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[sapphyreelf]

Estelindis, that's a very pretty email you wrote back to Kaidan. Very touching.

[Estelindis]

Thanks, sapphyreelf! I think we're really kindred spirits. ;-)

[freelovefreeway]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Okay has anyone been able to get that arrangement...to kill off all 6 LI's...I've tried and so far Miranda keeps surviving.  I know you can get it down to only three surviving...I just haven't been able to get there yet...I think I'm doing too many upgrades(hard to resist).

That's way worse than giggling when Lilith gets liquefied!

[Jhourney]

Indeed Estelindis, lovely reply

[Badpie]

Estelindis wrote...

I've been considering Kaidan's email a bit.  (Less than a week since I beat ME2...  How much will those few paragraphs have been analysed by the time ME3 comes out?  Oh, Bioware, how cruel you are!)

I think Kaidan let his friends talk him into seeing someone because, while he loved Shepard enough to have been devastated by her death, he's strong enough to try to move on.  We have proof of that from his response to BAaT.  It took him some time to deal with killing Vyrnnus and being rejected by Rahna, but eventually he took what he could from the experience, joined the Alliance, and began a stellar career.  He is too responsible to just go off on a path of destruction, self- or otherwise.

Also, from a metagaming perspective, the devs made a point of emphasising Kaidan as a level-headed, thinking man.  While far from emotionless, he is in control of his emotions most of the time.  (Note: "in control" does not mean "repressing", but "acknowledging them and staying in command".)  I think they wanted to avoid portraying him as a "whiner" (that perpetual label people use against Bioware's male characters when they happen to have emotions), but rather as a man of quiet inner strength.  To be honest, I think that's part of what makes his character so attractive.

Of course, no one can really doubt that, in spite of his efforts, he still cares.  The way he shouted at Shepard on Horizon was not the response of a man who had stopped caring.  But he had done the right thing in trying to move on.

On another note: because I was miffed that Shep couldn't respond to Kaidan's email, I decided that she actually had.  :-)  Here is that email, in screenshot form!  Page 1 - Page 2 - Page 3  It may be a little too "sweetness-and-light" for some, but my paragon Shep is compassionate as well as tough.  ;-) 

Also, here's a blank template if anyone wants to make email responses for their own Sheps, whether to Kaidan or anyone else.

You have made me swoon. 

[MICHELLE7]

Estelindis wrote...

I think Kaidan let his friends talk him into seeing someone because, while he loved Shepard enough to have been devastated by her death, he's strong enough to try to move on.  We have proof of that from his response to BAaT.  It took him some time to deal with killing Vyrnnus and being rejected by Rahna, but eventually he took what he could from the experience, joined the Alliance, and began a stellar career.  He is too responsible to just go off on a path of destruction, self- or otherwise.

It took about the same time (2 years) to move on from Rahna but that move was a professional move.Even Shep points out that he is still carrying emotional scars...by saying that he agonizes over every decision(afraid he's going to make the wrong move and lose someone he cares about again). He might have accepted his friends suggestion to move on but if he really had moved on he wouldn't have told Shepard he thought he had(moved on) but now he didn't know(after seeing her). Personally I think he uses his career to shut out his own private pain...(a common thing). His relationship with Shepard may have healed his emotional scars but her death more than likely re-opened them. 

Is he strong...absolutely...I don't think anything would hold him back professionally but is he strong in the area of moving on personally...in my opinion no...after all how long had he been waiting for that special someone to come along that would cause him to forget about Rahna. I don't think when he found her(Shepard) that he was going to get over her anytime soon. Outwardly, I think he was going through the motions of appearing like a fully functional human being but inwardly I don't think he had moved on at all. Just my opinion. 

By the way I loved your email...just beautiful...just wish we could have sent one for real.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 09 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[Estelindis]

Thanks, Jhosephine. :-) I was afraid everyone would think it was too sappy, but hey, I guess not.

And wow, Badpie! I'm a huge fan of your ME fiction (subscribed and all, so I get notifications when you write something new). Making you swoon is a huge compliment.

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Is he strong...absolutely...I don't think
anything would hold him back professionally but is he strong in the
area of moving on personally...in my opinion no...after all how long
had he been waiting for that special someone to come along that would
cause him to forget about Rahna. I don't think when he found
her(Shepard) that he was going to get over her anytime soon. Outwardly,
I think he was going through the motions of appearing like a fully
functional human being but inwardly I don't think he had moved on at
all. Just my opinion. 

Okay, that is a fair point, and well said.  How about this: he forces himself to be strong.  Even though part of him remains deeply involved with past events and people at an emotional level, he refuses to let that prevent him from serving others.

As for wishing we could have sent an email for real...  It's needless to say that I agree.  ;-)  I felt we should have been able to reply to the really important ones (like Kaidan and, for my Shep anyway, Captain Hannah).  The response could have been written via the conversation wheel - no actual voicing, and no real cutscene (the camera just placed in front of the email interface): just using that as a way to dictate the emotional content of the reply.

Modifié par Estelindis, 09 février 2010 - 07:11 .

[BECC4]

freelovefreeway wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Okay has anyone been able to get that arrangement...to kill off all 6 LI's...I've tried and so far Miranda keeps surviving.  I know you can get it down to only three surviving...I just haven't been able to get there yet...I think I'm doing too many upgrades(hard to resist).

That's way worse than giggling when Lilith gets liquefied!

Hehe, I haven't tried that yet, thought about it but my paragon Shep is a leave no one behind kind of gal, well exept for Kelly, she needed to join Lilith as smoothie, all that talk about hugging people and fancying every bugger that came on the ship, had to stop that one b4 my biotic sex muffin arrives!

Modifié par BECC4, 09 février 2010 - 07:11 .

[MICHELLE7]

Estelindis wrote...

Thanks, Jhosephine. :-) I was afraid everyone would think it was too sappy, but hey, I guess not.

And wow, Badpie! I'm a huge fan of your ME fiction (subscribed and all, so I get notifications when you write something new). Making you swoon is a huge compliment.

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Is he strong...absolutely...I don't think
anything would hold him back professionally but is he strong in the
area of moving on personally...in my opinion no...after all how long
had he been waiting for that special someone to come along that would
cause him to forget about Rahna. I don't think when he found
her(Shepard) that he was going to get over her anytime soon. Outwardly,
I think he was going through the motions of appearing like a fully
functional human being but inwardly I don't think he had moved on at
all. Just my opinion. 

Okay, that is a fair point, and well said.  How about this: he forces himself to be strong.  Even though part of him remains deeply involved with past events and people at an emotional level, he refuses to let that prevent him from serving others.

As for wishing we could have sent an email for real...  It's needless to say that I agree.  ;-)  I felt we should have been able to reply to the really important ones (like Kaidan and, for my Shep anyway, Captain Hannah).  The response could have been written via the conversation wheel - no actual voicing, and no real cutscene (the camera just placed in front of the email interface): just using that as a way to dictate the emotional content of the reply.

LOL we have a consensus. Call Legion.

Totally agree...you would have thought Bioware would have come up with something like that. 

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

freelovefreeway wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Okay has anyone been able to get that arrangement...to kill off all 6 LI's...I've tried and so far Miranda keeps surviving.  I know you can get it down to only three surviving...I just haven't been able to get there yet...I think I'm doing too many upgrades(hard to resist).

That's way worse than giggling when Lilith gets liquefied!

Hehe, I haven't tried that yet, thought about it but my paragon Shep is a leave no one behind kind of gal, well exept for Kelly, she needed to join Lilith as smoothie, all that talk about hugging people and fancying every bugger that came on the ship, had to stop that one b4 my biotic sex muffin arrives!

Yeah, my paragon Shep was like that...pure maxed out paragon but love and a broken heart can really change a person...couldn't get her mind off Kaidan no matter what she did and wound up rushing the mission in the hopes of reconciling with her "biotic sex muffin". 

I wonder if those biotic abilities can be used in "other" ways.

[freelovefreeway]

BECC4 wrote...

Hehe, I haven't tried that yet, thought about it but my paragon Shep is a leave no one behind kind of gal, well exept for Kelly, she needed to join Lilith as smoothie, all that talk about hugging people and fancying every bugger that came on the ship, had to stop that one b4 my biotic sex muffin arrives!

Oh no! I hadn't thought about that. I find Kelly annoying, but I hadn't thought about what I'd do to her if she made any of those comments about Kaidan.
I've always made sure to "save the crew" on my playthroughs to ensure Lilith gets it, but now... Oh dear. Choices, choices.

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
I wonder if those biotic abilities can be used in "other" ways.

Undoubtedly and Kaidan is a smart man, I'm sure he could get inventive

Wow I just had the most awesome thought, do you think it's possible to pull someones clothes of with biotics?  Makes the whole ripping your lovers shirt off a hell of a lot more impressive!

[Rappeldrache]

A DLC for ME2 would be nice. To have a romance with Ashley / Kaidan or Liara. I would pay money for something like this.



.

[Rogue151]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I wonder if those biotic abilities can be used in "other" ways.

 Wow, I'm sure if they can the Asari are the ones that know about it. 

Now I'm picturing some Karma Sutra Asari style book....

Now I can't help but laugh over Kaiden and FemShep looking at some Asari book like that, it makes it even funnier if your FemShep is a biotic. 

[MICHELLE7]

This isn't Kaidan centric but it is a great vid if anyone wants to watch it...someone set the suicide mission to "Don't fear the Reaper".



http://social.biowar...90372/1#1098291

[Rainydays]

yeah...I let that guy die...heck I would have pulled the trigger, even if I wouldn't have got any renegade points

[Daewan]

For my canon save, I did not romance anyone in ME2. I shut them all down as soon as "the suggestion" came up. However.... after I had finished the game, I went back and talked to the real temptation - Samara.



Most. Romantic. Shutdown. Ever.



Shepard standing alone with the stars in the background was beautiful. I'm tempted to go integrate that into my canon save just to see if it ever comes up again.



What is it about biotics anyway? Besides the natural human attraction to the color blue?

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
I wonder if those biotic abilities can be used in "other" ways.

Undoubtedly and Kaidan is a smart man, I'm sure he could get inventive

Wow I just had the most awesome thought, do you think it's possible to pull someones clothes of with biotics?  Makes the whole ripping your lovers shirt off a hell of a lot more impressive!

Maybe something along the lines of MASS affect...

[MICHELLE7]

Daewan wrote...

For my canon save, I did not romance anyone in ME2. I shut them all down as soon as "the suggestion" came up. However.... after I had finished the game, I went back and talked to the real temptation - Samara.

Most. Romantic. Shutdown. Ever.

Shepard standing alone with the stars in the background was beautiful. I'm tempted to go integrate that into my canon save just to see if it ever comes up again.

What is it about biotics anyway? Besides the natural human attraction to the color blue?

Yeah, I think they really missed the ball on not making Samara a love interest...she was way better looking than Jack or Miranda...and one of the few new characters that I actually liked.

[BECC4]

Ok I just had to slap my bf, can you believe he offered to lend my ME1 to someone else because in his words,

"Well you've got the second one, what do you need the first one for?"

Let's just say profanities were spoken, he now understands in no uncertain terms why that will not be happening.

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

Ok I just had to slap my bf, can you believe he offered to lend my ME1 to someone else because in his words,

"Well you've got the second one, what do you need the first one for?"

Let's just say profanities were spoken, he now understands in no uncertain terms why that will not be happening.

:lol:ouch! 

[Lisa_H]

Estelindis wrote...

I've been considering Kaidan's email a bit.  (Less than a week since I beat ME2...  How much will those few paragraphs have been analysed by the time ME3 comes out?  Oh, Bioware, how cruel you are!)

I think Kaidan let his friends talk him into seeing someone because, while he loved Shepard enough to have been devastated by her death, he's strong enough to try to move on.  We have proof of that from his response to BAaT.  It took him some time to deal with killing Vyrnnus and being rejected by Rahna, but eventually he took what he could from the experience, joined the Alliance, and began a stellar career.  He is too responsible to just go off on a path of destruction, self- or otherwise.

Also, from a metagaming perspective, the devs made a point of emphasising Kaidan as a level-headed, thinking man.  While far from emotionless, he is in control of his emotions most of the time.  (Note: "in control" does not mean "repressing", but "acknowledging them and staying in command".)  I think they wanted to avoid portraying him as a "whiner" (that perpetual label people use against Bioware's male characters when they happen to have emotions), but rather as a man of quiet inner strength.  To be honest, I think that's part of what makes his character so attractive.

Of course, no one can really doubt that, in spite of his efforts, he still cares.  The way he shouted at Shepard on Horizon was not the response of a man who had stopped caring.  But he had done the right thing in trying to move on.

On another note: because I was miffed that Shep couldn't respond to Kaidan's email, I decided that she actually had.  :-)  Here is that email, in screenshot form!  Page 1 - Page 2 - Page 3  It may be a little too "sweetness-and-light" for some, but my paragon Shep is compassionate as well as tough.  ;-) 

Also, here's a blank template if anyone wants to make email responses for their own Sheps, whether to Kaidan or anyone else.

That was a wonderful replay.  I really wish they had made some kind of replay function in the game. Where we could pick from different tones or responses, it had added a lot.

[Mrs Templar]

IMO it just doesn't make sense for my FemShep to go on a suicide mission w/out telling the man she loves how important he is to her.

[freelovefreeway]

BECC4 wrote...

Ok I just had to slap my bf, can you believe he offered to lend my ME1 to someone else because in his words,

"Well you've got the second one, what do you need the first one for?"

Let's just say profanities were spoken, he now understands in no uncertain terms why that will not be happening.

Just a couple days ago my dad asked me where my copy of ME1 was because he wanted to play it again before playing ME2. I think I stammered out, "Uhm...where did...your copy...go?" Although my husband understands completely, the Kaidan conversation isn't one I've had with my dad yet.

Since my family is currently mooching off my parents in their basement it isn't really a big deal to have to sneak back upstairs to get my daily dose of ME1 Kaidan, but still.

Modifié par freelovefreeway, 09 février 2010 - 08:31 .

[BECC4]

freelovefreeway wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Ok I just had to slap my bf, can you believe he offered to lend my ME1 to someone else because in his words,

"Well you've got the second one, what do you need the first one for?"

Let's just say profanities were spoken, he now understands in no uncertain terms why that will not be happening.

Just a couple days ago my dad asked me where my copy of ME1 was because he wanted to play it again before playing ME2. I think I stammered out, "Uhm...where did...your copy...go?" Although my husband understands completely, the Kaidan conversation isn't one I've had with my dad yet.

Since my family is currently mooching off my parents in their basement it isn't really a big deal to have to sneak back upstairs to get my daily dose of ME1 Kaidan, but still.

Lol about 6mths ago my dad asked to borrow my copy, I bought him one the next day, I refuse to be parted from the biotic sex muffin!