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[Obadiah]

The OP asks the wrong (but still a good) question. I can sympathize with both sides, but the war between the Quarians and Geth is not Shep's problem unless either side tried to attack the Alliance or Council.

[Senk99]

IN one of the N7 missions you are on a fog-planet and you shut down a Geth terraforming device.

What is that for? To whom are the Geths terraforming the planet?

In the debrief section it mentions that you have acquired the Geth terraforming technology and NOT destroyed it.

Maybe a ME3 related decision?

[Proud Larry]

I thought it gave you an upgrade in the after mission report for that.



Also I believe it was called a climate control device not a terraformer? Similar concepts anyway.



I think the Geth were trying to make the environment hostile to organics (green gas? I'll keep my helmet on!) and also perhaps erode the rock around which those mineral deposits they were mining lay. Geth need materials too and that looked like a mining operation.

[FlintlockJazz]

Tyreal42a wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

To those saying that the Quarians should die for attacking the Geth: it's not the Quarians alive today who attacked the Geth, it was their ancestors. If you go by that logic, we should all be killed for crimes our ancestors did to each other, the Quarians today are being punished by being forced to live on ****ty ships merely for being born Quarian now, so are understandably upset.

A fine point, but do the Geth understand that? After all, the Geth are practically immortal and don't really have individual personalities.

No, but then the Geth don't seem to be bothered much, and don't seem to be holding a grudge anyway, I just meant that it's understandable that the Quarians are upset at what they are perceiving as being forced away from their homeworld.  I am curious that if you ask Legion about the recording he mentions that it wasn't actually the first time that a Geth asked whether they had a soul but that it was the first time the Quarians got scared at them asking the question, which raises the question: what made that time different from the rest?  Were there Quarians who were well aware of the Geth gaining sapience but keeping it secret for some reason, perhaps being more intrigued than scared?  Did they just not realise?

[mobomelter]

I guess when the quarians created the geth, the BSG series didn't exist in their universe. I know cylons aren't the same but the whole losing your homeworld and running away on space ships has been covered before. (Given the suits aren't covered) Anyways I don't see why with Legion they can't negotiate some treaty that says the geth leave the homeworld and give it back to the quarians. The geth don't even need air/gravity to work correctly.

[Railstay]

Geth. In fact, they still don't understand why the quarians tried to kill them in the first place, after all these years. Pre-emptive war simply doesn't make sense to them.



And what makes it worse is that nearly all geth feel this way. They're in complete consensus with one another, and you really can't get anymore truthful or objective than a machine. It's still doubtful if geth have "feelings", so to speak.

[Railstay]

Senk99 wrote...

IN one of the N7 missions you are on a fog-planet and you shut down a Geth terraforming device.
What is that for? To whom are the Geths terraforming the planet?
In the debrief section it mentions that you have acquired the Geth terraforming technology and NOT destroyed it.
Maybe a ME3 related decision?

I don't think it was a terraforming device.  If I remember correctly it was listed as a weather device.  Are you talking about the mission where it was all foggy and you needed beacons to navigate to the device?

[PingoBlack]

Well ... except that Legion at least hints at them being more than ready to talk.



They even still use the term Creators, not Quarians. Seems like a too obvious sign of respect, especially if they were warlike.



War is not the only solution, perhaps there is no need to pick sides. Militant quarian faction could be more dangerous than Legion's geth to the future of the quarian people.

[Railstay]

Katsaurs wrote...

Chrisimo79 wrote...

Katsaurs wrote...
Personally if the choice was ever available in ME3, I'd wish for my Shepard to diplomatically try and settle some sort of peace treaty between both Creator and Creation; I honestly feel it is possible for both to coexist on the same planet. No one on either side has to be forced to die for the right to live. Sure, the Geth can be dangerous, no doubt about it and some were rewritten for the reapers use, but the Quarians are smart; surely they could find a way to program failsafes or something into the Geth that they themselves would allow to be programmed into them, just to stop a repeat of the heretic code from happening.

I don't think the heretics were overwritten to follow the Reapers. They chose to side with them. And I doubt the Geth would allow the Quarians to program them.

If they weren't overwritten then ok, I can accept that it was a choice. What I'm a little confused about is if they work as a hive mind and all have the same thoughts and same choices, how come all the Geth didn't follow the reapers? I'm not sure if it was explained in game somewhere, I'll have to go through again to check but that's one thing that I'm a bit befuddled about ot if I msised something.

And as for being programmed, who knows? They may allow it for peace, or perhaps Legion is able to so himself. If he is able to rewrite/overwrite the heretics code then maybe he/non heretic Geth can find a way to stop such anomallies from happening again?

They aren't a hive mind.  I don't think even the game has fully explained it yet, but basically when they're together, they can combine their routine processing powers to free up space to consider bigger things.  A rough analogy would be like if a bunch of humans were able to sync up their unconscious functions together to be more efficient -- breathing, heartbeats, instinctive chemical reactions, etc -- so they can spend more brainpower on more cognitive pursuits like philosophy, science and so forth.  However, they all still make individual decisions, but there is no real sense of individuality in the mind of the geth because they always need to consult each other on decisions.  Lets say a geth platform is trying to figure out whether or not it should get a new gun instead of repairing its current one.  Out of 512 geth, 310 might vote to get a new one, while only 202 vote to repair, but the 202 will simply concede to the 310 because of majority vote.

The heretics are a bunch of geth who decided to follow Nazara and refused to concede to the majority, so the true geth just let them go.

[GenericPlayer2]

Its difficult to form an objective opinion on this. The basic story of the Quarians is timeless in our culture. You can't really look at them and not see BSG or Terminator. Or if you go further back in time, Myths of creation (being expelled from Eden because of picking forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge).

It comes down to whether you recognize synthetic life as being equal to organic life. Synthetic life does not value the individual, and can copy all its lost 'units'. Organic life views each individual as unique, and their loss as non-replacable. Sure some organics can put the community or put themselves ahead of someone else, but they recognize that when someone is lost, you cannot create an identical copy of that person. Synthetics have no such burden.

[atheelogos]

MatronAdena wrote...

I'm not on one side or the other, they both had their reasons for letting things escalate...they both have faults for not being able to end it all sooner....

Agreed. They will both have to learn to live together because neither is going away. There will be peace between them one day.

[AM50]

To be honest, I think the Geth were the ones wronged. The Quarians were the ones that started attacking the Geth. The Quarians acted and Geth reacted and owned them.