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On another subject...
The actual end credits song from ME1 turns out to be more fitting then I ever imagined.
I always loved it, thought it was perfect to end the story.

Lyrics:

Lyrics to M4 Part II by the Faunts :
I have wondered about you
Where will you be when all this is through
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem my life again?

Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes you’re on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can’t make it on my own

Modifié par Mobar, 11 février 2010 - 03:03 .


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solvill wrote...

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cpolisch wrote...

I've played 3 times now, and I always rush through up until Horizon and then I am like "what was I doing?" and it all kinda slows down from there, as I spend more time at the terminal reading that email than doing anything productive.

Though who's to say that's NOT productive?


I do the same thing...it's kinda downhill after Horizon...everything else seems dull cause you know there is no more Kaidan and you keep going back to the email. What spurs me on is the picture scene...not as good as interacting with Kai Kai but it at least gives me a reason to finish the game.


Right after Horizon i'm losing intrest and the worst thing is you can't save game before meeting Kaidan if I would want to see that scene again  i have to fight
There should be another mail while you finsh game
or like Liara he could be somewhere on citadel that i could see him in this sexy armor
has any of you visit anderson after destroing collectors base he say something ??


I think I did...talked to Joker too...none of them have any new options. I kept hoping Edi would inform me that I had a new email or something but It never happened...then again I didn't do too much after destroying the collectors base anyway...just kinda continued so that I could pick up later if I wanted to and for any DLC's I might be interested in.

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Jhosephine wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...
I also thought it was odd that Garrus never mentions the events on Horizon once you return to the Normandy.  I liked that he tries to defend you while actually on Horizon, but I expected more conversations about it later on.


Never got that myself, I think that if you either have Miranda or Jacob with you they say something. At least Garrus never defended my Shep and that's the only explanation I can think of. Who did you bring?

I've always hated that your companions - any of them, really - don't notice what happens to you.  Especially if you're involved with someone, they should care about you and your feelings.  A little love for the PC would be VERY nice.  Everyone else always dumps their problems at my PC's feet, but noone wants to hear about mine.

ME is so good about giving me the ultimate ego trip - I AM the best and baddest in the universe, I AM the only way we'll win, I AM the hero, yet noone really wants to know about me???   Where's MY shoulder to cry on? Why can't someone want to protect me?  The closest they got to that in ME2 was when Kaiden didn't want to leave me on Normandy #1.

I want my love interest to ask me about things - are you okay with what happended at such and such....how did u know so and so and was it serious....are you hurt....   Or tell me they're here for me if I need them or how awesome I was in the last battle or how hot I look in my armor......*something*.

ME is not known for it's in-depth relationships, though.  I would kiss every writer on the lips and do the hula if they would give me more than a couple lines per game and I would dance nekkid in a pile of ME game cases if they let us talk to our romanceables somewhere besides the same spot on the ship.

I know these things take time and money, but throw us a bone (um, so to speak).  I'm really hoping that in ME3, I will get to torment Kaiden a little with the thought of me moving on after he told me off.  Oh, I want him back, but I want him to suffer a little for being such a butthole.  (Well, in one of my playthroughs I want him back.  I actually romanced Thane in my first playthrough and am saving myself for Kaiden in the second.)

I hope the ME writers get to (and will) add more romance to ME3.  Love makes the world go round, right? :D

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Anyone notice that ash is pretty low on that poll? That is disappointing. One shebis a great character. I liked her a lot better than Miranda. Two there's no Kai Kai without ash.


Try posting the link on the support Ash thread or in the Ash group somewhere. Lot of people don't even look at the polls. I don't know if Bioware checks any of them out or not...I think there might have been a couple of "official"(or so it said) polls concerning more of the technical aspects of the game but nothing on storyline,characters,or romances. It's fun to vote even if they don't check them out.  

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Trying to keep up with all polls etc where I can vote on Kaidan and it seems you guys are too, he seems to come out well votewise and not surprisingly a lot of Kaidan was dull going on still. Heh. Some things never change.


Funny that you mentioned the polls since that's where I was and I was about to post this...anyway

Poll report: 

For those that voted (or didn't) for romance most wanted in ME3

Tali is still in the lead at 30% with 38 votes.

However, as of this moment Kaidan has pulled ahead of Miranda for second place at 20% with 26 votes to Miranda's 18% at 23 votes.

You can find the poll here:
http://social.biowar...975/polls/2074/

If you feel like getting even you might check out this poll: 
http://social.biowar...530/polls/2076/


Feels like a horse race... the top poll now stands at 

Tali at 28% with 42 votes

Kaidan at 24% with 36 votes

Miranda at 17% with 25 votes

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 11 février 2010 - 03:16 .


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Mobar wrote...

On another subject...
The actual end credits song from ME1 turns out to be more fitting then I ever imagined.
I always loved it, thought it was perfect to end the story.

Lyrics:

Lyrics to M4 Part II by the Faunts :
I have wondered about you
Where will you be when all this is through
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem my life again?

Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes you’re on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can’t make it on my own


Wow, I loved that song before I thought about it like that, but those lyrics ARE incredibly fitting for the situation.  I do hate how ridiculous it is to see that scene, considering it refuses to let you save right before it because its still in combat.

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Mobar wrote...

On another subject...
The actual end credits song from ME1 turns out to be more fitting then I ever imagined.
I always loved it, thought it was perfect to end the story.

Lyrics:

Lyrics to M4 Part II by the Faunts :
I have wondered about you
Where will you be when all this is through
If all goes as planned
Will you redeem my life again?

Fire the fields the weed is sown
Water down your empty soul
Wake the sea of silent hope
Water down your empty soul

Fight your foes you’re on your own
Holy war is on the phone
Asking to please stay on hold
The bleeding loss of blood runs cold

And I need you to recover
Because I can’t make it on my own


Very haunting...and yeah a perfect choice.

if anyone wants to see the music vid of the group heres the link...the crab thing is really weird.



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I'm a sad cookie that Kaidan doesn't translate so well into my style when I attempt to draw him. *Sighs* Oh well, I fail 80% of the time when I try to draw a guy. But maybe that's for the best. :lol:

Posted Image

*Bows to Lady Winde and her awesome skills*

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Love not only makes the world go round, but under certain circumstances has been known to provide a bonus to skill checks. *

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Darazelly wrote...

I'm a sad cookie that Kaidan doesn't translate so well into my style when I attempt to draw him. *Sighs* Oh well, I fail 80% of the time when I try to draw a guy. But maybe that's for the best. :lol:

*Bows to Lady Winde and her awesome skills*


Hey, you have a distinctive style and I like it! I was kind of the same way for a long time, I had the hardest time drawing guys, until I took a drawing class in college with live (nude!) models and it clicked. Another good way to learn to draw guys is to check out comic book art, even something like "How to Draw the Marvel Way" had good tips for me. Keep it up! Posted Image

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I just voted in the poll! Kaidan is now tied with Tali. :D

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crimsonrhodelia wrote...

I just voted in the poll! Kaidan is now tied with Tali. :D


Didn't realise I hadn't already voted!  He's now in the lead!

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BECC4 wrote...

crimsonrhodelia wrote...

I just voted in the poll! Kaidan is now tied with Tali. :D


Didn't realise I hadn't already voted!  He's now in the lead!


I guess I'm just mean but it is so good to see Kaidan ahead of Tali...I feel like I'm floating on air.

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TeenZombie wrote...

Darazelly wrote...

I'm a sad cookie that Kaidan doesn't translate so well into my style when I attempt to draw him. *Sighs* Oh well, I fail 80% of the time when I try to draw a guy. But maybe that's for the best. :lol:

*Bows to Lady Winde and her awesome skills*


Hey, you have a distinctive style and I like it! I was kind of the same way for a long time, I had the hardest time drawing guys, until I took a drawing class in college with live (nude!) models and it clicked. Another good way to learn to draw guys is to check out comic book art, even something like "How to Draw the Marvel Way" had good tips for me. Keep it up! Posted Image


At least someone can draw out of their head...I have to see it to draw it...at least people anyway.

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About Horizon..... who else wanted drip acid and molten lava slowly over TIM while simaltaniously(sp) tearing him apart piece by piece after he told you he set up the whole thing:devil:


  Nope, I'll just make him regret every credit he ever spent bringing me back, by making him watch as I pull his empire down around his ears.  First Miranda and the Normandy, then the Collector base.  And believe me, this is just for starters.....

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

Darazelly wrote...

I'm a sad cookie that Kaidan doesn't translate so well into my style when I attempt to draw him. *Sighs* Oh well, I fail 80% of the time when I try to draw a guy. But maybe that's for the best. :lol:

*Bows to Lady Winde and her awesome skills*


Hey, you have a distinctive style and I like it! I was kind of the same way for a long time, I had the hardest time drawing guys, until I took a drawing class in college with live (nude!) models and it clicked. Another good way to learn to draw guys is to check out comic book art, even something like "How to Draw the Marvel Way" had good tips for me. Keep it up! Posted Image


At least someone can draw out of their head...I have to see it to draw it...at least people anyway.

I have the exact same problem.  I'm like a sketching xerox machine.  Copy this?  OKay!  Draw something original?  Uh...

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BECC4 wrote...

cpolisch wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

About Horizon..... who else wanted drip acid and molten lava slowly over TIM while simaltaniously(sp) tearing him apart piece by piece after he told you he set up the whole thing:devil:


Me!!!


LOL! That's the mild version of what I wanted to do to him, God at that point I hated him so much, I don't think I've ever felt so much hatred towards anyone, real or not.  I really hope we get to be an instrument in his demise in ME3, he needs to feel pain!


Being a fan of the Harry Potter books , yes I said it, he has now surpassed my haterd(sp) even for Umbridge, which i thought was imposable.

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You hate TIM more than Umbridge? Wow, did not know that was possible.

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

Adynata wrote...

I fought that monstrous collector over and over thinking I had screwed up the Kaidan conversation, but that proved to be fruitless. And that monstrous collector was hard. A pile of tires just doesn't provide the protection one needs from a monstrous collector.


And for some reason it always bears down on my Shep...never goes after my squad members. I was very thankful for the particle beam...best weapon in the game in my opinion.

 Mine to until i made the Cain weapon:devil:, one shot instant death......can i use it on TIM?

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n2nw wrote...

I know these things take time and money, but throw us a bone (um, so to speak).  I'm really hoping that in ME3, I will get to torment Kaiden a little with the thought of me moving on after he told me off.  Oh, I want him back, but I want him to suffer a little for being such a butthole. 


I agree and am hoping for something similar.
As much as I want him back, I'd like him to squirm a little bit and have to work to get back in Shep's favor.

Was re-reading that infamous email again last night and got kind of irked again. After mentioning the night before Ilos, he makes a comment about how a lot has happened in the past 2 years and he just can't put that aside.

It irked me because I had it in my head that hey, when did she ask him to put anything aside? okay well she did ask him to join her mission (if you took that dialogue option), but there wasn't any inference on Shep's part about their personal relationship. It wasn't like she saw him and jumped in his arms yelling " I demand that you take me back and love me forever, you sexy thing" (altho' I'm sure the temptation was there...). As we've seen Shep is 100% professional most of the time, especially in front of her crew.

So I pondered over it a bit and realize that yes, the email was meant to show that after seeing her and his initial negative reactions on Horizon, he was concentrating on their personal relationship, and sort of thinking out loud...perhaps talking more to himself than her and trying to make sense of things?

As has been said before, seeing someone that you were sure was dead standing in front of you...then maybe thinking temporarily that she may have not died and was just avoiding you? especially when it's essentially the love of your life...sure it's something that would make even the strongest of us falter a bit....

All of that I understand and I have much sympathy for his character, I really do...but there's still this part of me that after putting myself in my Femshep's shoes, that is angry that this person who supposedly loved her and was so torn up after she died would question her ethics/loyalty like that and not trust that she was doing what she was doing for the right reasons, especially when Tali, Garrus, Joker and Dr. Chakwas accepted it....but on the flip side, I do get that he sort of spontaneously reacted because he was shocked, hurt angry and concerned about the cerberus thing....sometimes when we are rattled we run the risk of acting like an ass...:mellow:

Yes I know, it's part of the plot and was likely put in the game because the devs needed a reason to keep the ME1 LI's out of the loop, and what better way to do that then to create conflict? and I like that they had them send an email because it did add hope for the future, so to speak...

But I'm just rambling :D, and thinking for my Femshep...she loves the man but will see to her duty and will do whatever she can to save the galaxy. Hopefully it will ultimately be with Kaidan at her side, but for that to happen, I'd like to see some groveling on his part...If I were Femshep (and in reality I am, as are all of you) I'd expect that he would have to really put in some time and effort to proving his love and dedication to me after what occurred...and I'd likely have to do the same, albeit for slightly different reasons.

It's hard to maintain a healthy and happy relationship when your trying to save the galaxy :D......but it's possible, and hopefully when the next game comes out, we'll see the evidence of that.

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 Mine to until i made the Cain weapon:devil:, one shot instant death......can i use it on TIM?


At the risk of sounding like a ******, I made the Cain but never managed to fire it, I am missing something, is there some special way to charge it up or something?

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You have to have a certain percentage of ammo I think to fire it. I got it off once for the Heavy Weapons achievement and then quickly went back to my Collector Particle Beam. God, that weapon was awesome.



Throw up Barrier. Unleash Particle Beam goodness. Duck/Cover. Rinse/Repeat as necessary.

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sberna78, I first want to say that I see where you're coming from, and I think Shep would have a right to be ticked at Kaidan. However, I think it's a little more complicated than that.



Joker leaves the Alliance because they ground him, so he has something of a grudge. Garrus is the rogue cop type who has not allegiance to the Alliance, of course. The doc also has something of a grudge against the Alliance because she wasn't happy with her assignment. Kaidan, however, is Alliance through and through.



I'm not trying to say that I think he blindly follows. ME1 shows us that he's not above breaking the rules if he thinks it's necessary. What I am saying is that we really don't know what info Kaidan has. In ME2, we're not seeing the Alliance side of what's happening, just the Cerberus side--and we know that TIM is not exactly a reliable or ethical source. All Kaidan knows is that he's hearing rumors Shep isn't dead, but it's been two years and he's had nary a word from her. I'd be ticked if I were in his shoes. Add to this the fact that the Alliance suspects Cerberus has something to do with the missing colonists and, well, you kind of have a recipe for disaster.



My take is that when Kaidan sees Shep, all of these mixed up emotions come flying to the surface. Seeing someone you thought was dead suddenly standing before you would be an enormous shock, to say the least. He thought he'd moved on, but he realizes he's still in love with her. Then he's angry because she didn't contact him. Then he's suspicious because she's working for Cerberus, even after all they witnessed during the events of ME1. I really can see where Kaidan is coming from.



As for the e-mail, I think it's a stellar example of just how mixed up he is. He's still in love and wants to believe her, but he's not privy to the same information she has. He's confused about why she's working for Cerberus and, of course, there would be a whole lot to deal with in the aftermath of finding that his loved one isn't dead, two years after her supposed death. I can imagine that Kaidan went through all of the steps of grief and then, just as he thinks maybe he's getting his life back together, Shep drops back into his life.



I guess what I'm saying is that Kaidan has been through a whole lot, too. This isn't to discount Shep's experiences. I think we all know that Shep has some enormous issues to wade through, but so does Kaidan. I'm just looking at both perspectives here. I think Kaidan has good reasons for reacting as he does, and I also think Shep has good reasons to be hurt and angry that Kaidan wouldn't even give her a chance to explain anything.

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SweetiePea wrote...

sberna78, I first want to say that I see where you're coming from, and I think Shep would have a right to be ticked at Kaidan. However, I think it's a little more complicated than that.

Joker leaves the Alliance because they ground him, so he has something of a grudge. Garrus is the rogue cop type who has not allegiance to the Alliance, of course. The doc also has something of a grudge against the Alliance because she wasn't happy with her assignment. Kaidan, however, is Alliance through and through.

I'm not trying to say that I think he blindly follows. ME1 shows us that he's not above breaking the rules if he thinks it's necessary. What I am saying is that we really don't know what info Kaidan has. In ME2, we're not seeing the Alliance side of what's happening, just the Cerberus side--and we know that TIM is not exactly a reliable or ethical source. All Kaidan knows is that he's hearing rumors Shep isn't dead, but it's been two years and he's had nary a word from her. I'd be ticked if I were in his shoes. Add to this the fact that the Alliance suspects Cerberus has something to do with the missing colonists and, well, you kind of have a recipe for disaster.

My take is that when Kaidan sees Shep, all of these mixed up emotions come flying to the surface. Seeing someone you thought was dead suddenly standing before you would be an enormous shock, to say the least. He thought he'd moved on, but he realizes he's still in love with her. Then he's angry because she didn't contact him. Then he's suspicious because she's working for Cerberus, even after all they witnessed during the events of ME1. I really can see where Kaidan is coming from.

As for the e-mail, I think it's a stellar example of just how mixed up he is. He's still in love and wants to believe her, but he's not privy to the same information she has. He's confused about why she's working for Cerberus and, of course, there would be a whole lot to deal with in the aftermath of finding that his loved one isn't dead, two years after her supposed death. I can imagine that Kaidan went through all of the steps of grief and then, just as he thinks maybe he's getting his life back together, Shep drops back into his life.

I guess what I'm saying is that Kaidan has been through a whole lot, too. This isn't to discount Shep's experiences. I think we all know that Shep has some enormous issues to wade through, but so does Kaidan. I'm just looking at both perspectives here. I think Kaidan has good reasons for reacting as he does, and I also think Shep has good reasons to be hurt and angry that Kaidan wouldn't even give her a chance to explain anything.


Quoted, because I wholeheartedly agree with everything you just wrote.

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Celestria129 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Adynata wrote...

I fought that monstrous collector over and over thinking I had screwed up the Kaidan conversation, but that proved to be fruitless. And that monstrous collector was hard. A pile of tires just doesn't provide the protection one needs from a monstrous collector.




And for some reason it always bears down on my Shep...never goes after my squad members. I was very thankful for the particle beam...best weapon in the game in my opinion.

 Mine to until i made the Cain weapon:devil:, one shot instant death......can i use it on TIM?



I think I would like for him to suffer a slow agonizing death...anyone got any ideas?