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[Happykola]

they killed admiral kahoku :[

[zashark]

Cerberus seem like extremists! since they dont give a dam about anything really and hide under the banner of humanity, But the Illusive man gives the impression that he would sacrifice most of humanity to get what he wants. Utter dominance and i wonder, who will be leading the human race? "The means justify the end" My opinion of course!

Modifié par zashark, 04 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[mcharj11]

Shipwr3K wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Shipwr3K wrote...

i hope you do realize that all he wanted from the beginning was that base.

What are you talking about. He didn't even know there was a base until Shepards team had eyes on.

I was referring to their technology. 

TIM is actually at the base on the sly while your fighting the terminator.

[boardnfool86]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I truly enjoyed working for the illusive man, that guy have the same mindset as i have.

Does a "The means justify the end" attitude hold a high moral/ethical value compared to our 2010 western culture standards? Maybe not, but who cares? In a hostile universe as mass effect 2 it truly is survival of the fittest. And most self rightious good doers tends to end up dead.

The Illusive man has plans for humanity. He has ambition and he is strong and resourcefull and i wouldve followed him and cerberus to hell and back. Without him and cerberus recovering shepard the mass effect universe would probarly have ended in tragedy and annihilation.

I look foward to work for him, or even replace him in ME:3!

I have sole survivor background, Shep was not the only one to survive the thresher maw, just the only one cerberus didn't nab and experiment on... cerberus also unleashed the thresher maws on the marines. Cerberus also kills more marines witha  thresher maw in ME1, a rear admiral finds out, they kill him. They experiment with rachni and the thorian...

Cerberus is beyond redemption, they say the ends justify the means, but frequently these horrific experiments end in tragedy and there are no ends to justify any sort of means

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

boardnfool86 wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I truly enjoyed working for the illusive man, that guy have the same mindset as i have.

Does a "The means justify the end" attitude hold a high moral/ethical value compared to our 2010 western culture standards? Maybe not, but who cares? In a hostile universe as mass effect 2 it truly is survival of the fittest. And most self rightious good doers tends to end up dead.

The Illusive man has plans for humanity. He has ambition and he is strong and resourcefull and i wouldve followed him and cerberus to hell and back. Without him and cerberus recovering shepard the mass effect universe would probarly have ended in tragedy and annihilation.

I look foward to work for him, or even replace him in ME:3!

I have sole survivor background, Shep was not the only one to survive the thresher maw, just the only one cerberus didn't nab and experiment on... cerberus also unleashed the thresher maws on the marines. Cerberus also kills more marines witha  thresher maw in ME1, a rear admiral finds out, they kill him. They experiment with rachni and the thorian...

Cerberus is beyond redemption, they say the ends justify the means, but frequently these horrific experiments end in tragedy and there are no ends to justify any sort of means

This. Cerberus are the bastards of the ME Universe. At least with Shepard commanding the Normandy 2 those billions of credits can be spend for good, not the evil crap they were pulling in ME 1.

[Naltair]

TIM wanted the base and would have sacrificed anything to get it, he does not really care about human supremacy just the dominance of Cerberus.

[mcharj11]

Naltair wrote...

TIM wanted the base and would have sacrificed anything to get it, he does not really care about human supremacy just the dominance of Cerberus.

Cerberus is a pro-Human faction led by a Human therfor Cerberus dominance is Human dominance, also remember that Cerberus was setup by the Alliance as a Black-Ops agency against aliens.

Cerberus in mythology was the three headed dog that guarded the way into Hades, Cerberus in ME are the three headed dog guarding Humanity.

[Abriael_CG]

Naltair wrote...

TIM wanted the base and would have sacrificed anything to get it, he does not really care about human supremacy just the dominance of Cerberus.

He might care about human supremacy, but still at the cost of everyone else AND part of humanity as well. So no, cerberus is not morally justifiable. But it's indeed massively amusing to see how many threads come out with people bending over twice to try and justify their choices in a game, no? 

[Jigero]

Hey this sounds pretty familiar



Germans/Humans should take dominance of Germany/universe from the Jew/Aliens

It's alright if we perform horrible experiments on Aliens/Jews , it's for the betterment of Germans/Humans.



Kinda sounds like that Hitler guy

[Naltair]

mcharj11 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

TIM wanted the base and would have sacrificed anything to get it, he does not really care about human supremacy just the dominance of Cerberus.

Cerberus is a pro-Human faction led by a Human therfor Cerberus dominance is Human dominance, also remember that Cerberus was setup by the Alliance as a Black-Ops agency against aliens.

Cerberus in mythology was the three headed dog that guarded the way into Hades, Cerberus in ME are the three headed dog guarding Humanity.

That is misleading, he only cares about furthering Cerberus and then assumes by doing so it will help humanity, so far there track record has not actually been all that good.  In fact Project Lazarus is probably the only positive thing I can attribute to them.

[Peer of the Empire]

Cerberus has done pretty evil things. But I agree with their goal

HUMAN EMPIRE - ****** SAPIENS INVICTUS

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 04 février 2010 - 05:33 .

[atheelogos]

Jigero wrote...

Hey this sounds pretty familiar

Germans/Humans should take dominance of Germany/universe from the Jew/Aliens
It's alright if we perform horrible experiments on Aliens/Jews , it's for the betterment of Germans/Humans.

Kinda sounds like that Hitler guy

Bringing real world things into these forums never ends well..... I'll leave it at that

[The Governator]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

I truly enjoyed working for the illusive man, that guy have the same mindset as i have.

Does a "The means justify the end" attitude hold a high moral/ethical value compared to our 2010 western culture standards? Maybe not, but who cares? In a hostile universe as mass effect 2 it truly is survival of the fittest. And most self rightious good doers tends to end up dead.

The Illusive man has plans for humanity. He has ambition and he is strong and resourcefull and i wouldve followed him and cerberus to hell and back. Without him and cerberus recovering shepard the mass effect universe would probarly have ended in tragedy and annihilation.

I look foward to work for him, or even replace him in ME:3!

I never want to be around people who justify the means with the ends.  The illusive man is a evil ******.  He needs to get squashed.

[DarthReavus]

Before I start let me just say I didn't read anything of this thread other than page 1 and page 5. Secondly my opinion of The Illusive Man is this: he is the 22nd Century equivalent of Hitler. Jacob's comment about bullsh*t behind a smile is similar to Hitler in the 1930s. He electrified the German people with his talk of German supremacy, but very few truly understood what he planned to do to ensure it. I think it's the same with The Illusive Man. I suspect very few members of Cerberus and hardly any humans at all truly understand what the Illusive Man plans to do to achieve his goals. I doubt even Miranda knew.

[Orogenic]

atheelogos wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Facing an invasion by a reaper armada of unknown size and strength, there really is no choice but to keep the base. That technology may represent the only real hope for survival.

I would have flown straight to the citadel and petitioned the council for a multi-species scientific expedition to the base. The information is too powerful to rest in the hands of any single faction.

An Interesting idea. But if the roles were reversed I doubt they would include us in that research. The other races would love to keep us down and out of the loop.

No doubt.

Luckily, my Shep is not an evil, shortsighted, self-serving twit : )

"Everyone else sucks" is not a valid excuse for failing to do the right thing, both in real life AND in pretend galactic geopolitics.

[atheelogos]

Orogenic wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Facing an invasion by a reaper armada of unknown size and strength, there really is no choice but to keep the base. That technology may represent the only real hope for survival.

I would have flown straight to the citadel and petitioned the council for a multi-species scientific expedition to the base. The information is too powerful to rest in the hands of any single faction.

An Interesting idea. But if the roles were reversed I doubt they would include us in that research. The other races would love to keep us down and out of the loop.

No doubt.

Luckily, my Shep is not an evil, shortsighted, self-serving twit : )

"Everyone else sucks" is not a valid excuse for failing to do the right thing, both in real life AND in pretend galactic geopolitics.

I hear ya. Giving the the station over to the Council is the right choice, and its a choice that bioware wouldn't let us make for some reason... But when it comes right down to it I would rather have that station in one piece so it can be used against the Reapers. I may not like it, but if TIM has to own it in the meantime then so be it.

[Abirn]

Jigero wrote...

Hey this sounds pretty familiar

Germans/Humans should take dominance of Germany/universe from the Jew/Aliens
It's alright if we perform horrible experiments on Aliens/Jews , it's for the betterment of Germans/Humans.

Kinda sounds like that Hitler guy

And there is the godwin.

On a serious note, I played ME1 the paragon way and saved the cousil, what did they do?  Refuse to acknowledge the threat of the Reapers,  What are the other species doing to help protect the galaxy?  Nothing,  Regardless of TIM's intentions, he wants to stop the Reapers which SHOULD be the priority of the entire galaxy,  I now see cerberus in a different light,  willing to do whats in our best interest and preventing galaxy wide extinction.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am a huge Cerberus fan. Truly enjoyed working with them.

[pelhikano]

5/5 stars, would let resurrect again!

[drstrangelove14]

The Illusive Man has better hair than my Shepard and a higher income, what other reason would Shepard have for hating him.

[Schurge]

Reasons to Hate Cerberous:
1.) Torturing children. Whether or not TIM knew about Jack and the others is irrelevant, it just shows that Cerberous as a whole is nasty.
2.) Letting Alliance soldiers land in a trap so that they could experiment with how the giant worm-things acid affects the human body when you pump it through their veins.
3.) Messing with Rachni.
4.) Messing with Thorian Creepers, that sh!t was better off staying forgotten.
5.) Wanting you to leave the Collector hive intact so they could 'study' it, already knowing what that sh!t does to you.
6.) They killed Admiral Kohoku.
7.) Because they dislike aliens which means they dislike Liara, Tali, and the others.

Reasons to Like Cerberous:
1.) They understand the Reaper threat.
2.) They brought back Sheperd.
3.) At least they support their own.

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A few good decisions does not make Cerberous worth liking.

Modifié par Schurge, 04 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[MBirkhofer]

OP, did you actually play ME1?

If all you play is ME2, it's very possible to come to the conclusion the Illusive man has the right idea.

But in 1, its pretty clear they are recklessly endangering lives. As well as clearly have no moral compass in achieving their goals.

Whats the point of saving lives, if you have to murder millions to do it?

They also loose control of many of their experiments in 1. Unleashing rabid Rachni and Thorian are very much just as great a threat.

Think about the Geth/Quarians. Cerberus are playing with dangerous things trying to use them as weapons. Weapons that could very easily turn on their masters. And without any real oversight from governments or protection agency.

[atheelogos]

Schurge wrote...

Reasons to Hate Cerberous:
1.) Torturing children. Whether or not TIM knew about Jack and the others is irrelevant, it just shows that Cerberous as a whole is nasty.
2.) Letting Alliance soldiers land in a trap so that they could experiment with how the giant worm-things acid affects the human body when you pump it through their veins.
3.) Messing with Rachni.
4.) Messing with Thorian Creepers, that sh!t was better off staying forgotten.
5.) Wanting you to leave the Collector hive intact so they could 'study' it, already knowing what that sh!t does to you.
6.) They killed Admiral Kohoku.
7.) Because they dislike aliens which means they dislike Liara, Tali, and the others.

Reasons to Like Cerberous:
1.) They understand the Reaper threat.
2.) They brought back Sheperd.
3.) At least they support their own.

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A few good decisions does not make Cerberous worth liking.

I don't think they dislike aliens. At least not all of the people in cerberus do.

[atheelogos]

MBirkhofer wrote...

OP, did you actually play ME1?
If all you play is ME2, it's very possible to come to the conclusion the Illusive man has the right idea.
But in 1, its pretty clear they are recklessly endangering lives. As well as clearly have no moral compass in achieving their goals.
Whats the point of saving lives, if you have to murder millions to do it?

Let a million die to save a trillion. Its a hard choice no one should have to make, but at the end of the day it must be done. You can't hold anything back when fighting the reapers.

[pelhikano]

MBirkhofer wrote...

Whats the point of saving lives, if you have to murder millions to do it?

You mean apart from enabling ANY organic life to survive the total purge that is coming?