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[ScaperDeage]

Isaantia wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

I'm sure Kaidan was a bit upset with Joker, but I don't see him making an effort to get Joker grounded because of that anger. Though he might have added some choice words in the incident report about Joker's reluctance to abbandon ship.

[Taimae]

And this is why I approve of this thread. >w<

[BECC4]

ScaperDeage wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

I'm sure Kaidan was a bit upset with Joker, but I don't see him making an effort to get Joker grounded because of that anger. Though he might have added some choice words in the incident report about Joker's reluctance to abbandon ship.

You know what I never actually thought about it that way, I'm sure subconciously Kaidan blames Joker for Shep's death and although I don't think he would ever deliberately ruin Joker's alliance career I bet it was part of the reason the crew all fell apart, that and the constant reminders that Shep was gone.  Poor poor Kaidan, I just want to hug him

Edit:  That and give Joker a crack round the ear hole and say 'Next time I tell you to move, you move, dammit.'

Modifié par BECC4, 11 février 2010 - 07:26 .

[sapphyreelf]

Isaantia wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

Where I do adore Joker (because I find his humor to be in line with my RL boyfriend's), I always pictured Joker getting a few extra broken bones after talking to Kaidan. After all, his Shep died to save Joker.

But maybe, Kaidan would have avoided talking directly to Joker for that very reason.

[MICHELLE7]

TeenZombie wrote...

Kai Kai!<3

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

ScaperDeage wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

I'm sure Kaidan was a bit upset with Joker, but I don't see him making an effort to get Joker grounded because of that anger. Though he might have added some choice words in the incident report about Joker's reluctance to abbandon ship.

You know what I never actually thought about it that way, I'm sure subconciously Kaidan blames Joker for Shep's death and although I don't think he would ever deliberately ruin Joker's alliance career I bet it was part of the reason the crew all fell apart, that and the constant reminders that Shep was gone.  Poor poor Kaidan, I just want to hug him

Edit:  That and give Joker a crack round the ear hole and say 'Next time I tell you to move, you move, dammit.'

Yeah, the part at the end with Joker and EDI did a lot to redeem himself in my eyes...I was so mad with him for refusing to leave the Normandy. All I could think was Shep had to work for Cerberus because of him and in the process was separated from Kaidan. I'm okay with it now, but when I first started playing the game I was mad.

[Isaantia]

n2nw wrote...

I don't like drawn-out angst or tragic romance, but a little tension is nice.  And since he threw out how he'd been dating, it would be nice to throw it back at him (without totally scrapping the romance).  That street should run both ways....if I can understand his need to move on after my "death", he should understand my need for comfort somewhere.

Well my femShep "dated" Thane in one playthrough but broke it off before it became "serious". This play through I made friends with Kelly so she'd feed my damn fish. No, post-game cuddling tho.

I agree that the street should be two-ways here. Still, he dated someone believing that you were dead.. because you were. Now you're alive and this changes things. I appreciate that he was honest in the email.

[Isaantia]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Yeah, the part at the end with Joker and EDI did a lot to redeem himself in my eyes...I was so mad with him for refusing to leave the Normandy. All I could think was Shep had to work for Cerberus because of him and in the process was separated from Kaidan. I'm okay with it now, but when I first started playing the game I was mad.

I wish you could have chewed him out when you re-met in the Cerberus base.

Though that "old times" conversation was awesome. "I hope not, I died."

[sapphyreelf]

Honestly, my Shep has bigger issues to worry about than trying to date someone else. She lost her heart to Kaidan in the first game. Then she died. And now that she's back, her heart didn't change, and she has alot of issues of her own to deal with - beyond the galatic problems. Dating someone else is a very low priority on her list.

[ScaperDeage]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Where I do adore Joker (because I find his humor to be in line with my RL boyfriend's), I always pictured Joker getting a few extra broken bones after talking to Kaidan. After all, his Shep died to save Joker.

But maybe, Kaidan would have avoided talking directly to Joker for that very reason.

Joker was more likely the one trying to avoid talking. I'm sure he felt bad about what happened to Shep and would have realized that Kaidan might be pissed at him.

[Jhourney]

ScaperDeage wrote...

sapphyreelf wrote...

Where I do adore Joker (because I find his humor to be in line with my RL boyfriend's), I always pictured Joker getting a few extra broken bones after talking to Kaidan. After all, his Shep died to save Joker.

But maybe, Kaidan would have avoided talking directly to Joker for that very reason.

Joker was more likely the one trying to avoid talking. I'm sure he felt bad about what happened to Shep and would have realized that Kaidan might be pissed at him.

Makes me wonder what would happen if Shepard dies at the end of ME2 as well....and Joker survives yet again

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

ScaperDeage wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

Celestria129 wrote...

This also makes me wander what Kaidan did to Joker when he realised shep was not in the escape pod with him.

I've often wondered this too. Survior's guilt and hostiliy towards Joker. Makes me wonder if Kaiden had some hand in getting Joker grounded in the Alliance. With Pressley dead, Kaiden would have been next in command.

I'm sure Kaidan was a bit upset with Joker, but I don't see him making an effort to get Joker grounded because of that anger. Though he might have added some choice words in the incident report about Joker's reluctance to abbandon ship.

You know what I never actually thought about it that way, I'm sure subconciously Kaidan blames Joker for Shep's death and although I don't think he would ever deliberately ruin Joker's alliance career I bet it was part of the reason the crew all fell apart, that and the constant reminders that Shep was gone.  Poor poor Kaidan, I just want to hug him

Edit:  That and give Joker a crack round the ear hole and say 'Next time I tell you to move, you move, dammit.'

Yeah, the part at the end with Joker and EDI did a lot to redeem himself in my eyes...I was so mad with him for refusing to leave the Normandy. All I could think was Shep had to work for Cerberus because of him and in the process was separated from Kaidan. I'm okay with it now, but when I first started playing the game I was mad.

I never really blamed him for it, after all he didn't ask for Shep to come and save him, it's a bit like TIM trying to make us feel guilty but we never asked to be saved either.  But there's no way she'd leave him behind if there was a chance and I could def see how Kaidan would blame him, when you emotional and hurting it's the easiest reaction but I bet part of him hated feeling like that towards Joker so as soon as Shep shows up he transfers that anger to Shep, because it's something else he feels bad about only now he thinks hisfeelings towards Joker were unjustified.  Of course if he did hurt Joker even a little, that would only compound his guilt further. 

[sapphyreelf]

Isaantia wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Yeah, the part at the end with Joker and EDI did a lot to redeem himself in my eyes...I was so mad with him for refusing to leave the Normandy. All I could think was Shep had to work for Cerberus because of him and in the process was separated from Kaidan. I'm okay with it now, but when I first started playing the game I was mad.

I wish you could have chewed him out when you re-met in the Cerberus base.

Though that "old times" conversation was awesome. "I hope not, I died."

I loved that line when you tell Joker that. He gets all moody because you spoil his fun. I'm like "Next time don't put me in a situation where I'll die, dingbat!"

[ScaperDeage]

Jhosephine wrote...

Makes me wonder what would happen if Shepard dies at the end of ME2 as well....and Joker survives yet again

Joker does seem to have that uncanny ability to be right there when Shepard dies. But at least if you die in ME2 it is not because you are trying to save him from his own stupidity.

[ScaperDeage]

Isaantia wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Yeah, the part at the end with Joker and EDI did a lot to redeem himself in my eyes...I was so mad with him for refusing to leave the Normandy. All I could think was Shep had to work for Cerberus because of him and in the process was separated from Kaidan. I'm okay with it now, but when I first started playing the game I was mad.

I wish you could have chewed him out when you re-met in the Cerberus base.

Though that "old times" conversation was awesome. "I hope not, I died."

I loved that line. It basicaly said, "I'm glad to have you on the ship and part of the team, but if you make me die saving you again I'm so coming back to haunt you."

[BreezySummer]

Greetings fellow Kaidanites! I am so glad to have found this thread, you have no idea! I just finished playing ME2 all the way through today and couldn't help but think "WTF?!" at the end. One of the main reasons I couldn't wait for this game to come out, was to see what happens with Shepard and Kaidan. I was completely dissappointed. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE every other aspect of the game. It's very well done and is a great transition from ME1. But being a girl who loves and needs those love stories in a game, I really felt let down. 

As soon as I started that opening scene, my heart was pounding when I saw Kaidan. I had to save him! And then on Horizon, when he came out of the shadows, I nearly fainted! Oh to see him in all his glory, right there in front of me. I waited two years to see him, and what does he do? He yells at me! And yes, I hated the response Shepard gives him too. She didn't like working for Cerberus. Why couldn't she have said that to him?? Maybe he would have come with her if he knew she didn't trust TIM. I was heart broken when he walked away from me after that. I went straight to my email and was so relieved to find a letter from him. That gave me some hope...

I was pretty much playing the rest of the game just to see him again. "Where is he going to show up next?", is what I kept thinking to myself. Even at the end when they were rescueing their crew from the pods, I was hoping they would find Kaidan in one so Shepard could save him. It just seemed like a huge build up to nothing. And it seems like it's much different playing as a Male Shepard. I just hope BioWare realizes that us girls got jipped! At least the ones that are loyal to Kaidan.

So anyway, that was my rant. LOL. I love that there is a thread like this on here. Let's keep it going! The first thing I did when I finished the game was run to the computer to find other players that felt the same way I did. And I know I won't be the last one! Thanks for reading!

 

[Badpie]

sapphyreelf wrote...

Honestly, my Shep has bigger issues to worry about than trying to date someone else. She lost her heart to Kaidan in the first game. Then she died. And now that she's back, her heart didn't change, and she has alot of issues of her own to deal with - beyond the galatic problems. Dating someone else is a very low priority on her list.

This is how both  my male and femsheps are.  Take someone really special to get their attention as they're both focused and committed to doing their jobs.  So Kaidan and Ashley were a rare and special thing for both of them.  No time for anyone else and no desire.  Got better things to do.

[BECC4]

BreezySummer wrote...

Greetings fellow Kaidanites! I am so glad to have found this thread, you have no idea! I just finished playing ME2 all the way through today and couldn't help but think "WTF?!" at the end. One of the main reasons I couldn't wait for this game to come out, was to see what happens with Shepard and Kaidan. I was completely dissappointed. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE every other aspect of the game. It's very well done and is a great transition from ME1. But being a girl who loves and needs those love stories in a game, I really felt let down. 

As soon as I started that opening scene, my heart was pounding when I saw Kaidan. I had to save him! And then on Horizon, when he came out of the shadows, I nearly fainted! Oh to see him in all his glory, right there in front of me. I waited two years to see him, and what does he do? He yells at me! And yes, I hated the response Shepard gives him too. She didn't like working for Cerberus. Why couldn't she have said that to him?? Maybe he would have come with her if he knew she didn't trust TIM. I was heart broken when he walked away from me after that. I went straight to my email and was so relieved to find a letter from him. That gave me some hope...

I was pretty much playing the rest of the game just to see him again. "Where is he going to show up next?", is what I kept thinking to myself. Even at the end when they were rescueing their crew from the pods, I was hoping they would find Kaidan in one so Shepard could save him. It just seemed like a huge build up to nothing. And it seems like it's much different playing as a Male Shepard. I just hope BioWare realizes that us girls got jipped! At least the ones that are loyal to Kaidan.

So anyway, that was my rant. LOL. I love that there is a thread like this on here. Let's keep it going! The first thing I did when I finished the game was run to the computer to find other players that felt the same way I did. And I know I won't be the last one! Thanks for reading!

 

Lol welcome!  Just wait for the shirtless Kaidan, then it really gets going in here

[MICHELLE7]

BECC4 wrote...

I never really blamed him for it, after all he didn't ask for Shep to come and save him, it's a bit like TIM trying to make us feel guilty but we never asked to be saved either.  But there's no way she'd leave him behind if there was a chance and I could def see how Kaidan would blame him, when you emotional and hurting it's the easiest reaction but I bet part of him hated feeling like that towards Joker so as soon as Shep shows up he transfers that anger to Shep, because it's something else he feels bad about only now he thinks hisfeelings towards Joker were unjustified.  Of course if he did hurt Joker even a little, that would only compound his guilt further. 

He might not have asked Shep to save him but as the Commanding officer it was her duty. 

I don't know if I see Kaidan transferring his anger from Joker to Shep. While I was angry with him at first, I don't know that Kaidan would have been(even though it would have been interesting to have made a scene where it was that way). I see Kaidan blaming himself...Why didn't I just stay?...Why didn't I insist on being the one to go get Joker?...Why didn't I stay on the ship after I had gotten everyone to safety and went back for Shep and Joker?

Kaidan has a history of blaming himself...Rahna looks at him like he's a monster and he can't see she's the one with the problem...it has to be him...so he spends the rest of his life agonizing over every little decision because he's afraid he'll get it wrong again and the ones he loves will leave him. He said as much in his email...he blames himself for surviving. Might have had a little to do with his reaction on Horizon...he blamed himself for letting Shep die and there she is after all this time perfectly fine. Probably felt like he had put himself through hell for nothing.

And I'm rambling again.

[Jhourney]

:innocent:

[ScaperDeage]

Part of me sort of wishes Kaidan was taken on Horizon because that would have been a great driving goal to find the collector base and save him. I think I would have liked that more then the angry conversation and I'm sorry email, though I feel it did work for the story overall.

[Badpie]

Jhosephine wrote...



:innocent:

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[MICHELLE7]

[quote]BreezySummer wrote...


As soon as I started that opening scene, my heart was pounding when I saw Kaidan. I had to save him! And then on Horizon, when he came out of the shadows, I nearly fainted! Oh to see him in all his glory, right there in front of me. 

 [/quote]

Welcome...we too like to see him in all his glory.

[/quote]

[n2nw]

Isaantia wrote...
 This play through I made friends with Kelly so she'd feed my damn fish.

I thought I was friends with Kelly and my fish all died!  Do you have to tell her that you'd embrace her?  Cuz I didn't want to give her the wrong idea (I was out for Thane).

sapphyreelf wrote...
Honestly, my Shep has bigger issues to worry about than trying to date someone else. She lost her heart to Kaidan in the first game. Then she died. And now that she's back, her heart didn't change, and she has alot of issues of her own to deal with - beyond the galatic problems. Dating someone else is a very low priority on her list.

Love is always a top priority, IMO. 

[BECC4]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

I never really blamed him for it, after all he didn't ask for Shep to come and save him, it's a bit like TIM trying to make us feel guilty but we never asked to be saved either.  But there's no way she'd leave him behind if there was a chance and I could def see how Kaidan would blame him, when you emotional and hurting it's the easiest reaction but I bet part of him hated feeling like that towards Joker so as soon as Shep shows up he transfers that anger to Shep, because it's something else he feels bad about only now he thinks hisfeelings towards Joker were unjustified.  Of course if he did hurt Joker even a little, that would only compound his guilt further. 

He might not have asked Shep to save him but as the Commanding officer it was her duty. 

I don't know if I see Kaidan transferring his anger from Joker to Shep. While I was angry with him at first, I don't know that Kaidan would have been(even though it would have been interesting to have made a scene where it was that way). I see Kaidan blaming himself...Why didn't I just stay?...Why didn't I insist on being the one to go get Joker?...Why didn't I stay on the ship after I had gotten everyone to safety and went back for Shep and Joker?

Kaidan has a history of blaming himself...Rahna looks at him like he's a monster and he can't see she's the one with the problem...it has to be him...so he spends the rest of his life agonizing over every little decision because he's afraid he'll get it wrong again and the ones he loves will leave him. He said as much in his email...he blames himself for surviving. Might have had a little to do with his reaction on Horizon...he blamed himself for letting Shep die and there she is after all this time perfectly fine. Probably felt like he had put himself through hell for nothing.

And I'm rambling again.

Lol ramble away, it's fun

I think it's a combination of both and I think blaming Joker would be a subconcious thing although he'd prob feel guilty for that too!  Like the Rahna thing, he blamed the Turian and himself, he said that he'd got over the Turian but not Rahna, in two years I supect the blame he felt towards Joker was there with the blame he assigns to himself.

Does that make sense? I know what I'm trying to say but am not sure it's coming across right.