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[sapphyreelf]

Get Mordin to make you something for it!

[Mrs Templar]

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

[Mobar]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Adynata wrote...

I fought that monstrous collector over and over thinking I had screwed up the Kaidan conversation, but that proved to be fruitless. And that monstrous collector was hard. A pile of tires just doesn't provide the protection one needs from a monstrous collector.

And for some reason it always bears down on my Shep...never goes after my squad members. I was very thankful for the particle beam...best weapon in the game in my opinion.

 Mine to until i made the Cain weapon:devil:, one shot instant death......can i use it on TIM?

I think I would like for him to suffer a slow agonizing death...anyone got any ideas?

I always wanted to shoot him right into that star behind him.

Munch popcorn as he slowly evaporates... *Waves at Tim* Charlie Sheen did a good job though.

Modifié par Mobar, 11 février 2010 - 06:18 .

[MICHELLE7]

sberna78 wrote...

Was re-reading that infamous email again last night and got kind of irked again. After mentioning the night before Ilos, he makes a comment about how a lot has happened in the past 2 years and he just can't put that aside.

I kinda wondered if he wasn't hinting at something specific that he felt like he couldn't tell Shepard because he didn't know who might be reading the emails. Something to do with the Alliance...I guess I've still got that part in my mind...that his files are highly classified. 

As we've seen Shep is 100% professional most of the time, especially in front of her crew.

Unless she talks to Jacob:(

[freelovefreeway]

I get a little anxious when people talk about making Kaidan squirm. I acknowledge that it needs to be a growing experience for both of them as they figure out what it means to be together again. I also think there needs to be a dialogue option in there to express how some Shepards are upset--although not upset enough to have dropped him and moved on to a new LI. Those are legitimate feelings that those Shepards should be able to have addressed. I'm just crossing my fingers it is done via the dialogue tree and not another way.

If all Shepards just act angry towards Kaidan to the point that the...good part...of the reunion is postponed because Shepard is angry about the Horizon thing, then I'm going to be annoyed. I just hope Shepard being angry isn't going to be used as an easy excuse to draw out the romance. If they are going to draw it out for awhile, then I hope they come up with a better reason because my Shepard's main concern at this point is just getting back to the lovin.

[Mobar]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

sberna78 wrote...

Was re-reading that infamous email again last night and got kind of irked again. After mentioning the night before Ilos, he makes a comment about how a lot has happened in the past 2 years and he just can't put that aside.

I kinda wondered if he wasn't hinting at something specific that he felt like he couldn't tell Shepard because he didn't know who might be reading the emails. Something to do with the Alliance...I guess I've still got that part in my mind...that his files are highly classified. 

As we've seen Shep is 100% professional most of the time, especially in front of her crew.

Unless she talks to Jacob:(

Indeed... made me stop talking to him.

[syllogi]

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[MICHELLE7]

SweetiePea wrote...


My take is that when Kaidan sees Shep, all of these mixed up emotions come flying to the surface. Seeing someone you thought was dead suddenly standing before you would be an enormous shock, to say the least. He thought he'd moved on, but he realizes he's still in love with her. Then he's angry because she didn't contact him. Then he's suspicious because she's working for Cerberus, even after all they witnessed during the events of ME1. I really can see where Kaidan is coming from.

I agreed with your post but just wanted to say that after reading this paragraph I'm actually surprised that he reacted as well as he did.

And feeling that Shep hadn't contacted him for two years...I'm sure he was feeling abandoned by her just like he felt abandoned by Rahna...old wounds. He reacted better than I would have...I would have probably been crying like a baby.

[Mobar]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I'm sure he was feeling abandoned by her just like he felt abandoned by Rahna...old wounds. He reacted better than I would have...I would have probably been crying like a baby.

Wait a second... (I'm mister all-playtroughs-are-allmost-100%-simular)

Rahna?

[MICHELLE7]

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

Yeah, I kinda wondered why Liara didn't at least let him know something...she had to know what he was going through since she knew the two of them were an item but it could have been she was just too ashamed of giving Shep's body to Cerberus to say anything...it takes her a while to even tell Shep.

[sberna78]

SweetiePea wrote...
Joker leaves the Alliance because they ground him, so he has something of a grudge. Garrus is the rogue cop type who has not allegiance to the Alliance, of course. The doc also has something of a grudge against the Alliance because she wasn't happy with her assignment. Kaidan, however, is Alliance through and through.

The more that I think about it, you make some excellent points here...Garrus has essentially nothing to do with the Alliance and Joker and Chakwas do sort of have a reason to be giving them the finger.

But Kaidan is a lifer, so to speak....dedicated to his career and it'd probably take an act of god in order for him to turn his back on that, his strong sense of honor and duty is one of the reasons that he's so damn attractive and compelling IMO.

I guess what I'm saying is that Kaidan has been through a whole lot, too. This isn't to discount Shep's experiences. I think we all know that Shep has some enormous issues to wade through, but so does Kaidan. I'm just looking at both perspectives here. I think Kaidan has good reasons for reacting as he does, and I also think Shep has good reasons to be hurt and angry that Kaidan wouldn't even give her a chance to explain anything.

I think that's what got to me (and maybe others) was that he wouldn't give her the chance to explain. It was just sort of a "blow up" (and understandable one at that) and then goodbye. I get that considering the situation, they didn't have a whole lot of time to talk....both had a job to do and that would take precedence over personal chitchat.....but I don't know, I guess there's just a big part of me that wishes he'd have listened a little more. I'm getting that it all likely atm when in one ear and out the other simply due to the fact that he was so upset. I get the impression that Shep could have told him that she was covered with pink and purple polka dots and about to run away and join the circus and he wouldn't have really listened.

It was like all that was going through his mind was "Shep+Cerberus.....Shep is really alive...Shep+Cerberus OMG :o"

Your right about the email methinks, it is an example of how mixed up and off the wall his feelings/emotions must be.

I can't imagine what it would feel like in order to lose someone like that, someone that you loved so much and then to grieve for them, then to start to take the steps to going on with your life (as you know your loved one would want you to do), start feeling like yourself again and then KABLAM!!! the universe punches you in the gut again, you hear rumors that your loved one is alive....why haven't they contacted you? did they really me in return? are they really working with those b**tards? then here they are, standing in front of you....in the flesh.

I'm sure Kaidan was just starting to get a hold on things and then as he put it in the email "everything just pulled hard to port".....things start to make sense again and then they are crazy.

I still would like to see Kaidan really have to put in some effort if he wants to re-ignite the spark between him and Shep, and I totally believe that she'd have to put some effort in there too...it's not one a one sided thing, they both have things to answer for and I'm really hoping that we'll see some really good in depth discussionsand interactions between the two of them in ME3.

I realize it's wishful thinking as the devs probably have their situations/scenes between the LI's already in mind....but I would LOVE to see an emotional Shep/Kaidain confrontation....perhaps during downtime on the ship, where one of them confronts the other with that "we have to talk"  and fireworks ensue. I'd like to see Kaidain confess in person exactly how messed up everything made him, Shep confront him about not having faith in her and things go on from there....could either turn out positive or negative depending on the dialogue choices you make....I Imagine the Ashley lovers emotional confrontation scenario could play out in a similar fashion.

Also I do have to say that I really am enjoying the discussions on this thread...it's extraordinarily cool that we can all sit here and chat about the character's ideas/motivations and toss out theories when we aren't playing the games, I think it's a lot of fun...

And yes, the shirtless Kaidan/Various other Kaidan pics do make me smile:wub:...I come here mostly for the discussions ...but those pics and these fantastic drawings y'all are providing are really the icing on the cake :happy:

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

Yeah, I kinda wondered why Liara didn't at least let him know something...she had to know what he was going through since she knew the two of them were an item but it could have been she was just too ashamed of giving Shep's body to Cerberus to say anything...it takes her a while to even tell Shep.

A while?  Lol, you practically have to beat it out of her!

[Isaantia]

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

What could she tell him? BTW, the Collectors were after Shepard's body for some reason and so I saved it from them and gave it Cerberus, who want to resurect her, instead. So expect to see her around sometime.

I can't imagine Kaiden taking that well. Even Liara seems to regret that choice and thinks that you will hate her for it. She seemed to not want anyone to know that she did that.  And its not just Cerberus, per se, but that you're being reanimated. Its rather unnatural.

[sberna78]

freelovefreeway wrote...

I get a little anxious when people talk about making Kaidan squirm. I acknowledge that it needs to be a growing experience for both of them as they figure out what it means to be together again. I also think there needs to be a dialogue option in there to express how some Shepards are upset--although not upset enough to have dropped him and moved on to a new LI. Those are legitimate feelings that those Shepards should be able to have addressed. I'm just crossing my fingers it is done via the dialogue tree and not another way.
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When I said that I'd like to see him squirm, I basically meant something similar to what you touched upon here....I'd like a direct confronation...I'm willing to listen to him explain how messed up he was then and how hurt, etc....but I want the opportunity for my Shep to let him know that it really hurt when he didn't seem to have faith in her, especially since he was really the first person she'd ever felt that she could really open up and be herself with. Most of the time Shep is Shep the leader/super soldier/hero...but with him she had an opportunity, even for a little while to be just "Shep", and that meant a lot to her.

She needs to be able to get some of those hurt feelings out in the open....Seing "I'm sorry" in an email is good....but I'd like to hear him say it, with his voice and those eyes...I believe that both of their feelings need to be acknowledged and dealt with....with hopefully a positive outcome.

And yes totally, just because she's upset doesn't mean that she doesn't want to be with him...that could be stressed as well....

Modifié par sberna78, 11 février 2010 - 06:50 .

[MICHELLE7]

freelovefreeway wrote...

I get a little anxious when people talk about making Kaidan squirm. I acknowledge that it needs to be a growing experience for both of them as they figure out what it means to be together again. I also think there needs to be a dialogue option in there to express how some Shepards are upset--although not upset enough to have dropped him and moved on to a new LI. Those are legitimate feelings that those Shepards should be able to have addressed. I'm just crossing my fingers it is done via the dialogue tree and not another way.
If all Shepards just act angry towards Kaidan to the point that the...good part...of the reunion is postponed because Shepard is angry about the Horizon thing, then I'm going to be annoyed. I just hope Shepard being angry isn't going to be used as an easy excuse to draw out the romance. If they are going to draw it out for awhile, then I hope they come up with a better reason because my Shepard's main concern at this point is just getting back to the lovin.

I think the picture scene kinda lets us know that if she is angry it won't be for long. 

I don't know...I kinda see her more angry at the situation than at him. She didn't ask to work for Cerberus nor did she volunteer...they were just the only ones that were ready to go up against the Collectors. She really had no where else to turn.

If she is mad I would think it would be more along the lines of "Where were you when I needed you?" instead of "Why didn't you trust me?" because I think if given the option she wouldn't have worked with Cerberus in the first place.

She does find out over the course of the game that she can't trust them...why should Kaidan(and from his viewpoint she's one of them)...I think that the fact that he sends that email says volumes about how much he loves her...cause he's doing his best to set aside his feelings about Cerberus to contact her(even though I'm sure he probably still doesn't know what to believe). I mean she does seem to go against everything they stood for in the first game...he's probably thinking...did I even know her? Well I guess he actually says that though...something about not knowing either of them anymore.

Now I'm rambling.

[Celestria129]

Isaantia wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

What could she tell him? BTW, the Collectors were after Shepard's body for some reason and so I saved it from them and gave it Cerberus, who want to resurect her, instead. So expect to see her around sometime.

I can't imagine Kaiden taking that well. Even Liara seems to regret that choice and thinks that you will hate her for it. She seemed to not want anyone to know that she did that.  And its not just Cerberus, per se, but that you're being reanimated. Its rather unnatural.

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

Yeah, I kinda wondered why Liara didn't at least let him know something...she had to know what he was going through since she knew the two of them were an item but it could have been she was just too ashamed of giving Shep's body to Cerberus to say anything...it takes her a while to even tell Shep.

A while?  Lol, you practically have to beat it out of her!

It's very easy to miss it...if you select the wrong dialog option. 

[Isaantia]

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

[Jhourney]

Excellent posts. I just keep crossing my fingers and hope Bioware will insert a lot of detail in Kaidan/Shepard's relationship because that's what it is now, regardless of the two years they lost. No matter how distorted the relationship may be, it is what it is.



But, count the dialogues you got in ME1 with Kaidan prior to the lovescene and then count the dialogues of the new LI's in ME2. There isn't exactly a whole lot of them and ME2 seems to have taken a step back when it comes to bodylanguage and tension between characters imo, at least with femShep's LI's.



Which is why I still hope they will give something of a headstart through mail DLCs.

[BECC4]

I don't think Kaidan would be that vindictive I do think it would have been an interstinh scene to veiw kaidan trying to hold it together being the one on charge after shep's death I bet even he lost it for a moment

[Taimae]

Another Kaiden appreciater here! *waves* I hope it's alright to join in.



I think like most people here, I had the rude awakening of the Horizon experience. Not knowing what to expect, I remember being exciting knowing that, even if he wouldn't be on the team, he'd at least have a cameo. Of course, my emotions went from "Omg, yay Kaiden!" to "Why are you yelling at me!?"

Of course, it was a real downer at first and I was super ticked. I was very tempted to just end things like that. I was thinking "Bioware, what the hell?" It seemed pretty harsh, but after cooling off and reading the email, it would make sense.You're starting to move on with your life finally, and then it all comes rushing back to you..



Really, we couldn't expect things to go back the way they were right away; it's the bump in the road that most relationships face (perhaps this bump is a bit bigger than others). Just a shame they didn't offer the reply option for the email you receive, or go back and talk to him like you would Liara or Wrex. But, I guess we shall find out how things continue in the third game~



Also, I suppose the absense of Kaiden is good for those who didn't paticularly want to romance him in the first place (I have a friend who really didn't care for him at all), and to instead go after a different relationship.



I'm sure we'll see him in the 3rd game. I just hope that this time he'll be a party member~ Or that we can at least talk to him more than just once.

[MICHELLE7]

Celestria129 wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

Mrs Templar wrote...

I kind of think Liara should have told Kaidan something about Shepard. Probably not the whole Cerberus aspect, but something about not giving up hope. I am not sure it would have made a difference in the scheme of things but she could have tried.

What could she tell him? BTW, the Collectors were after Shepard's body for some reason and so I saved it from them and gave it Cerberus, who want to resurect her, instead. So expect to see her around sometime.

I can't imagine Kaiden taking that well. Even Liara seems to regret that choice and thinks that you will hate her for it. She seemed to not want anyone to know that she did that.  And its not just Cerberus, per se, but that you're being reanimated. Its rather unnatural.

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

Yeah, I kinda wondered what kind of scene that would have been.

[n2nw]

sberna78 wrote...Was re-reading that infamous email again last night and got kind of irked again. After mentioning the night before Ilos, he makes a comment about how a lot has happened in the past 2 years and he just can't put that aside.

GRRRRRRR!  Yeah, being dead was really my idea.

sberna78 wrote
As has been said before, seeing someone that you were sure was dead standing in front of you...then maybe thinking temporarily that she may have not died and was just avoiding you? especially when it's essentially the love of your life...sure it's something that would make even the strongest of us falter a bit....

Please.  I would have tackled him and taken him right there in front of Jacob and Garrus.  But Kaiden is much more reserved than I.

sberna78 wrote
All of that I understand and I have much sympathy for his character, I really do...but there's still this part of me that after putting myself in my Femshep's shoes, that is angry that this person who supposedly loved her and was so torn up after she died would question her ethics/loyalty like that and not trust that she was doing what she was doing for the right reasons, especially when Tali, Garrus, Joker and Dr. Chakwas accepted it....

Exactly.

SweetiePea wrote...
I guess what I'm saying is that Kaidan has been through a whole lot, too. This isn't to discount Shep's experiences. I think we all know that Shep has some enormous issues to wade through, but so does Kaidan. I'm just looking at both perspectives here. I think Kaidan has good reasons for reacting as he does, and I also think Shep has good reasons to be hurt and angry that Kaidan wouldn't even give her a chance to explain anything.

If I loved someone that much, I would at least give them a chance, especially when I find out that they've been dead.

freelovefreeway wrote...
I get a little anxious when people talk about making Kaidan squirm. I acknowledge that it needs to be a growing experience for both of them as they figure out what it means to be together again. I also think there needs to be a dialogue option in there to express how some Shepards are upset--although not upset enough to have dropped him and moved on to a new LI. Those are legitimate feelings that those Shepards should be able to have addressed. I'm just crossing my fingers it is done via the dialogue tree and not another way.
If all Shepards just act angry towards Kaidan to the point that the...good part...of the reunion is postponed because Shepard is angry about the Horizon thing, then I'm going to be annoyed.

I don't like drawn-out angst or tragic romance, but a little tension is nice.  And since he threw out how he'd been dating, it would be nice to throw it back at him (without totally scrapping the romance).  That street should run both ways....if I can understand his need to move on after my "death", he should understand my need for comfort somewhere.

Modifié par n2nw, 11 février 2010 - 07:14 .

[MICHELLE7]

Taimae wrote...

Another Kaiden appreciater here! *waves* I hope it's alright to join in.

I think like most people here, I had the rude awakening of the Horizon experience. Not knowing what to expect, I remember being exciting knowing that, even if he wouldn't be on the team, he'd at least have a cameo. Of course, my emotions went from "Omg, yay Kaiden!" to "Why are you yelling at me!?"
Of course, it was a real downer at first and I was super ticked. I was very tempted to just end things like that. I was thinking "Bioware, what the hell?" It seemed pretty harsh, but after cooling off and reading the email, it would make sense.You're starting to move on with your life finally, and then it all comes rushing back to you..

Really, we couldn't expect things to go back the way they were right away; it's the bump in the road that most relationships face (perhaps this bump is a bit bigger than others). Just a shame they didn't offer the reply option for the email you receive, or go back and talk to him like you would Liara or Wrex. But, I guess we shall find out how things continue in the third game~

Also, I suppose the absense of Kaiden is good for those who didn't paticularly want to romance him in the first place (I have a friend who really didn't care for him at all), and to instead go after a different relationship.

I'm sure we'll see him in the 3rd game. I just hope that this time he'll be a party member~ Or that we can at least talk to him more than just once.

Welcome...we're all hoping for a lot more in ME3...Kaidan as a squad mate would be awesome...be on the lookout for shirtless Kaidan ...he has a way of popping up every once and a while.

[syllogi]