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[MorphlingV2]

KainrycKarr wrote...

This is exactly why I find miranda cliche.

There's someone exactly like her in practically every sci-fi story i've ever seen/read. I'm bored with it. It isn't badly written or anything. Just overly common.

In that case I guess we had been reading/watching different things and that colored our perception.

At least judging from your signature some of our favorites are the same.

[Agamemnon2589]

I actually didn't dislike any of the team. It was a very similar experience compared to ME1 for me - I met some of them for the first time and thought I was going to hate them, but as I got to know them better I really started to like them. I even liked Zaeed and Jack and Grunt.

[Blood Nemesis]

Garrus- As I virtually always choose renegade options I felt he had developed exactly as i hoped he would from ME1 but he needs more dialouge. and why is he not a spectre :{



Grunt- Major letdown after Wrex but he calls shep battlemaster and puts Ashley in line so ill let him off. To generic a Krogan felt he was realy underveloped, still in combat him and legion kick ass



Zaeed- Cant hate him dont know s** about him liked his loyaty mission should have conversation options he would be intresting I think the pinnacle of underveloped characters Shale was my favorite in dragon age why could they not do that with him?.



Tali- My fav character this time which surprised me i disliked her in the first one.



Jacob- Dont like or dislike him. Kinda felt he was like a watered down paragon shepard plus he never likes my choices another underveloped character I felt. Still kinda felt he looked up to Shepard as a mentor/brother/freind thing... yeah



Miranda- Conflicted Femme Fatale/Ice queen seen it before didnt mind her cant romance her though she looks almost exactly like my older sister so I stayed away from them dialougue trees.



Samara- Liked Samara more intresting as you go on anyone who tried the romance option that was just cruel bioware.



Mordin- He sang and gave interspecies sex advice, sometimes heals sometimes kils perfect I cant not like him. Surprised he has strong medical ethics...Genophage Mordin?



Thane- On my playthrough as a fem shepard i thought he was intresting as a male shepard thought hes dialouge was stunted to early.



Legion- Actualy liked legion use him and that sniper in combat a lot just wishedI had being given it earlier liked the reactions he causes on the Quarian fleet (plus the innocent puppy like head tilt).



Jack- Annoys the hell out of me during the loyalty quest thought she showed soft side to soon. 1 of 2 characters I disliked mainly because of the loyalty mission self centred bull. Otherwise i liked her.



Morinth- Realy dont like Morinth much prefered Samara though i laughed when she killed me kinda served me right I guess. Shes definitley the character i h8



Joker- Fantastic my favorite non squad comic relief guy in any game.



Udina- Pleaaase let me shoot him i just want to stomp hes stupid mouthy head in please Bioware he cant survive ME3.

[hawat333]

I went with Tali or Zaeed. No character-development there, just a change in circumstances.



(/raises his trusty flame shield)

[Twitchmonkey]

Miranda. Her loyalty quest began to humanize her, but after her quarrel with Jack it was clear she was still the same naive Cerberus pawn I found her to be in the beginning. I could say that I regretted losing members of my crew in the suicide mission, but really what I regret is that she wasn't one of them.



Now every time I go into her office I'm going to be thinking "why not you? Sure, Jacob wasn't that interesting, but he was a pretty decent guy, why couldn't you have taken a bullet instead?"



I guess that's what makes each of our stories unique though.

[Feops1]

I didn't like Grunt. His character was very one-dimensional, especially after seeing Wrex, who was a good example of a personality on top of krogen attitudes.

Blood Nemesis wrote...

Garrus- As I virtually always choose renegade options I felt he had developed exactly as i hoped he would from ME1 but he needs more dialouge. and why is he not a spectre :{

He does talk about this. Garrus applied for spectre training and was quickly drowning in red tape again. He got sick of it and left for Omega. Apparantly spectres only get free reign to be renegade badasses when they're fully trained up and established.

[mobomelter]

By far Jack and Jacob could die/disappear and I wouldn't care. Jack's drunken sailor dialogue just doesn't seem to fit since no one else curses that much in the entire game. (Note: Cursing doesn't bother me it just feels too out of place for the universe) Jacob is just so bland and boring he could get airlocked and I wouldn't feel anything in the slightest. All he ever does is compliment your new crewmate and all around be a yes man.

[Railstay]

I thought everyone was pretty well done. Their motivations and decisions made sense.



Zaeed maybe, just because he was so underdeveloped. He doesn't even have dialogue options. Or maybe Jack, because I felt like she was really, really over-the-top.

[Railstay]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Miranda. Her loyalty quest began to humanize her, but after her quarrel with Jack it was clear she was still the same naive Cerberus pawn I found her to be in the beginning. I could say that I regretted losing members of my crew in the suicide mission, but really what I regret is that she wasn't one of them.

Now every time I go into her office I'm going to be thinking "why not you? Sure, Jacob wasn't that interesting, but he was a pretty decent guy, why couldn't you have taken a bullet instead?"

I guess that's what makes each of our stories unique though.

Try to pretend this isn't a game.

If you think that way, try to view Cerberus objectively.  Yeah, they've done bad things, but the fate of the entire human race is literally on the line.  Everyone you know or care about.  Your entire family, and your friends' entire families.  This is a very real threat to the characters in the game.  Moreover, your government's military is not doing a thing about the Collector attacks, and the Council couldn't care less.  In fact, they still blatantly deny the existence of the Reapers.

The characters who work for Cerberus are seeing all these things.  These very real threats that no one but Cerberus is doing anything about.  Now can you judge her so blithely? 

I remember reading this really interesting interview with Tupac Shakur, when he was asked why he glorifies gang life and hustling drugs in his music.  Tupac explained that anyone judging him had better have been a ghetto criminal and drug dealer him/herself.  Tupac's mother was a crack addict and his father ran out on the family a long time ago, and he was black so he couldn't get a decent job, and it was basically up to him to feed himself, his mother and his sister.  Not many people have gone literally days without food, so they don't understand the desperation you would feel to push you to snatch a purse or sell drugs.  So with his father absent and his mother cracked out all the time, the only stable element in his life were the drug dealers he met on the street.  Tupac acknowledged that these drug dealers weren't good people, but they were also the only people who showed him any sort of love, and they really treated him like a younger brother, and taught him how to sell drugs and his keep head above water.

So think about that before placing broad labels on characters as just mindless fanatics or poster boys.  Bioware is great at characterization.  It makes sense that the characters believe in what they believe.

[keginkc]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Miranda. Her loyalty quest began to humanize her, but after her quarrel with Jack it was clear she was still the same naive Cerberus pawn I found her to be in the beginning. I could say that I regretted losing members of my crew in the suicide mission, but really what I regret is that she wasn't one of them.

Ironically, if you blow up the station and she's in your group, she leaves Cerberus.

[raist747]

Jack.



Tried too hard for the badass image and was just another bitter, angry youth with emotional trauma except with biotic powers. Too predictable.

[Twitchmonkey]

Railstay wrote...

Try to pretend this isn't a game.

If you think that way, try to view Cerberus objectively.  Yeah, they've done bad things, but the fate of the entire human race is literally on the line.  Everyone you know or care about.  Your entire family, and your friends' entire families.  This is a very real threat to the characters in the game.  Moreover, your government's military is not doing a thing about the Collector attacks, and the Council couldn't care less.  In fact, they still blatantly deny the existence of the Reapers.

The characters who work for Cerberus are seeing all these things.  These very real threats that no one but Cerberus is doing anything about.  Now can you judge her so blithely?

Yes, I can. I understand the necessity of working with Cerberus and I understand that in this case they are the galaxy's best hope for survival. That doesn't assuage them from their guilt. Jacob seems to understand this, he is bothered by Cerberus' reputation and wants to do something about it. When you bring up the same issues with Miranda, she just says that all of the bad things Cerberus has done were not authorized, so it's all alright. When Jack confronts here, that's her response, it's not Cerberus, just because TIM eventually got around to pulling their funding. Instead of looking at reality she has this horrible "No true Scotsman" mindset where if Cerberus is doing something she doesn't like then they just don't represent the organization and everything is okay without looking at what their organization has lead to people doing in its name.

That doesn't mean I don't understand why she does what she does, her father never really cared for her and only wanted her to build a legacy for him so she never developed any ability to think for herself and simply absorbed the ideology of the group that took her in. That is an interesting story and she is in many ways an interesting character, but that doesn't mean I have to like her.

Not to mention when you stand up for Jack and ask her if you're good she gives you a, "Not remotely." in the must snide, arrogant tone possible. God forbid you'd show some empathy towards a girl that has been so mentally screwed up by your organization, but oh wait, some of what they did wasn't authorized so that just makes everything fine.

Ironically, if you blow up the station and she's in your group, she leaves Cerberus.

Seems like her head would explode if she ever had to face the possibility of her precious TIM not being perfect, so that's surprising.

Modifié par Twitchmonkey, 04 février 2010 - 04:16 .

[Yantze]

I actually liked all of them. If I had to pick one though id say Jack but she wasnt as bad as I thought she would be. I dont see why a lot of you dont like Jacob or Zaeed either. Since Wrex isnt here though my Favs would have to be Tali and Garrus.

[Twitchmonkey]

Yantze wrote...

I actually liked all of them. If I had to pick one though id say Jack but she wasnt as bad as I thought she would be. I dont see why a lot of you dont like Jacob or Zaeed either. Since Wrex isnt here though my Favs would have to be Tali and Garrus.

Zaeed has some cool stories, some nice scarring, and a great accent, so I'll give him a pass. Jacob isn't bad so much as he isn't good, he isn't quite at Carth level, but he still comes across as a non-offensive relatively shallow character.

[Wrex.the.next.spectre]

Did people really dislike Zaeed, or did they just think he was poorly made? Because I think most would agree he was poorly made, maybe even a little boring. But I don't think he was truly disliked by that many people. He might have been the worst character, but he wasn't the most disliked. Obviously, the poll disagrees, but I think people are confusing the two.

For example, reading some of the posts in this thread, you can tell people genuinely don't like Jack, Jacob, some don't like Miranda or Samara. Whereas with Zaedd, they are mostly saying he was boring, and a badly developed character.

Also, another thing that comes into play is whether your main Shep is renegade or paragon. Ex: I play a lot of Renegade, and maybe that is why I hated Jacob. Everytime I made a renegade choice, he would moan about it. Maybe the Paragons liked him more.

Modifié par Wrex.the.next.spectre, 04 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[BECC4]

Zaeed or Jack, normally if you feel the need to constantly tell people what a bada*s you are it's just not true!

[BECC4]

Double post

Modifié par BECC4, 04 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[Thaddeus Mynor]

carp! Zaeed & Jack are my favorite companions! and they're getting the most votes! screw you paragon voters!

[flem1]

Emo assassin is emo.

And boring.

[jlb524]

Garrus needs more votes. Garrus sucks.



And why the bleep does Jack have so many votes? What's wrong with you people!! She's awesome!!

[Mister Mage]

I'm surprised of the lack of dislike for Grunt. I can at least understand why you don't get much talking time with Zaeed, but at least he tells a couple good stories and has a fun enough side mission.



Grunt has no stories to tell. "I was watching TV once. It was funny because people died."



He has no interesting character traits. "I want to fight you but totally not right now. Fight good."



He has no history. "I was in a tank. Watched TV."



He has no good lines.



He is a completely token Krogan with nothing interesting about him. Okeer is a character that was a million times more interesting, and he dies to be replaced by Grunt. It sucks.

[Valmy]

It is pretty cool how much less hate there is for the characters in ME2 compared to the bile spewed over some of the ME1 characters.



Anyway I choose Jack mostly because I found her uninteresting...but come to think of it Zaeed and Grunt were also boring...so boring I didn't even think to vote for them.



I loved everybody else.

[Gabey5]

tbh mrianda...

[FairSpiffy]

It's funny, because I went into the game expecting to dislike certain characters and like others, and be ambivalent about some, and it ended up being totally switched around.



I'm not really surprised to see Zaeed is in the top of the poll, but to be fair for him he was handicapped before the poll even started. It's hard to form a relationship with him without any sort of dialogue for the Shepards to get closer to him. I love him, though, I think his comments when we walk around places and go on missions are pretty funny. He's not my favorite character, but he's definately in the top, but maybe I'm biased because he saved my Shep's tail at the base on quite a few occasions.



Grunt - I loved him because he wasn't the stereotypical Krogan. He doesn't know anything about his culture or why he does the things he does, and he was rather childlike on many occasions. A dangers, hyper aggressive child, but my Sheps are non the less very protective of him because he doesn't know who he is yet. He probably evolves the most as a character.



Miranda - I went in not expecting to like her, but she really grew on me through my playthrough. I've even taken to bringing her with me a bit because she can be rather amusing, and she develops as a character as well. She goes from being a Cerberus loyalist to being loyal to a higher ideal, that's what I like about her.



Jacob - I expected to be ambivalent about him, but he's ended up being one of my favorite characters. His romance was surprisingly touching, since he wants to know about Shepard and /her/ issues for once ,not just saying his entire life's story. I like how he inquired into her life, so he get's pretty top marks from me.



The only character I disliked was Jack, not because the character wasn't developed, but because I had enough of her attitude, her cursing, and her nastyness in the first 5 minutes. Yes, you're a biotic with a tragic past, whoopdedo, congratulations. There isn't anyone on the team that hasn't been through hardships and pain and anguish, but I don't see them shoving it in my face every two seconds. Not to mention Shep has been through hell as well, as well as half the sentients in the galaxy.



I just wish Jack had grown up a little bit and started taking responsibility for herself and her actions. Maybe this happens with male!Shep, but I'm sick of her as a Femshep.