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[ComTrav]

EpsilonZem wrote...

finchburg wrote...

... I've got a Thane and a Garrus save, now I'm working on my loyal save and the more I think about it the more I think that will be the file I play first going into ME3...

That's exactly what I'm doing, too. Thane's my all-Paragon playthrough, Garrus will be my Renegade one, and Kaiden is my canon Shep playthrough. And that will definitely be the one I play first because I always play the ME games initially just to experience things and do things the way I want to, and then I go back and replay to get achievements, see different conversation options, etc. And since there will, of course, be some sort of Insanity/Hardcore/Multiple playthrough achievement, Kaiden will get my initial playthrough and then a second when I go back to get level cap and that particular achievement.

<--- has maybe put too much thought into this.

I personally always consider my first playthrough the most 'canon' because I don't KNOW everything, so the decisions I'm making and the emotions I'm feeling are the most authentic. Even if I had originally planned to romance X, but I start feeling particularly attached to Y instead, I feel like I have to go with Y. Later on I try different LIs, different Major Moral Decisions and things, but I always think of my first one as the 'real' one.

[fortunesque]

Or something like that...

[Jhourney]

Mrs Templar wrote...

I wonder if Kaidan will take the Carth approach from KOTOR. When he learns the truth about your character's past he is upset and doesn't want to talk to you. By the end of the game(if you are not evil) he realizes what a catch you are and expresses his love for you.

Well, I hope that won't be their entire role in ME3 IF they chose that approach, because it would be the easy way out yet again for Bioware. Create the entire game the way you want and then at the end let the LI show up and declare his undying love...the end.

I would love for them to only be recruitable if you remained faithful to them but what would that say about the old LI's? They won't join you in the fight because it would hurt too much? Especially in Kaidans case since he's really the duty comes first, Alliance loyalist type.

I'm sure it all makes sense to Bioware, who planned out the trilogy already, but to me it all looks like a mess with all the love interests and demands on the forums. Every LI has a support group, cept for Jacob, someone is going to end up disappointed. Kaidan has a strong, but smallish compared to some, following of more mature gamers. Let's face it though, we're the minority and the majority really dislike Kaidan and Ash.

Bioware said somewhere that they love their own characters too and will take them where BW wants them to go, but just look at Tali and Garrus, they added romance just to satisfy their fan's wishes. They never even believed people would be romantically interested in those characters.

I hope they split Kaidan away from Ash in ME3 and make him unique again, with his own dialogues, written for him and those who love him but I can't see how Bioware is going to do that since basically ALL LI's could be dead. Which is why I think they said they can go all out in ME3 without having to worry about continuity. If they don't have to worry about that, then how are they going to handle squadmates?

Anyway, what I noticed with the latest armor/weapon DLC was a mail from TIM concerning the armor send to you. Mail is easy, again please give us some. 

[Jhourney]

From the Tali thread I just had a peek in :


I just read this on
Destructoid.com where one of the journalists got a chance to ask some
more questions from Bioware...The part I felt was most interesting was
this...

"...One thing we’re going to keep an eye on is how people make use of each of the characters in Mass Effect 2. That will influence our decisions on the importance of those characters in the ongoing story into Mass Effect 3."


All
video game companies do this now due to most people being on-line. 
They leave a code in the game that uploads certain information to the
Developer they want to know.  e.g.
what guns are most used in a game, where does the player die the most
in a multiplayer map, etc.  So it seems Bioware is actually watching us
to see what characters we use the most during our playthroughs too! 

Combined with the Achievement/Cheat on your LI thread....well...hmm.

[Milana_Saros]

Jhosephine wrote...

I hope they split Kaidan away from Ash in ME3 and make him unique again, with his own dialogues, written for him and those who love him but I can't see how Bioware is going to do that since basically ALL LI's could be dead.

Agreed. I'm thinking about going through ME1/2 with far more Renegade Shep purely because in ME2 I've started to feel like Paragon Shepard's behavior is almost God like...you've been torn to shreds, ressurected and then forced to work for a company you hate and you STILL spill out goody-goody attitude and understanding for everyone? It really started to bother me as I went on....

I might consider persuading Kaidan to go more Renegade but it would seem that it has no impact whatsover to his behavior on Horizon? If that really is the case, then it sucks quite a bit.

I can somewhat understand a generalized approach to ME1 love interest's in ME2 but I'd really like them to separate them from each other in ME3. Altough...Liara already is kinda separated, having his own place and background on Illium. In a way it makes sense since she isn't Alliance like Kaidan/Ash but still...I'm a bit afraid that Kaidan/Ash will be left in the shadow more than Liara. Isn't she a star in that ME comic book or something? I hope it doesn't have an impact since I don't read the comic, I don't know the story. I only know the story I've built for my Shepard in the 2 games and I'd like my choices to REALLY have the impact we were promised.

The minute I heard that ME1 LI's aren't squad mates, I thought that the "part of telling a great action story is having a relationship with more meaning" (or something on the line) was a bit misleading...the Horizon scene dissapointed me a lot. I would've at least wanted to talk to Kaidan in private if only for a couple of minutes. Instead I get yelled at and one single email afterwards.

So they do indeed HAVE to punch it up for ME3. For each ME1 LI individually. Not whip up generalized, standard dialogue.

[Rappeldrache]

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Bioware promised us that we can further romance in ME2 Liara or Ashley or Kaidan. I'm really pissed that they broke their promission. Am I the only one?



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[Mobar]

Indeed. Give us our story back !! Don't turn this into another Gears of War clone (combatwise for instance)

I'm sure everybody on this forum would rather wait 6 months to a year longer for release then end up a bit disapointed.

To some of us the first ME had a personal touch, that to me was one of the things that made it so brilliant, so brilliant in fact that in every playtrough, my femshep looks exactly the same (I can now pretty much do the sliders by memory ) and makes almost exactly the same choices.

Maybe that is why I can't romance any other LI, both in  ME1 or 2, to me Shep is a loyal person, wich makes the whole cerberus thing all the more painful.

Bah

Modifié par Mobar, 10 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[Jhourney]

Mobar wrote...

Indeed. Give us our story back !! Don't turn this into another Gears of War clone (combatwise for instance)

I'm sure everybody on this forum would rather wait 6 months to a year longer for release then end up a bit disapointed.

To some of us the first ME had a personal touch, that to me was one of the things that made it so brilliant, so brilliant in fact that in every playtrough, my femshep looks exactly the same (I can now pretty much do the sliders by memory ) and makes almost exactly the same choices.

Maybe that is why I can't romance any other LI, both in  ME1 or 2, to me Shep is a loyal person, wich makes the whole cerberus thing all the more painful.

Bah

Same here, maybe the real reason I dislike the new LI's so much is simply because my heart isn't in it. They are just not compelling, even though they designed Thane just for women. My Shepard looks a certain way and that Shepard is for Kaidan, I can't look at her without seeing Kaidan at her side. Boy, I miss ME1 again hehe

Modifié par Jhosephine, 10 février 2010 - 11:09 .

[Mobar]

Jhosephine wrote...

Same here, maybe the real reason I dislike the new LI's so much is simply because my heart isn't in it. They are just not compelling, even though they designed Thane just for women. My Shepard looks a certain way and that Shepard is for Kaidan, I can't look at her without seeing Kaidan at her side. Boy, I miss ME1 again hehe

Indeed, picture waking up from being dead for two years, everything in your personal life has gone to royal hell instantly while the rest of the universe had the chance to slowly adapt.

It's kind of hard to believe that you would just go "Oh well, sh*t happens... who's this sexy looking fish guy over here?" I sure wouldn't !!! And judging from all the romance buildup in ME1 between Kaiden and Shep, I just find it hard to believe that he would!

And another thing I realy need to get off my chest:
a person that engages into a friendly conversation with somebody else and then jumps (with nothing leading to it what so ever) toward a direct tacky sexual advance is just not the kind of Shepard I imagined from ME1... I cannot imagine ever doing that myself IRL, unless I would loose all character and depth I ever possessed.

Modifié par Mobar, 10 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[Jhourney]

Well, I hope Bioware confirms or dismisses wether or not the ME1 LI's will be squadmates in ME3 soon. At least it will give some peace of mind, it's driving me crazy. Even if Kaidan won't be a part of my squad in ME3, I will still want to see the conclusion to the romance and buy ME3.
But not knowing if his role will be yet another cameo because he's just not popular with the large crowd or he'll be at my Shepard's side again, is frustrating.

BTW, someone tossed a poll on the non-spoiler forum social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1114628 about ME1 LI's. Vote for Kaidan

Modifié par Jhosephine, 10 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[sapphyreelf]

I've been playing through Mass Effect 1 again, and I just go to the night before Ilos.

[Jhourney]

sapphyreelf wrote...

I've been playing through Mass Effect 1 again, and I just go to the night before Ilos.

Rawr!
I'll be going through it on my Live gamertag starting tomorrow. BF needs to hook it up for me first in a way that my cat can't mess up the wiring hehe
If Bioware is truly monitoring data from Live, I'll make sure the Romance achievement for ME2 is not on that gamertag...ever! muahaha.

[BECC4]

TeenZombie wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

just throwin kaidan some love.

I really want Ashley back in ME3, and since Ash and kaidan's fates are clearly intertwined, I'm all for including Kaidan in the finale (for those of you who were heartless enough to let Ash ride the nuke )

We couldn't help it!!! 

I loved Ashley, and I still rate her higher than most of the new ME2 squadmates as one of my all time favorites.  But...but...

HEY!!!  You can't make me feel guilty, you nuked Kaidan!!! 

This was actually the toughest decision I had to make in ME1. 

Ash was my best friend Kaidan my boi, the paragon in me was saying that I shouldn't let my own feelings about Kaidan influence my decision but I couldn't help it. 

I sat staring at the screen for 10mins (in real life they would have both been dead!) in the end I came up with some crummy excuse about Kaidan being a better team mate (biotics) and I had to make sure the nuke went off (which he was with), truth be told the nuke would have gone off regardless and I took them both everywhere with me so even I knew my logic was flawed but I never could bring myself to nuke him so sorry Ash lovers!

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

In all honesty I think there is a chance that if you cheat the game may simply register your ME2 LI as your LI and you won't have the opportunity to reconcile with the one you had from ME.
The Devs did say that they wanted to conclude the romance in ME3 but that the romance you started out with might not necessarily be the one you end up with.

I don't know I think they're deliberately building for some serious drama, but maybe the reward is that you keep you original LI and the punishment is that no matter how much sweet talking you do they won't take you back.

Kind of like Kaidan comes to his senses and comes to stake his claim, only to find the woman he loves locked in the embrace of Garrus, mighty blow up ensues and if you try to get Kaidan back then you lose both, you can say I'm with Garrus now but it's not as fullfilling as Garrus never really knows if you wanted him or not so dumps you at the end anyway.

If you stayed faithful we get an e-mail saying Kaidan wants to meet you they exchange some nice words but end up fighting.  Shep goes back to her room to stare at the pic of Kaidan believing they will never get their issues resolved, Kaidan is still angry so storms up (EDI would have to be in on it) to catch Shep in an unexpected tender moment, maybe even a tear rolling down her cheek and we-hey sexy time ensues!!!!   End game has some kind of proposal where Shep and Kaidan live happily ever after!

Ok so I know I'm dreaming and prob being overly romantic but guess what?  I don't care

[BECC4]

Rappeldrache wrote...
Bioware promised us that we can further romance in ME2 Liara or Ashley or Kaidan. I'm really pissed that they broke their promission. Am I the only one?.

No but I'm really hoping they haven't actually broken their promise yet, ME3 is their chance to redeem themselves.

I won't make a sweeping statement about how I'll never buy their games because I will, even poor romances a la ME2 are better than no romances that most games offer and I still did have a romance in ME2, he was called Kaidan, I just didn't get to see all that much of him and he's a bit mad at me

[nobody1985]

BECC4 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

just throwin kaidan some love.

I really want Ashley back in ME3, and since Ash and kaidan's fates are clearly intertwined, I'm all for including Kaidan in the finale (for those of you who were heartless enough to let Ash ride the nuke )

We couldn't help it!!! 

I loved Ashley, and I still rate her higher than most of the new ME2 squadmates as one of my all time favorites.  But...but...

HEY!!!  You can't make me feel guilty, you nuked Kaidan!!! 

This was actually the toughest decision I had to make in ME1. 

Ash was my best friend Kaidan my boi, the paragon in me was saying that I shouldn't let my own feelings about Kaidan influence my decision but I couldn't help it. 

I sat staring at the screen for 10mins (in real life they would have both been dead!) in the end I came up with some crummy excuse about Kaidan being a better team mate (biotics) and I had to make sure the nuke went off (which he was with), truth be told the nuke would have gone off regardless and I took them both everywhere with me so even I knew my logic was flawed but I never could bring myself to nuke him so sorry Ash lovers!

Yes!!! I had the same problem  I don´t understand people who are happy about leaving one of them there to die That´s sick

[Jhourney]

Different people form different attachments to different characters. I will never understand all the fuss about Tali either, but to each their own. Nor will I ever understand why people dismiss Kaidan as being boring.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

From the Tali thread I just had a peek in :


I just read this on
Destructoid.com where one of the journalists got a chance to ask some
more questions from Bioware...The part I felt was most interesting was
this...

"...One thing we’re going to keep an eye on is how people make use of each of the characters in Mass Effect 2. That will influence our decisions on the importance of those characters in the ongoing story into Mass Effect 3."


All
video game companies do this now due to most people being on-line. 
They leave a code in the game that uploads certain information to the
Developer they want to know.  e.g.
what guns are most used in a game, where does the player die the most
in a multiplayer map, etc.  So it seems Bioware is actually watching us
to see what characters we use the most during our playthroughs too! 

Combined with the Achievement/Cheat on your LI thread....well...hmm.

This kinda makes me feel like I'm gonna hurl. Most people are going to play more than one save and if the save isn't a single Shep it's gonna look like they don't care at all for the old LI's. It only has to be one save...they could be faithful on 20 other saves and still it's gonna look the same. And a lot of people are just trying out the new LI's for the sake of trying them...it's not even that they like them...they just want to try out every aspect of the game. 

I guess the best way to counteract it is to play as many loyal to your old LI games as you can...but that info is depressing. And it doesn't look good...how can you track how a player is making use of Kaidan if he isn't even really in the game...except the stay loyal thing...and like I said a lot of people just try out the new LI's because they've got to try everything so there will probably be only a small minority of old LI loyalists in their info.

I can here it now...

Player:I stayed loyal to my old LI in my canon save.

Bioware: Yeah, but you had 20 other saves where you cheated so we didn't really think you cared much for your old LI so we threw him out the airlock.

[Conway044]

nobody1985 wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

just throwin kaidan some love.

I really want Ashley back in ME3, and since Ash and kaidan's fates are clearly intertwined, I'm all for including Kaidan in the finale (for those of you who were heartless enough to let Ash ride the nuke )

We couldn't help it!!! 

I loved Ashley, and I still rate her higher than most of the new ME2 squadmates as one of my all time favorites.  But...but...

HEY!!!  You can't make me feel guilty, you nuked Kaidan!!! 

This was actually the toughest decision I had to make in ME1. 

Ash was my best friend Kaidan my boi, the paragon in me was saying that I shouldn't let my own feelings about Kaidan influence my decision but I couldn't help it. 

I sat staring at the screen for 10mins (in real life they would have both been dead!) in the end I came up with some crummy excuse about Kaidan being a better team mate (biotics) and I had to make sure the nuke went off (which he was with), truth be told the nuke would have gone off regardless and I took them both everywhere with me so even I knew my logic was flawed but I never could bring myself to nuke him so sorry Ash lovers!

Yes!!! I had the same problem  I don´t understand people who are happy about leaving one of them there to die That´s sick

One was a rabid xenophobe and the other a gloomy wimp.  The non-human characters were all a lot more interesting. 
I'm hoping we have a choice as to who we can recruit in ME 3.  A set up where if you recruit character A. character C will not join up would be great.

[Cypher0020]

Yeah... I hate Virmire. Just got there last night. My Shep is this run knows how loyal Ash is, and to her family, lplus they have similar views on things.



But she also loves Kaidan, and he is an officer.....





I really wanna beat Saren down after the nuke choice...

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
This kinda makes me feel like I'm gonna hurl. Most people are going to play more than one save and if the save isn't a single Shep it's gonna look like they don't care at all for the old LI's. It only has to be one save...they could be faithful on 20 other saves and still it's gonna look the same. And a lot of people are just trying out the new LI's for the sake of trying them...it's not even that they like them...they just want to try out every aspect of the game. 

I guess the best way to counteract it is to play as many loyal to your old LI games as you can...but that info is depressing. And it doesn't look good...how can you track how a player is making use of Kaidan if he isn't even really in the game...except the stay loyal thing...and like I said a lot of people just try out the new LI's because they've got to try everything so there will probably be only a small minority of old LI loyalists in their info.

I can here it now...

Player:I stayed loyal to my old LI in my canon save.

Bioware: Yeah, but you had 20 other saves where you cheated so we didn't really think you cared much for your old LI so we threw him out the airlock.

Bare in mind that Bioware want real information on playing styles not just an excuse to remove party members, although they may look at the achievements I think it's more realistic that they will look at the data that is saved ready for import to ME3. 

I bet most players will have one save where they stayed faithful and I'm not just talking about the loud mouths on here, remember there are millions?  well a lot of players who will never look at the forums. 

They've promised that something good/bad will happen depending on your fidelity or infidelity as the case may be, I think Kaidan/Ash/Liara's involvement is already set in stone, I supect they don't know which others to include so will be using the data for that. 

BW isn't a company that caves to external pressure, most of the story arc will already be planned out, Garrus and Tali were originally going to be LI so they haven't actually caved, just reintroduced a feature they removed earlier.  They know where they're going with this game we just have to have faith.

Of course it doesn't hurt for us to stick around to show our loyalty and be the polite well behaved children that actually get what we want because we ask nicely for it

[BECC4]

Conway044 wrote...
One was a rabid xenophobe and the other a gloomy wimp.  The non-human characters were all a lot more interesting. 
I'm hoping we have a choice as to who we can recruit in ME 3.  A set up where if you recruit character A. character C will not join up would be great.

In your opinion, we do however agree on one thing, I don't want to have to include psycho's like Jack in my party whereas I would glady welcome back Kaidan/Ash/Liara.  I think the key to making everyone happy is choice.

[Jhourney]

BECC4 wrote..

BW isn't a company that caves to external pressure, most of the story arc will already be planned out, Garrus and Tali were originally going to be LI so they haven't actually caved, just reintroduced a feature they removed earlier.  They know where they're going with this game we just have to have faith.

Really? Because I remember Bioware being highly surprised there was such an interest in these characters, for they believed people wouldn't find them physically attractive. Never knew they planned to make them LI's before that. If that's true it makes me feel a bit better, surprisingly. 

Modifié par Jhosephine, 10 février 2010 - 01:27 .

[MICHELLE7]

Star58 wrote...

Every time I start to worry that Kaiden won't be back in a big way, I go to an IGN interview with Casey Hudson who talks about the ME 1 romance continuing into game 3.  I've posted the link below in case you haven't seen it.  The relevant paragraph(s) start on page 2.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1055366p2.html

I'm really trying to stay hopeful....2 years is such a long time to wait!
 

This is a few of the paragraphs:

People are worried that the love interest from the first game is not recruitable as a squad member in the second game. I think people put too much emphasis on whether importance to the story is equated to whether they are a squad member.

Because we wanted to make sure the love interest can remain an important and integral part of the story, we want that to continue into the third game. We have some really important things we want to resolve there. That means we can't have these characters that were your love interests in this suicide mission potentially getting killed and then blocking off that opportunity. They're part of the story. They're part of the ongoing love story but they're not your squad members so that we can be sure that we can bring that love story to its conclusion." 

But just because you started a relationship with one character, that doesn't mean you'll finish it with him or her. "I also think that some of the very same people who are worried that their love interest from the first one won't be a squad member will probably end up cheating on their love interest from Mass Effect 1 anyway," said Hudson. "The ones in Mass Effect 2 are really compelling. That will be an interesting thing, too, to see whether people can stay true to their Mass Effect 1 love interest on the level that you'd think they would. The great thing is that we can track this with Achievements and find out if people did this." 

All of the cheaters out there should prepare to become a statistic. Hudson told IGN that he thinks BioWare will make that data public. "That's part of what we're interested in doing in an ongoing basis," he explained, "to let players see how others are engaging in the Mass Effect story." 

This sounds contradictory to me:

We wanted to save your LI's so that they would be in ME3.

Who you started with may not be who you finish with...meaning that the ME2 LI could become your permanent LI. 

So your permanent LI could die in ME2 if it was a ME2 LI. So they aren't really saving the LI's...they are saving Kaidan/Ash and Liara. Etither that or it was just an excuse to push them to the side.

I hope that sounds logical...it's early in the morning here.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 10 février 2010 - 01:28 .

[Tatooine92]

All right. I must join in this, because I'm tired of being told that sticking with Kaidan is "silly." My Shepard stayed FERVENTLY loyal to him; she never even flirted ONCE. It helped that she had his picture on her desk to remind her of what's important to her.



As for the blowup, she handled it gently, not returning anger with anger. That's my good girl. *pats her on the head* She's waiting for him to come back, because Normandy isn't Normandy without him!



And as for why I like him, I lost the list I made a long time ago. Yes, I honestly made a handwritten list of why I liked Kaidan because so many people were gawking at me and going "Why the hell?!" He's sweet. He's loyal. He's voiced by Raphael Sbarge. Mmm... Raphael Sbarge's voice is the yummiest on the planet. *koff koff*



Dear BioWare: Please, please, PLEASE let my FemShep's loyalty pay off in the next game. I would pleeeeeeeeease like a happy ending, okay? Pretty please with sugar on top?



...okay, I'll stop now.