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[Shipwr3K]

humanity, **** yeah.

[Darnalak]

More hate:

1. Funded the Thresher Maw Experiment. (Corp Toombs if you weren't on Akuz, and you and Toombs if you were).

2. Killed Admiral Kahoku (and his entire team, trying to generate another thresher maw experiment).

3. Essentially Funded the Thorian Project through Exogeni. (probably owns Exogeni, but no real proof).

[Keltoris]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Clearly your delusion has rotted your mind.
It will be a joy to cleanse it's infection from this universe.

The funny part is, if you heard anyone else talking with the same fanaticism and you didn't know who/what about, you'd want to obliterate them.

Ever looked at your ships, you have slave gangs moving things. Not only horribly inefficient, it dehumanizes humanity. The goal of the Imperium seems to be putting a halt to the very things that make us human. Is it better to live a pawn or die free?


Maybe you all are right. Maybe. But the fact is, you can't admit there's a chance you're wrong. We can. Why are you so uncomfortable with ideas? Are you afraid that people will realise their lives are misery? Maybe if you had a decent government and efficient lifestyles, that wouldn't be an issue.

[fogofeternity]

Also, is it just me or is TIM the perfect guy for a Reaper ally? If they offered, say, to spare humanity while culling all the other advanced races. He'd jump at that.

[Keltoris]

Arcian wrote...

I hate these threads. It just feels like i'm surrounded by space ****s who hate aliens because they aren't humans.

Me too. I try to compensate by hating humanity in general.

[Erakleitos]

double post

Modifié par Erakleitos, 04 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[Senk99]

I don't hate Cerberus....

1) just listen to Mordin about what they have done wrong with the Krogans.

2) Check out what the Reapers have done with the Galaxy (ME1 speeches), how they have changed every intelligent species' evolution with their forced technology adaptation, finally making them available to create more Reapers.

3) Speak with Legion about the evolution theories of the Heretics.



If you keep the base you are following the Reaper's agenda. You are not only fighting against those thousands of Reaper ships, but the logic and way of future.

Are you sure Cerberus wouldn't sacrifice enough human lives to recreate their own Human-Reaper, before the nmy arrives?

'For the best of Humanity, for the survival of our race we have to make sacrifices.' I can totally see this coming from TIM.



I can foresee an ME3 ending where the new Reaper-base-species are the Humans and not the tentacle kind, like Sovereign & Harbinger (and the thousand of other reapers shown at the end)... and let the cycle restart again.



Ps: When will BIOWARE hire me? I have such a wonderful ideas. LoL

[Erakleitos]

The Shelf wrote...

Oh, how I hate Cerberus!  Let me count the ways:

1. Cruelly experimented on sentient aliens.
2. I'm pretty sure Cerberus killed some really good people in ME1 to continue hiding said experiments.
3. Ruined the lives of countless human children (Kaidan, Jack, etc.)
4. Lured Ashley into a trap (he's lucky we weren't in the same room during that conversation).
5. Lured me and my entire crew into a trap (very lucky during that conversation too)

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the ones that spring to mind first.  Yeah, the only good thing TIM or Cerberus ever did was bring me back to life, but that won't excuse them from all the wrong they've done.

I'm Commander Shepard, and I'm going to bring you down, Cerberus.

1. Trusting someone is noble, knowing their secrets is smarter.

2. No evidence

3. If you watch at security records while in Cerberus biotic research plant, you'll see that TIM is unaware of what's happening there.

4. What's more important? Destroying the Collectors or one individual life?

5. Same as 4

[Cool Cat 2999]

Well, first of all, the Illusive man has his own issues. Has anyone else besides my friend and I noticed his eyes have that same ire blue shade to them similar to Saren from ME1? Also, I understand that humanity is the biggest link, because of Shepard, but most of the other races are also important, but if Illusive man was all about humanity only, then why did he send you to get a team so diverse, it makes LA look racist. I myself don't hate him or like him, I am very indifferent towards him. They don't reveal enough in ME2 to really tell his true intentions. We will just have to wait for ME3 to make a final judgment on the guy.

[RPGmom28]

Shipwr3K wrote...

I still gave him the base. It was payment enough for bringing shepard back, and tho it would be interesting to see what cerberus can get out of it.

I gave him the base because Garrus pressed my character to do so.  He was her LI and someone she trusted and he made a case for it.  When he told her that if she didn't leave the base, everyone on it would have died for nothing, it hit me pretty hard.  I knew it was going to have major repercussions in ME3, though.

[quevemare]

After how the Illusive Man was acting at the end of game, it seemed as if he was just another guy with vision of the entire galaxy under his command. I prefered to destroy the Collector's Base and not let anyone to use it in a bad way. Furthermore, I feel like having much stronger army at my side.

[ReubenLiew]

Keltoris wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

Clearly your delusion has rotted your mind.
It will be a joy to cleanse it's infection from this universe.

The funny part is, if you heard anyone else talking with the same fanaticism and you didn't know who/what about, you'd want to obliterate them.

Ever looked at your ships, you have slave gangs moving things. Not only horribly inefficient, it dehumanizes humanity. The goal of the Imperium seems to be putting a halt to the very things that make us human. Is it better to live a pawn or die free?


Maybe you all are right. Maybe. But the fact is, you can't admit there's a chance you're wrong. We can. Why are you so uncomfortable with ideas? Are you afraid that people will realise their lives are misery? Maybe if you had a decent government and efficient lifestyles, that wouldn't be an issue.

Clearly it's because I can seperate reality from fiction, that's why.

[hgroce15]

I imported my ME1 Paragon Shepard. At first I hated that I worked for Cerberus in ME2. Then I went to the Council that I saved in ME1 and got the shaft from them. I have done nothing but put my @ss on the line and save their butts despite the fact they never believed or supported me in any situation.



Then I learn that Cerberus eventhough pro-human is concerned about the Reaper threat. Granted they are concerned about the Reapers destroying humanity and don't really care about the other races. But guess what. If the Reapers destroy humanity then they are going to destroy the rest of the races as well. Supporting and assisting the ONLY group that believes in me and the Reaper threat is the only way that I can help protect every other species.



I also found that my ME2 Shep slowly started drifting towards Renegade the further the game progressed. Being a goody goody can only get you so far. Sometimes you have to make small sacrifices for the greater good.



Right now I say screw the Council. I don't really like that I'm working for Cerberus, but I am. And I'm going to do what needs to be done. Does giving TIM the collector base increase the chance of Humanity dominating the Galaxy? Yes. But it also gives every other species a greater chance of surviving the Reaper threat.

[TarkNWN]

Thresher Maws are why when dropping onto a planet, we must always bring an armed-to-the-teeth Mako tank and blast everything with less than two legs.

[Shipwr3K]

tim needs to make a batarian reaper.

[Keltoris]

Erakleitos wrote...

The Shelf wrote...

Oh, how I hate Cerberus!  Let me count the ways:

1. Cruelly experimented on sentient aliens.
2. I'm pretty sure Cerberus killed some really good people in ME1 to continue hiding said experiments.
3. Ruined the lives of countless human children (Kaidan, Jack, etc.)
4. Lured Ashley into a trap (he's lucky we weren't in the same room during that conversation).
5. Lured me and my entire crew into a trap (very lucky during that conversation too)

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the ones that spring to mind first.  Yeah, the only good thing TIM or Cerberus ever did was bring me back to life, but that won't excuse them from all the wrong they've done.

I'm Commander Shepard, and I'm going to bring you down, Cerberus.

1. Trusting someone is noble, knowing their secrets is smarter.

2. No evidence

3. If you watch at security records while in Cerberus biotic research plant, you'll see that TIM is unaware of what's happening there.

4. What's more important? Destroying the Collectors or one individual life?

5. Same as 4

1. If they find out, you just made an enemy.  Spying is one thing, dissection is a whole different thing.
2. Kahoku. See also: Akuze
3. Granted.
4. Not pissing off the only guy you think can stop the Collectors.
5.   "    killing      "   "        "      "     "        "        "        "       "        " 

[kab]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

"The ends justify the means" is just an excuse for people who can't accomplish anything. Shepard doesn't need it.

The ends must always justify the means.

Shepard thinks they don't -- so the Illusive Man can go to hell.

[fogofeternity]

The role of Cerberus is logical in the context of the plotline. When you're fighting such a serious threat, particularly one that few people believe in, then you probably need fanatics.

Problem is that fanaticism has the potential to get out of control. Can see, for example, a later ME game set hundreds of years in the future where humanity acts as a facist regime that dominates and enslaves all the other races. All stemming from the fact that Cerberus helped Shepard save the galaxy.

Modifié par fogofeternity, 04 février 2010 - 02:44 .

[atheelogos]

Shipwr3K wrote...

i hope you do realize that all he wanted from the beginning was that base.

What are you talking about. He didn't even know there was a base until Shepards team had eyes on.

[Shipwr3K]

atheelogos wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

i hope you do realize that all he wanted from the beginning was that base.

What are you talking about. He didn't even know there was a base until Shepards team had eyes on.

I was referring to their technology. 

[Erakleitos]

Keltoris wrote...

Erakleitos wrote...

The Shelf wrote...

Oh, how I hate Cerberus!  Let me count the ways:

1. Cruelly experimented on sentient aliens.
2. I'm pretty sure Cerberus killed some really good people in ME1 to continue hiding said experiments.
3. Ruined the lives of countless human children (Kaidan, Jack, etc.)
4. Lured Ashley into a trap (he's lucky we weren't in the same room during that conversation).
5. Lured me and my entire crew into a trap (very lucky during that conversation too)

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the ones that spring to mind first.  Yeah, the only good thing TIM or Cerberus ever did was bring me back to life, but that won't excuse them from all the wrong they've done.

I'm Commander Shepard, and I'm going to bring you down, Cerberus.

1. Trusting someone is noble, knowing their secrets is smarter.

2. No evidence

3. If you watch at security records while in Cerberus biotic research plant, you'll see that TIM is unaware of what's happening there.

4. What's more important? Destroying the Collectors or one individual life?

5. Same as 4

1. If they find out, you just made an enemy.  Spying is one thing, dissection is a whole different thing.
2. Kahoku. See also: Akuze
3. Granted.
4. Not pissing off the only guy you think can stop the Collectors.
5.   "    killing      "   "        "      "     "        "        "        "       "        " 

1. Not all information can be gathered with only spying
2. They were sacrificed for knowledge who can save many others

[Keltoris]

Erakleitos wrote...

2. They were sacrificed for knowledge who can save many others

Yeah. Knowing how Thresher Maw venom works is going to save so many lives.

And Kahoku died because he found out about the experiments. That's simply covering the hindquarters.