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[Taura-Tierno]

I actually enjoyed the equipment management in ME1, but I utterly hated the mako-exploration missions. I enjoy planet scanning a lot more than the repetitiveness of ME1 that you had with mako.



I don't think it feels rushed; it seems they've made some very thoroughly considered changes to equipment management and exploration. That's not rushed. You might like all the changes (I don't) but it doesn't mean they should have spent more time developing the game.

[Booban]

I agree with most of the other respondents.

I don't think its perfect, but they tried to simplify things so we can focus on the game.

All the gear in ME1 was a pain, it was too much sorting through all that junk. After every mission I had a ton of crap to sell or gel.

I wouldn't mind a couple of Mako missions, and I do miss the crouching.

But over all, less is more.

Modifié par Booban, 04 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[NeCrO_MeLoN]

mintcar wrote...

I'm usually not one to insult people for having a different opinion than me. It's not because I'm such a good guy, it's more because I usually don't feel the need to, as different opinions can be valid from a different viewpoint. You know?

Well, having said that, it still seems to me that all these people who flood these forums with complaints about ME2 are just crazy in some way. I can't understand their reactions to the game. Usually people dislike a game for rational reasons, but I can see none of those browsing through this forum.

By all means this is a completely awesome game, nothing to say on that. Its just the removal of some RPG elements from ME1 when it comes to customization,inventory and mako.  Sure there were some flaws in ME1 with the inventory overflood, and little differense between some items that make them unworthy of existense. But that could have been improved  and still kept the style to some level. In other means more RPG heavy than what it is now. Since the game aimes in that direction as well as third person shooter.

[dchalf10]

You moron, the amount of detail in the character development level detail, plot depth, story length, number of quests... are unmatched.

I thought ME2 was being overhyped before launch...I know now that every praise was justified.

[Malidinus]

Mass Effect 2 has very little content and the whole gameplay feels like 100% console game. I played the game through in 4 days and as far as I know I did everything. I even had over half a mil spare of all resources except Element Zero which was roughly at 150k.

Character development was a bad joke. The levels are pretty much meaningless and do not really add anything to the game. In ME 1 the character development wasn't perfect but it was light years ahead of ME 2.

Missions. There were absolutely 0 epic missions. They were all short, simple and mostly utterly uninteresting.

Combat: Pure console BS. The original system was better even though it wasn't very good either. The combat is 100% about cover which makes it overly simplified and boring. I like the idea of limited ammo but the whole thermal clip idea with a constant stream of replacement ammo lying around everywhere was just an epic fail. Heavy weapons was also a very dumb idea and I refused to use them most of the time. The heavy weapons also had insane amounts of ammo lying around everywhere.

Itemization: Worst ever. And I'm speaking here with over 25 years of computer gaming experience. Even C64 Elite (space game too) makes ME 2 to go sit in the corner in shame. ME 1 was also lacking on this department but again was light years ahead of ME 2.

Resource collection: Bad. StarControl II did a lot better job 18 years ago. Not to mention you have no way of utilizing the resources after researching the 'few pesky upgrades'.

Bugs: Some. The worst one is where your char starts going up. There's no way to come down so you're stuck and need to load your game. There are also some walls that all the NPC can shoot through. The party AI is also horrible and in some tougher fights you need to get your mates killed off first or they will ensure your death (they do anything in their powers to block your movement).

I was really kinda hoping that the part before Omega 4 relay was just tutorial and after that the game would really begin but.. no such luck. I don't think I'm going to get it but I'm still half-expecting to get at least 40-60 hours worth of free DLC. Currently I feel like being ripped off big time. On a rating scale of 0-10 I gave ME 1 the score of 8.5. ME 2 gets 6.8.

The galaxy is just so unbelievably.. empty. Most of the game is about getting your team and gaining their loyalty. If you'd skip any of those you'd get even less. Most of the development was apparently wasted on graphics. Good graphics only work on me when you have some content to show it with. 

Overall this is game is exactly something I would have expected of console games 10 years ago. Unfortunately I hate consoles and I'm purely into PC. If ME 2 would have been around 10 years ago on PC I might have given it 7.2 instead of the 6.8 I gave now. So yes, this game was definitely rushed and would have needed at least another 6 months of development. Hopefully they know this and will release the content we all deserve later as free DLC.

[accessd]

Personally I was dissapointed in the start as well but after thought it through I actually enjoy most of the changes.

Still think there should be light - medium and heavy armor though. More weapons (models) would be cool as well.

About the planet scannings...blah - sucks tbh but so did the mako. At least I can scan with one hand and drink beer while doing so ^^

The main story/campaign was way to short imo. I was thinking....this is it?! when I blew the base.

Modifié par accessd, 04 février 2010 - 01:36 .

[JamesT91]

even people who like the game have to see that it is a rushed sequel= it hasnt improved anything from ME1 theyve taken a lot of good stuff out like inventory, squad customisation, hundreds of side quests and they barely have a story out of all the missions there are what about 4 story missions? the rest are completely pointless and were rushed to make the game last a little longer



so the end result is a very short game that even on the hardest difficulty takes no longer than 18 hours to complete and you spend 16 of those hourse doing boring and pointless loyalty quests

[Schurge]

I think it was rushed because of the limited dialogue and the side quests... However I love the lack of a map. I feel naked without it, and it adds to the exploration factor and creates more excitment for me because of it.

JamesT91 wrote...

(...) you spend 16 of those hours doing boring and pointless loyalty quests.

You must be doing different loyalty quests than me, I found them to be fun and varied.

Modifié par Schurge, 04 février 2010 - 01:49 .

[accessd]

I also enjoyed the loyalty quests but hey....they were like 80% of the missions of this game?! When I was ready to kick some Collector-asses the game was over....

[JamesT91]

they were pointless as the entire human race is at risk and rather than quickly building a team and building their skills by fighting the colelctors u waste most of your time trying to befrriend them- it just takes focus away from the story- and thers barely a story as it is

[Youmu]

JamesT91 wrote...

so the end result is a very short game that even on the hardest difficulty takes no longer than 18 hours to complete and you spend 16 of those hourse doing boring and pointless loyalty quests

As opposed to the boring and dull sidequests in ME1 which are 40% of driving Mako over stupidly steep cliffs, and 60% going through the same 3 copypasta buildings (overground facility, underground facility, mine) over and over again? ME1 is really short game too, if you only go through the 4 story missions plus the couple bits at Citadel.

I don't see how you can beat the game in 18 hours either unless you flat out skip all dialogue and sidestuff. Over two playthroughs I've clocked in 64 hours, and I'm still going a lot faster than all the Curious-Georges around there who like looking at places and taking long pauses to admire sunset.

[Nomanking]

blow me but i love ME2...i dont know wat some of u nerds want.....as some1 said earlier too..the only thing i dislike was the main campaign was too short...lol i thought i'd kick some shell outta reapers/collectors but the game ended before i nearly started it. lol

Modifié par Nomanking, 04 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[CannonO]

Wait- You think nearly 2 and a half years is rushing?

I think any issues were less likely time related.

Modifié par CannonLars, 04 février 2010 - 02:37 .

[Shallina]

the complaint are true ecept for one. ME2 isn't a short game, it's a longer game than ME1 with more thing to do. But they cut to much element, inventory, skill management and many of the RPG element.



But they did a good story with many hours of gameplay. I don't know why they cut many of ME1 feature. Money problems ?

[JamesT91]

"But they did a good story with many hours of gameplay. I don't know why they cut many of ME1 feature. Money problems ?"



how can u possibly say that? mass effect one has many hours of story missions, more planets to explore and hundreds of side missions meanign it can keep u going for 40 hours plus



whereas me2 the supposed story including loyalty missions takes no longer than 15 hours and theres only about 6 side missions no longer than 10-15 minutes each

[Sean]

why do people call ME2 a FPS because FPS means First Person Shooter



as far as I know it is a TPS (Third Person Shooter)



but yes, I agree with you on the rest, it does seem rushed

[Clumsy Ninja]

NeCrO_MeLoN wrote...

I have now just completed mass effect 2 for the first time, and i must say, im kinda disappointed<_no vehicle to control and explore, like the mako. There is lesser inventory like no gear customization for squadmembers, except weapons. And yes there are more weapons in the sequel, but there fewer to choose from in each category, like 3 or 4. And the grenades have been removed, crouching has also been removed (shepard does auto-crouch when your taking cover, but this is something i would like manual control over, like crouching further away rather than directly into a wall, or while moving towards it).

Shepard is the only one that can customize his suit, which is hardly any point in, since the few additional body gear there is to choose from has little to no impact on the game. You will mainly rely on upgrading any of the few skills there are to choose from depending on the character, compared to that of ME 1. In fact all of this is compared to ME 1 which is sad. A sequal shouldent be lesser than the first.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

There's a vehicle DLC coming soon, so cross that off your list.  The gear customization is now global, via upgrades, so while they don't cosmetically change ( a valid beef) they do get stronger, and it's MUCH easier to manage.  Grenades were messed up in the first game, and have now been replaced with the more varied Heavy Weapons system, which I find more preferable... especially since they actually detonate upon impact now.  (Nice qaulity for an explosive projectile to have, no?).  And the crouch/cover system from the first game was broken.  Now it works, crouching automatically  as needed.  I like it better, honestly, because cover was completely unnecessary in the original game.  You could just side-strafe out of cover and retain mobility without ever requiring cover at all. 

So no, I don't agree with many of your complaints.   I like the new game better in almost every way.  (I do miss in mission squad interactions, and the no ammo requirement.)

[bjdbwea]

If you want to see a rushed sequel, look at KotoR 2. Now that was bad. ME 2 is still a much better job, but really suffers from over-the-top dumbing down, and outright removal of important gameplay elements. As well as sub-standard adaption to PC controls, which really surprised me from BioWare.

[Sovereign 666]

sounds like u mad...

[Sean]

bjdbwea wrote...

If you want to see a rushed sequel, look at KotoR 2. Now that was bad. ME 2 is still a much better job, but really suffers from over-the-top dumbing down, and outright removal of important gameplay elements. As well as sub-standard adaption to PC controls, which really surprised me from BioWare.

Im not sure with PC controls, but the 360 controls were also different in some ways

the EA effect

[Livemmo]

The series has been dumbed down so that idiots can bash their head off the 360 controller while sipping juicy juice. Bioware doesnt care about their roleplayers its all about attracting a new audience and making as much money as possible now.



Is the game bad? No. Its not a bad game. Its been stripped of everything that made it an rpg so that the fps crowd would play it. You know the people that play halo.

[bjdbwea]

Different is okay, but it makes no sense not to give PC players more hotkeys, nor to force several important functions on a single button. The options menu lacks important options too. So yes, the PC adaption was definitely rushed.

[DKnightPortela]

Malidinus wrote...

Mass Effect 2 has very little content and the whole gameplay feels like 100% console game. I played the game through in 4 days and as far as I know I did everything. I even had over half a mil spare of all resources except Element Zero which was roughly at 150k.

Character development was a bad joke. The levels are pretty much meaningless and do not really add anything to the game. In ME 1 the character development wasn't perfect but it was light years ahead of ME 2.

Missions. There were absolutely 0 epic missions. They were all short, simple and mostly utterly uninteresting.

Combat: Pure console BS. The original system was better even though it wasn't very good either. The combat is 100% about cover which makes it overly simplified and boring. I like the idea of limited ammo but the whole thermal clip idea with a constant stream of replacement ammo lying around everywhere was just an epic fail. Heavy weapons was also a very dumb idea and I refused to use them most of the time. The heavy weapons also had insane amounts of ammo lying around everywhere.

Itemization: Worst ever. And I'm speaking here with over 25 years of computer gaming experience. Even C64 Elite (space game too) makes ME 2 to go sit in the corner in shame. ME 1 was also lacking on this department but again was light years ahead of ME 2.

Resource collection: Bad. StarControl II did a lot better job 18 years ago. Not to mention you have no way of utilizing the resources after researching the 'few pesky upgrades'.

Bugs: Some. The worst one is where your char starts going up. There's no way to come down so you're stuck and need to load your game. There are also some walls that all the NPC can shoot through. The party AI is also horrible and in some tougher fights you need to get your mates killed off first or they will ensure your death (they do anything in their powers to block your movement).

I was really kinda hoping that the part before Omega 4 relay was just tutorial and after that the game would really begin but.. no such luck. I don't think I'm going to get it but I'm still half-expecting to get at least 40-60 hours worth of free DLC. Currently I feel like being ripped off big time. On a rating scale of 0-10 I gave ME 1 the score of 8.5. ME 2 gets 6.8.

The galaxy is just so unbelievably.. empty. Most of the game is about getting your team and gaining their loyalty. If you'd skip any of those you'd get even less. Most of the development was apparently wasted on graphics. Good graphics only work on me when you have some content to show it with. 

Overall this is game is exactly something I would have expected of console games 10 years ago. Unfortunately I hate consoles and I'm purely into PC. If ME 2 would have been around 10 years ago on PC I might have given it 7.2 instead of the 6.8 I gave now. So yes, this game was definitely rushed and would have needed at least another 6 months of development. Hopefully they know this and will release the content we all deserve later as free DLC.

This. Without a doubt. ME2 is now CODMWME2.