anmiro wrote...
Asheer_Khan wrote...
I stopped read in half (around page 12) of this thread because i just can't read anymore "Oh how TIM cares for humanity" and other crap...
it's true that he "revived" Shepard but did anybody of you question itself how collectors known that Normandy 1 will be in that particular sector?, moreover how was possible that despite engaging (theoreticaly perfect) stealth system collectors known VERY WELL Normandy's position what allowed them to catch Normandy off guard?
At one point I would have agreed with you. All through my first playthrough I was waiting for the revelation that the Illusive Man may have had a hand in the destruction of the Normandy.
Its established in the books that the Collectors are a very mysterious group who occasionally trade advanced technology for living test subjects of alien races. Since very little happens in the Galaxy that the Illusive Man doesn't know about, it stands to reason that he would have taken an interest in them, he may have even had some dealings with them.
They never really say when Project Lazarus was conceived. We assume that it began when Shepard is killed, but at the start of ME2, before the destruction of the Normandy, Miranda and Tim are having a conversation about all that Shepard has accomplished and how his talents are being wasted by the Council. He leaves off by telling Miranda that she needs to do all that she to ensure that Shepard survives. Very next scene Shepard is killed and Cerberus recovers his body.
Why would Tim want him dead when he openly says how important Shepard is? Well look at what he gains. First, the Council abandons Shepard's warning of the Reaper's and as a result people rally to Cerberus who have taken up his banner. Second, by staging Shepard's death he would also be allowing the enemy to think that a major threat has been eliminated. Third, let's not forget that over the course of ME1, Shepard starts investigating Cerberus and steps on there toes more than once. Shepard is a threat to Tim's organization, but he also needs him to fight the Reapers. So why not just take him out of the picture for a while.
I found it odd that the Collector's were clearly able to detect the Normandy despite its stealth capabilities. The Illusive Man has a great deal of information about the Normandy. So much information in fact that he is able to rebuild it bigger and better. If the Illusive Man had intel that the Collector's were suddenly interested in locating Commander Shepard and his ship, then all he had to do was pass that information along to them.
I put a lot of thought into this, but I don't actually believe it anymore. To much of this is based on Speculation and there are too many holes in this theory. I just mentioned it because your the only other person I've seen who shared this suspicion.
Let me say how i see this situation from perspective of ME 1 Paragon Shepard.
During ME 1 Shepard encounters various illegal experiments whit hints leading more or less to Cerberus.
until direct atack on Cerberus cell discovered by Adm Kahoku and what cost him his life.
That's why there is no need of finish Vulcan Academy of Logic to known that Pargon Shepard will never ever willingly work whit Cerberus.
The only chance to recruit Shepard was via "unrejectable proposition" aka Lazarus project and create feeling of gratitude for rescue.
However i admit that this was pretty high risk gamble without any guarantee for final success (too many unknowns) but apparently TIM was able to minitoring evry Normandy movement (otherwise how he could possibly known what assigment Shepard have in that system?), but apparently he known that something bad will happened , question is how?
Beside TIM never fully reveal what kind of information he gave about Shepard's connections whit Cerberus but after Horizon i started to analize Ashley's approach and i realizet that it's very possible TIM created picture that Shepard actually survived attack on Normandy and used this as oportunity to deserted from Alliance to join Cerberus.
Honestly i don't see any other logical explanation for that and beside, two years is in off time to created strong in off rumors to let them become actually treated as true facts especially when main subiect of those rumors is "unreachable" by any official authorites to deny or confirm those rumors..
But whatever those informations were they done thier purpose and must be pretty convinced since person like Ashley who was whit my Shepard from Eden Prime till last battle whit Saren start to unconditionaly believe that Shepard is a traitor.
I smiled when Tali says that she can borow me a grenade if i want blow up Cerberus HQ and i made her and Garrus pretty clear that i am not working for Cerberus and we might expect to be betrayd any time.
You might say that Joker and Dr Chakwas are too work for Cerberus but they are done that willingly when Alliance put them on the side (especially Joker).
Look here on todays Earth simple gossip can grow up to size of the huge affair and before victim of such do have chance to defend and clear his/her name is usually too late and he/she is tainted till last days, same thing could be in case of Alliance approach to Shepard ties whit Cerberus.
I would repeat this once more, those leaks must be very convincing if even Anderson believed them strong in off to authorized Ashley's Horizon assigment (you can learn this if you will spak whit him AFTER Horizon). in situation where Alliance almost not acvively support Terminus settlers.
Sometimes propaganda war could caused more colateral damages that actually dropped bomb and destroying Shepard's credibility whithin Citadel Space was the only way for TIM to assure at least small Shepard's loyality to Cerberus and convice her that Alliance practicly do nothing when "Reapers ante Portas" because he known very well that having Cerberus stamp on forehead she will not recive a slightes information about possible Alliance countermeasures to repel incoming attack.
But that's how i see this entire situation.
Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 19 février 2010 - 07:25 .
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