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[Mr. Nefarius]

...aside from gaining the Summer Sword, is there any XP gain in killing Ser Cauthrien <or> surrendering to her?

I only ask this because my first PC surrendered to her; completed the "Escape Quest" from Drakon; missed a substantial amount of game content and finished the campaign as level 22.  My second PC killed her; finished all content but for "Correspondence Interrupts" & "Untraceable" and ended the campaign as level 23.

it should be noted that my first PC was level 19 prior to the final quest chain: Redcliffe Village (Destroyed) and my second PC was level 21.

i was expecting my second PC to be at least level 24 by it's completion of the campaign. 

Modifié par Mr. Nefarius, 04 février 2010 - 08:34 .

[melkathi]

Well the max XP gain should be not to surrender, kill all her hangers on except for Cauthrien herself. Let her defeat you. Wake up in Fort Drakon and escape. Eventually meet her againat the Landsmeet and then kill her.

[sylvanaerie]

I always just stand down. Escaping Fort Drakon is one of my favorite sequences to play through. That one line "Kiss Arse" ALWAYS cracks me up. I usually let her live at the Landsmeet too. Being stupid isn't a big enough crime to warrent death imo. Plus though its misplaced you have to admire the loyalty she has for the creep she follows.

[Mr. Nefarius]

Interesting points brought up....never thought of waxing the adds and then dying to her. Yes the Escape is most rewarding...just was trying an Alt path...but was bumbed a smidge over the weak Xp gain in murderizing her & her whole posse. Too bad the Wardens couldn't recruit her over Loghain...cause she was 10x more man than he =p

[sylvanaerie]

Mr. Nefarius wrote...

Interesting points brought up....never thought of waxing the adds and then dying to her. Yes the Escape is most rewarding...just was trying an Alt path...but was bumbed a smidge over the weak Xp gain in murderizing her & her whole posse. Too bad the Wardens couldn't recruit her over Loghain...cause she was 10x more man than he =p

hehe QFT

[soteria]

Actually, you can kill her and then just die to the archers, too. You can even loot her sword, and still "die" and be captured.

[flagondotcom]

From a "max XP and loot" perspective, knock her out as well as all but one of the archers (and loot her body) during the first encounter, then allow the last archer to knock out your party. Fight your way into/out of the dungeon, and then kill her at the Landsmeet. You get two Summer Swords, etc. Note that the Summer Sword during the Anora rescue is slightly better (chance to knock back opponents) than the later version--another inconsistency.

[nikki191]

flagondotcom wrote...

From a "max XP and loot" perspective, knock her out as well as all but one of the archers (and loot her body) during the first encounter, then allow the last archer to knock out your party. Fight your way into/out of the dungeon, and then kill her at the Landsmeet. You get two Summer Swords, etc. Note that the Summer Sword during the Anora rescue is slightly better (chance to knock back opponents) than the later version--another inconsistency.

weird the later summer sword i found had the chance to knock back opponents

[-Conspirator]

You can kill her in the first encounter at the estate, take her sword and let the remaining guards kill you. The you'll have to escape, you have the sword and she still appears before the landsmeet.

[Eudaemonium]

She even comes back if you decapitate her. Interstingly though, if you fight and lose it seems to make the 'stand aside' persuasion options at the Landsmeet impossible to pass. On my first character I surrendered to her and then made her step aside later. On my second I fought and then died to the guards, and when I told her to step aside she refused. Both had max Persuade.

[soteria]

Must have been your cunning score. I've fought her and still been able to persuade her to step aside. It might have also depended on what dialogue options you took on the way up to the persuade check.

[DJ0000]

Yep, you need more cunning. I have never actually had a high enough persuasion score to get her to back down. Although, if I can't recruit her, I'd rather take her sword.



Also, I killed her just before the landsmeet and I still get the knockback effect on the Summer Sword..

[1079036]

KILL, no other word.

She has no honor nor respect (to the king) what so ever.

And I enjoy killing her too!

Modifié par 1079036, 04 février 2010 - 06:26 .

[RangerSG]

Seeing what she typically calls my characters..."kill." Heck, even my Cousland she gives her "I know about loyalty and honor, unlike you" carp. I personally don't get the love for her. She watches her liege lord abandon her King, knows he did it, and then is too blinded to admit the mistakes that HE is willing to admit even. Pfft...I like strong women, but being stupid isn't strong.



And what she calls female characters...nuh-uh...kill.

[flagondotcom]

I'll stand corrected on the "Summer Sword is different" situation, since there are two reports that it's the same and I can't easily test (I always just kill them all on the first meeting, so I'd have to go pull an old save before that point).



Someone ought to go fix http://dragonage.wik...he_Summer_Sword if they're so inclined...

[RangerSG]

flagondotcom wrote...

I'll stand corrected on the "Summer Sword is different" situation, since there are two reports that it's the same and I can't easily test (I always just kill them all on the first meeting, so I'd have to go pull an old save before that point).

Someone ought to go fix http://dragonage.wik...he_Summer_Sword if they're so inclined...

I do think there is something different about Cauthrein from encounter 1 to encounter 2 though. For whatever reason, she hits a lot more often the first time around. And it can't come down to my PC's 1 level difference for going through Drakon.

[Axekix]

RangerSG wrote...

flagondotcom wrote...

I'll stand corrected on the "Summer Sword is different" situation, since there are two reports that it's the same and I can't easily test (I always just kill them all on the first meeting, so I'd have to go pull an old save before that point).

Someone ought to go fix http://dragonage.wik...he_Summer_Sword if they're so inclined...

I do think there is something different about Cauthrein from encounter 1 to encounter 2 though. For whatever reason, she hits a lot more often the first time around. And it can't come down to my PC's 1 level difference for going through Drakon.

Supposedly she's classed as an "elite" boss in the first encounter, and just a boss in the second. 

I had no idea losing the fight was actually an option my first time around... I spent like 2 hours reloading on that fight (damn I wish I had brought wynne ><).

[sabreene]

Killing her and dying to an archer (to go thru the dungeon) is actually my favorite way to play. When I meet up with her again at the Landsmeet (restored your head, have you?! some poltice!) I usually decide to kill her or not based on if my character is more politic or not. And if they would relish walking into the Landsmeet covered in blood -- which some do!



On the Summer Sword issue: I've gotten two different swords once, and two of the same swords twice. I'm not sure if there was something I did differently the first time, as I wasn't really paying attention (first playthrough). But, the first play through was vanilla pre-patch. The subsequent times were 1.02 with mods. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, though.

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[Atranes]

Max XP strategy is set out above (kill her but die to the last archer, then escape and kill her again), but that's a lot of metagaming. While she's honorable, when she tells my non-human character to "be silent cur, your betters are speaking," it seals her fate.

[flagondotcom]

Related question: Does the "knock her out (or kill her), loot her body, then die to an archer" method give the PC an injury that disqualifies from the "I'm A Big Deal" achievement? I'm finally going for that on current playthrough, but I've also never actually done the "escape from the dungeon" sequence since I always just kill her entirely...

[mosspit]

I am pretty sure that "dying" in that battle does not give an injury status when you wake in the prison. Safe way is just to kill her and exit normally... you will be missing out on about 1k in exp tho.

Edit: Im wrong. Corrected myself below.

Modifié par mosspit, 06 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[MOTpoetryION]

i read that the sunmer sword is pretty nice he carries

[soteria]

Or you could just surrender if you want that achievement.



1 possible reason you notice her hitting more often the first time is from scattershot. When you're stunned, you're easier to hit.

[mosspit]

Whoa juz found out today from killing Cauthrien... Defeated at the Ser Cauthrien battle DO give an injury... It shows up as a +1 counter under hero achievements and you will get the injury codex. The weird thing is that it you do not wake up with an injury status.

To get the achievement you need to kill her and her mob or surrender.

[DJ0000]

flagondotcom wrote...

I'll stand corrected on the "Summer Sword is different" situation, since there are two reports that it's the same and I can't easily test (I always just kill them all on the first meeting, so I'd have to go pull an old save before that point).

Someone ought to go fix http://dragonage.wik...he_Summer_Sword if they're so inclined...

Actually, I did it again and I believe you may have been correct, I have only done the first battle with her so far but I think I was mistaken.