have to worry about ME3 affecting a game after it (ie: Did you save the council?) they are able to move faster in development.

Also, while DA:O is made by BioWare, they have different people working on it, hence why DA:O came out two months before ME2. The dev's give attention to both of them by creating specific teams for each, so to prevent one getting more attention and leave the other gathering dust.

For ME3, I've heard first quarter 2011, but I highly doubt that, I think that will either be a large DLC or maybe an expansion. The dates that seem more likely are late third to fourth quarter 2011 or first quarter 2012.

And if there is a expansion, you'll never know what that may bring! I'm so excited for Awakening, my Cousland is Queen (or "Princess-Consort"), I can't wait to see how that plays out!

[Jhourney]

LN19 wrote...
*snipetysnipsnip* ...if there is a expansion, you'll never know what that may bring! I'm so excited for Awakening, my Cousland is Queen (or "Princess-Consort"), I can't wait to see how that plays out!

Bit off topic, but I saw a scene from Awakening with Alistair. Some guy adressed him as your Highness or your Majesty, don't recall, and I was like....will they call my Cousland that as well?

Still, despite all the lovely dialogues and depth of the characters, I still prefer Mass Effect. Most likely because there's no true happy ending to DA and I can't stand it!

[Estelindis]

I've been considering Kaidan's email a bit.  (Less than a week since I beat ME2...  How much will those few paragraphs have been analysed by the time ME3 comes out?  Oh, Bioware, how cruel you are!)

I think Kaidan let his friends talk him into seeing someone because, while he loved Shepard enough to have been devastated by her death, he's strong enough to try to move on.  We have proof of that from his response to BAaT.  It took him some time to deal with killing Vyrnnus and being rejected by Rahna, but eventually he took what he could from the experience, joined the Alliance, and began a stellar career.  He is too responsible to just go off on a path of destruction, self- or otherwise.

Also, from a metagaming perspective, the devs made a point of emphasising Kaidan as a level-headed, thinking man.  While far from emotionless, he is in control of his emotions most of the time.  (Note: "in control" does not mean "repressing", but "acknowledging them and staying in command".)  I think they wanted to avoid portraying him as a "whiner" (that perpetual label people use against Bioware's male characters when they happen to have emotions), but rather as a man of quiet inner strength.  To be honest, I think that's part of what makes his character so attractive.

Of course, no one can really doubt that, in spite of his efforts, he still cares.  The way he shouted at Shepard on Horizon was not the response of a man who had stopped caring.  But he had done the right thing in trying to move on.

On another note: because I was miffed that Shep couldn't respond to Kaidan's email, I decided that she actually had.  :-)  Here is that email, in screenshot form!  Page 1 - Page 2 - Page 3  It may be a little too "sweetness-and-light" for some, but my paragon Shep is compassionate as well as tough.  ;-) 

Also, here's a blank template if anyone wants to make email responses for their own Sheps, whether to Kaidan or anyone else.

[MICHELLE7]

[quote]BECC4 wrote...
[quote]fortunesque wrote...
[quote]solvill wrote...

I still can't forgive Casey H. for saying that a lot of people wil be cheating on theirs LI because the new one are sooooooooo compelling[/quote]

I'm compelled to let the new LIs all die.

[/quote]
LOL this made me laugh, a lot.
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Okay has anyone been able to get that arrangement...to kill off all 6 LI's...I've tried and so far Miranda keeps surviving.  I know you can get it down to only three surviving...I just haven't been able to get there yet...I think I'm doing too many upgrades(hard to resist).