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[Mighty_BOB_cnc]

Can't tell if this is an ultra troll thread or a moron, but in any case, keep in mind that this "baby" is TEN F@*&#$^ STORIES TALL and can actually KILL YOU BACK which is something today's medical professionals probably don't have to worry about.

[Doug84]

Medet wrote...

You're funny. I like you.

Indeedie - very funny, he is.

[Dethateer]

ere5234 wrote...

@Dethateer

Well thats a very muddy ground to thread. Geth and Reapers, They are machines, i follow the same ideology as in BSG - Toasters don't have rights when they tried to kill me. Theres 2 Geth groups, Legion and Heretics - to me Legion is just the lesser evil. All self-replication machines are a danger to the galaxy, if we'd let the Geth go unchecked, we would basically create our very own self-engineered reapers in 50k+ years. Also since the Reapers are just another form of Replicators there is little technical difference between geth and reapers. Safe for the size and technology.

To establish what you think of souls, you have to ask yourself just 1 question, would give a Cloned human the same rights as an original human? Clones are no different from synthetic life.

Since the clone is a perfectly working sapient being with thoughts, desires, fears and emotions of its own, then yes, it does have the same rights as a human made au naturelle.

[Ammonite]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well technically, the baby is sentient. It didn't even learn how to speak before we killed it. Poor thing trying not to fall while we shoot it in the eyes. And all it wanted was a mom to wake its eyes upon. Tsk tsk tsk

Reaper baby going "Mommmyyyy" at femshep would have made for the most awkward boss battle ever.

[Doug84]

Ammonite wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well technically, the baby is sentient. It didn't even learn how to speak before we killed it. Poor thing trying not to fall while we shoot it in the eyes. And all it wanted was a mom to wake its eyes upon. Tsk tsk tsk

Reaper baby going "Mommmyyyy" at femshep would have made for the most awkward boss battle ever.

"Quiet dear, Mom has to kill you as you're an abmonation made from the bodies of thousands of innocents."

[xMister Vx]

^ They should've totally done that for Insanity. It would up the WTF factor by ten - but then it is supposed to be insane.

[Lucasian]

Obvious troll, but put in a way you almost wonder if it's true.



6/10 troll. Will read again.

[cooliofunktastic]

Anybody have any good dead reaper baby jokes? Anybody?

[nitefyre410]

debating the morality of destroying a machine created By the processing of tens of thousands of the humans genetic data.... Which by the way was also shooting giants flaming balls of the death at you too...



Was not a hard choice for me,,, the Reaper ate my bullets and that base was blown to hell...



and My Shephard slept next his Quarian engineer and lived happily ever after till ME 3 when I send its parents to same place i sent their kid.

[Huacaya]

The death of the Reaper was justified in my opinion. The mere fact that it is a reaper is NOT justification to kill it, and any inference that it has no right to live because it has no 'soul' or is not human rings hollow as any being that displays a will to survive, and therefor a preference to live, should be allowed to do so. This is not a black and white rule, as there are a number of exceptions to it, such as if one being attempts to willfully harm another being, it may forgo its right to live and be ethically killed in self defense. I do not consider that the Reaper had to die due to its nature, as it had not (yet) made any action to harm others. No one can state with complete certainty that this Reaper would attack the galaxy. I accept that it will most likely do so, and all information at this point informs us that to kill it would save many lives, but I do not find that enough evidence to terminate it without it first taking actions that deprive other beings of their rights first. The fact that is was made from thousands of human bodies I think at this point is not important. It has no control over how it was made, so it itself is not at fault here. I should also point out that self defense is not a valid argument for why Shepard killed its, as Shepard attacked first.



All that said, the Reaper still had to die. The reason for this is really very simple. The Reaper is currently incomplete, and while the Reaper itself does not deserve to die, the right it has to exist does not outweigh the rights of all the humans that would have to die in order to complete it.

[kab]

Reaper baby.



The other, other, other, other, other white meat.

[Akiada]

"I'm sorry, but your birth has been..."







"...Terminated."



YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH!

[Kenthen]

Huacaya wrote...

The death of the Reaper was justified in my opinion. The mere fact that it is a reaper is NOT justification to kill it, and any inference that it has no right to live because it has no 'soul' or is not human rings hollow as any being that displays a will to survive, and therefor a preference to live, should be allowed to do so. This is not a black and white rule, as there are a number of exceptions to it, such as if one being attempts to willfully harm another being, it may forgo its right to live and be ethically killed in self defense. I do not consider that the Reaper had to die due to its nature, as it had not (yet) made any action to harm others. No one can state with complete certainty that this Reaper would attack the galaxy. I accept that it will most likely do so, and all information at this point informs us that to kill it would save many lives, but I do not find that enough evidence to terminate it without it first taking actions that deprive other beings of their rights first. The fact that is was made from thousands of human bodies I think at this point is not important. It has no control over how it was made, so it itself is not at fault here. I should also point out that self defense is not a valid argument for why Shepard killed its, as Shepard attacked first.

All that said, the Reaper still had to die. The reason for this is really very simple. The Reaper is currently incomplete, and while the Reaper itself does not deserve to die, the right it has to exist does not outweigh the rights of all the humans that would have to die in order to complete it.

It's even simpler. It deserved to be destroyed as soon as it became obvious that the countless people that had ALREADY died went into creating the parts of it that were currently finished.

But that's assuming there's anything philosophical to it at all, which I don't find there is.
It's a reaper, it is the enemy, it is of the enemy. It is not actually an embryo, innocent, that is just a comparison to something familiar.

Modifié par Kenthen, 04 février 2010 - 03:50 .

[ere5234]

Dethateer wrote...
Since the clone is a perfectly working sapient being with thoughts, desires, fears and emotions of its own, then yes, it does have the same rights as a human made au naturelle.

So what is the difference to a reaper or Geth or a self-sentient AI? ;p True a human clone doesn't shoot lasers from its.. ehm, things but still ,p A clone is as much a perversion of nature as a sentient machine. And thats completely ignoring religious viewpoints.

Whats the difference between a machine that asks if it has a soul and a cloned human doing the same? Both are created by beings that are in all intents and purposes engineering life. Morally to me, there is no difference between a clone, an AI, the reapers, the geth and a toaster. They are all synthetics = Engineered. If my toaster asked if it had a soul that'd pretty much ruin my breakfast, so that'd be the worst thing ever. ;p

So yes, if i am king , i would outlaw clones, AI's replicators and sentient VI's. And not even for religious reasons.. (way to go off-topic, lol).

I find it interesting though, because the reaper is technically a clone. Just not of just 1 human.

[RampantBeaver]

haha finally someone else who also believed there should have been an option to let it live... it was probably just as scared of you as you were of it...

[elearon1]

I wasn't certain at first if this guy was real, but I think it apparent he was being satirical. And, you know, maybe if the Reapers had asked me about getting pregnant before going off their evil alien birth control I'd have been more open minded ... but as it is - the earth isn't going to pay child support for that thing!

[InHarmsWay]

It wasn't really a baby or embryo. EDI was using comparison in terms of how complete it was. An embryo does not start out with an adult frame. Killing this thing was the equivalent of killing a genocidal man without the lower half of his body (which was being reconstructed).

[Sunyavadin]

Assuming the OP wasn't joking....



By ceasing the flow of human smoothies to the Reaper you'd effectively cut off its umbilical cord. You did that the moment you freed people. The only way that baby COULD be brought to term is if several MILLION more humans were fed to it. Killing it was the only ethical thing to do in this case.

[jacksmedula1]

How do you turn a baby into a dog?



Pour gas over it and light a match... Woof.

[Abirn]

Somebody should email fox news and tell them ME2 supports abortion, I would PAY to see them talk out of their asses about that.

[NKKKK]

lol

[Gabey5]

abortion is legal in the future

[Dethateer]

ere5234 wrote...


So what is the difference to a reaper or Geth or a self-sentient AI? ;p True a human clone doesn't shoot lasers from its.. ehm, things but still ,p A clone is as much a perversion of nature as a sentient machine. And thats completely ignoring religious viewpoints.

Whats the difference between a machine that asks if it has a soul and a cloned human doing the same? Both are created by beings that are in all intents and purposes engineering life. Morally to me, there is no difference between a clone, an AI, the reapers, the geth and a toaster. They are all synthetics = Engineered. If my toaster asked if it had a soul that'd pretty much ruin my breakfast, so that'd be the worst thing ever.

I never said they're not the same, quite the opposite. I said they're exact same thing as you or me IF they are sapient (sentient means self-aware, not capable of thought). What makes them abominations, exactly? The fact that they were created by other beings?

[ThisIsMadness91]

If this is a joke, it's hilarious! If not, you're analysing it way too much. I found it meaner that we're forced to watch Lilith die than kill that human Reaper.