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[Felix Golden]

Legion also retells, that geth had asked their creators "do we have a soul?" multiple times in the past, but the recording was the first time it ever had such a violent reaction.

[Tyrael100]

You cant really say that siding with the Quarians is the best option. They played with fire and got burnt in this situation.



We all know now that some of the Geth sided with the Reapers while others didnt. Legion proves it and the codex. It doesnt justfiy the means to kill them because only a few are dangerous. Its like with Humans IRL some nationalities do dangerous stuff yet are they all like that? Not at all.



If i had to choose, id choose Geth. Quarians are really weird to me for some reason Ive always doubted them.

[banshee768]

Let's see:



Quariens created Geth. Geth became self aware. Quariens panic and try to destroy Geth. Geth retaliates.



I'm with the Geths on this one and I hope with our (possible) action taken in ME2, that the Geth will become a part of the Galactic community.



With that said though, I don't want the Quariens destroyed either. I'm hoping for some Paragon solution/compromise that will make every equally happy/unhappy. Legion would make a great diplomat...

[aaniadyen]

shinobi602 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...
So...assuming a large group of very dangerous animals were set loose in a very populated city...you'd convince the populace to live with them there? lol

Who said they were dangerous? You seem to forget, the Quarians ATTACKED the Geth FIRST. The Geth's only crime was existing.

They could have been. The Geth developed independantly from the Quarians to the point of being self-aware. Who's to know if they developed in a hostile maner? It's the exact same as the animals. You don't know how dangerous they are, really. The potential is there...but you have no idea if they will use it.

[Zemore]

aaniadyen wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

Legion reveals that his people don't even know why the Quarians attacked them.

In short: I think he's lying. If they had no idea, why would the Geth attack all Quarians on sight and not even try to take any prisoners for interrogation? Besides that...the Quarians fled their home world. They left all their records. The Geth sould obviously have gotten into them at some point.

Legion is pure logic and has no emotions when asked what he wants to do to the heretics hes half and half on killing them or reprogramming them
so when it comes to the geth they see a quarrian in the areas they habitate it is safe to assume they are a threat wtf do you think the quarrians gonna do if they see a geth? kill it

aaniadyen wrote...



They could have been. The Geth
developed independantly from the Quarians to the point of being
self-aware. Who's to know if they developed in a hostile maner? It's
the exact same as the animals. You don't know how dangerous they are,
really. The potential is there...but you have no idea if they will use
it.

animals dont ask if they have a soul and they kill because they are hungry

Modifié par Zemore, 04 février 2010 - 09:14 .

[shinobi602]

aaniadyen wrote...

They could have been. The Geth developed independantly from the Quarians to the point of being self-aware. Who's to know if they developed in a hostile maner? It's the exact same as the animals. You don't know how dangerous they are, really. The potential is there...but you have no idea if they will use it.

So you're guilty until proven innocent. Brilliant.

[aaniadyen]

shinobi602 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

They could have been. The Geth developed independantly from the Quarians to the point of being self-aware. Who's to know if they developed in a hostile maner? It's the exact same as the animals. You don't know how dangerous they are, really. The potential is there...but you have no idea if they will use it.

So you're guilty until proven innocent. Brilliant.

That's how things have always functioned with humans. *shrugs*

[blank1]

Zemore wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

Legion reveals that his people don't even know why the Quarians attacked them.

In short: I think he's lying. If they had no idea, why would the Geth attack all Quarians on sight and not even try to take any prisoners for interrogation? Besides that...the Quarians fled their home world. They left all their records. The Geth sould obviously have gotten into them at some point.

Legion is pure logic and has no emotions when asked what he wants to do to the heretics hes half and half on killing them or reprogramming them
so when it comes to the geth they see a quarrian in the areas they habitate it is safe to assume they are a threat wtf do you think the quarrians gonna do if they see a geth? kill it

aaniadyen wrote...



They could have been. The Geth
developed independantly from the Quarians to the point of being
self-aware. Who's to know if they developed in a hostile maner? It's
the exact same as the animals. You don't know how dangerous they are,
really. The potential is there...but you have no idea if they will use
it.

animals dont ask if they have a soul and they kill because they are hungry

I think it's hinted that Legion is developed beyond the point of basic synthetic logic. For example, when Shepard asks him why he waited until he arrived at the Normandy crash site to repair his self with Shepard's armor, he paused and said, "No data available." That was an obvious way to avoid answering the question... I think Legion greatly admires Shepard, but doesn't quite understand the emotion (Or the embarassment he felt being directly question on it). There are many hints that the Geth are developing complex enough algorithms to understand, and perhaps feel as in hinted in Legion's case, emotion.

[shinobi602]

aaniadyen wrote...

That's how things have always functioned with humans. *shrugs*

What? What world do you live in? I'm not talking about third world countries here. Logic and reason in human mind knows one is innocent until there is verifiable proof that he is guilty. You're grasping at straws to justify the Quarians' actions (most likely because you're raging for Tali).

The facts are there. There is no way around it.

[Unato]

I dunno if Legion, who represents the collective geth who didn't chuck a hissy fit and sided with the reapers to slaughter all life as we know it, tells me the Geth wants peace I'm inclined to give them a chance at peace. I'm not the type to judge a person based on what his great great great grandfather did or what his brother did, I judge ppl on <their> action

[Zemore]

blank1 wrote...



I think it's hinted that Legion is developed beyond the point of basic synthetic logic. For example, when Shepard asks him why he waited until he arrived at the Normandy crash site to repair his self with Shepard's armor, he paused and said, "No data available." That was an obvious way to avoid answering the question... I think Legion greatly admires Shepard, but doesn't quite understand the emotion (Or the embarassment he felt being directly question on it). There are many hints that the Geth are developing complex enough algorithms to understand, and perhaps feel as in hinted in Legion's case, emotion.

dont get me wrong i totally agree with that However the geth when in close proximity to one another are just as smart as legion they are a hivemind just legion alone is like 10 geth constructs and is capable of more complex actions solo.
But at the same time he doesnt understand organics he belives they have the same rights to exist as he does but he doesnt understand emotions or how they generally exist because he is a robot he cant understand theres also the fact that legion isnt so much a he as a they =/

[Felix Golden]

Zemore wrote...

blank1 wrote...



I think it's hinted that Legion is developed beyond the point of basic synthetic logic. For example, when Shepard asks him why he waited until he arrived at the Normandy crash site to repair his self with Shepard's armor, he paused and said, "No data available." That was an obvious way to avoid answering the question... I think Legion greatly admires Shepard, but doesn't quite understand the emotion (Or the embarassment he felt being directly question on it). There are many hints that the Geth are developing complex enough algorithms to understand, and perhaps feel as in hinted in Legion's case, emotion.

dont get me wrong i totally agree with that However the geth when in close proximity to one another are just as smart as legion they are a hivemind just legion alone is like 10 geth constructs and is capable of more complex actions solo.
But at the same time he doesnt understand organics he belives they have the same rights to exist as he does but he doesnt understand emotions or how they generally exist because he is a robot he cant understand theres also the fact that legion isnt so much a he as a they =/

also a fun observation, Legion never identifies if it is a masculine or feminine (if there are even those considerations among geth) so for all we know Legion could be a she just as easily as a he! just a fun thing i thought of.

[Arelyte]

Shipwr3K wrote...

I would blow up the flotilla if, I could.  I can only dream for now.

I'm going to agree with you on this one, but I would mustard gas 'em first! :happy:

[I SuPreMacY 32I]

I'm with will smith on this one. Geth need to be put down. The fact that they can reproduce as fast as they can be manufactured makes them a threat to galactic stability. (A similar theme to the krogans no less). In addition to that they feel no pain and have superior technology making them superior to organic life. Combine this with the fact that cold logic is not the best logic. What makes humans human? (or any other species in the ME universe for that matter) It's their emotions. A machine, though able to mimic this, well never fully understand or recognize that sometimes the best choice isn't the "right" choice.



Organic life fights when it knows it can't win, it makes crazy decisions, it does the illogical. This is what makes us. I propose a systematic EMP pulse to all geth space.

[masterp1975]

I don't remember it it's said or alluded to in game. How long has Legion's platform been active?

[Zemore]

Felix Golden wrote...

Zemore wrote...

blank1 wrote...



I think it's hinted that Legion is developed beyond the point of basic synthetic logic. For example, when Shepard asks him why he waited until he arrived at the Normandy crash site to repair his self with Shepard's armor, he paused and said, "No data available." That was an obvious way to avoid answering the question... I think Legion greatly admires Shepard, but doesn't quite understand the emotion (Or the embarassment he felt being directly question on it). There are many hints that the Geth are developing complex enough algorithms to understand, and perhaps feel as in hinted in Legion's case, emotion.

dont get me wrong i totally agree with that However the geth when in close proximity to one another are just as smart as legion they are a hivemind just legion alone is like 10 geth constructs and is capable of more complex actions solo.
But at the same time he doesnt understand organics he belives they have the same rights to exist as he does but he doesnt understand emotions or how they generally exist because he is a robot he cant understand theres also the fact that legion isnt so much a he as a they =/

also a fun observation, Legion never identifies if it is a masculine or feminine (if there are even those considerations among geth) so for all we know Legion could be a she just as easily as a he! just a fun thing i thought of.

geth dont have sexes they are merley geth naming and classifying is an organic thing but  they sound like a He so its the best way to go

[Felix Golden]

masterp1975 wrote...

I don't remember it it's said or alluded to in game. How long has Legion's platform been active?

Legion has been around sense you became a specter, he has been following you around for almost 3 years. He started at Eden prime, and thats where he got your armor, if i remember correctly.

[aaniadyen]

shinobi602 wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

That's how things have always functioned with humans. *shrugs*

What? What world do you live in? I'm not talking about third world countries here. Logic and reason in human mind knows one is innocent until there is verifiable proof that he is guilty. You're grasping at straws to justify the Quarians' actions (most likely because you're raging for Tali).

The facts are there. There is no way around it.

I'm not grasping at straws at all, and I couldn't give less of a **** about a make believe character. I have a girlfriend...if I wanted romance I'd go talk to her.

As for your claim that human logic knows that someone is innocent until proven guilty...how is murder handled in America? They investigate, find the most convincing suspect and have them stand trial. If they can't prove their innocence, they are treated as being guilty.

[masterp1975]

Felix Golden wrote...

masterp1975 wrote...

I don't remember it it's said or alluded to in game. How long has Legion's platform been active?

Legion has been around sense you became a specter, he has been following you around for almost 3 years. He started at Eden prime, and thats where he got your armor, if i remember correctly.

I got that much, but was able to function as an idividual Geth prior to that or is his platform 3 years old?

[shinobi602]

aaniadyen wrote...

I'm not grasping at straws at all, and I couldn't give less of a **** about a make believe character. I have a girlfriend...if I wanted romance I'd go talk to her.

As for your claim that human logic knows that someone is innocent until proven guilty...how is murder handled in America? They investigate, find the most convincing suspect and have them stand trial. If they can't prove their innocence, they are treated as being guilty.

Are we living in the same country here? Is this opposite day? You're INNOCENT until proven guilty. They have to bring evidence to prove that you're guilty of the crime. If no evidence is delivered, you're innocent, free to go.

[Zemore]

aaniadyen wrote...



I'm not grasping at straws at all, and I couldn't give less of a **** about a make believe character. I have a girlfriend...if I wanted romance I'd go talk to her.

As for your claim that human logic knows that someone is innocent until proven guilty...how is murder handled in America? They investigate, find the most convincing suspect and have them stand trial. If they can't prove their innocence, they are treated as being guilty.

you just destroyed your own point the courts run on the rule innocent till proven guilty

Felix Golden wrote...

masterp1975 wrote...

I don't remember it it's said or alluded to in game. How long has Legion's platform been active?

Legion
has been around sense you became a specter, he has been following you
around for almost 3 years. He started at Eden prime, and thats where he
got your armor, if i remember correctly.

dident he say he started looking for shepard after he went missing? so he started at all the places he knew he went too

Modifié par Zemore, 04 février 2010 - 09:32 .

[Chrisimo79]

I won't allow the extinction of the Geth or the Quarians by the other.



I will help all Quarians who just want their homeworld back but fight those who wish to exterminate the Geth.

[Zemore]

i play a Renegade shep i spared the rachni and i will spare the geth and i also blew up the collector base Why? cuz if im gonna build an army no one else gets to call the shots no alliance no TIM the universe is gonna owe me the damn favours and it will be Emperor Shepard that reins supreme ....



so yay for saving geth and saving quarrians!!

[Felix Golden]

masterp1975 wrote...

Felix Golden wrote...

masterp1975 wrote...

I don't remember it it's said or alluded to in game. How long has Legion's platform been active?

Legion has been around sense you became a specter, he has been following you around for almost 3 years. He started at Eden prime, and thats where he got your armor, if i remember correctly.

I got that much, but was able to function as an idividual Geth prior to that or is his platform 3 years old?

The intention was to create him this way, he mentions the fact that he was built to carry so many more programs in him than other platforms because his mission would take him away from geth space and he would need to be able to think clearly in all situations (paraphrasing) so if he lost connection to the rest of the geth he would return to dur dur dur mode and get blown away, but this way he can still think and reason on his own outside of a collective.

[fecakovacs]

I would choose the Quarians, mainly because of Tali's loyalty to me and because they are interesting people. However as I played a more or less Paragon character I do hope that there will be an option to make peace between them. I persuaded Tali and Legion to cooperate, and there were ideas at the Migrant Fleet about peace, so I would say that will be an option possibly (make peace and lead them both against the Reapers).