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[HunterX6]

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus
billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."

Do you think this ancients "beigns" will play a role in ME3? I sure hopse so, that would be awesome, ofcourse some people who have seen this too much (maybe star trek fans? i heard one guy saying such a thing) wont like this idea maybe, i know it would be pretty awesome since then it means that the reapers are the devil like ones while the other ancient ones are sealed and are he ones who can really help shepard against the reapers without costing too much death in the coming war .

[uv23]

I was expecting a reveal in the second, but I suppose it does make more sense to have them in the third. I wonder if they're the ones who created the 37 million year old impact crater on the planet by the derelict reaper, can't recall the name.

[screwoffreg]

That would really ring of the Babylon 5 plot. The Reapers as Shadows and the beings of light as Vorlons. It would be a bit deus ex machina though to all of a sudden bring in another ancient race of super powerful beings that now save the galaxy...

[Darnalak]

That...Would...SUCK Would turn all of Shepard's (and everyone elses) struggle into a sideline.

[Railstay]

I was hoping there'd be more about the Leviathan of Dis in this game. Hopefully DLC or ME3? ME2 really explained nothing, though. We have no idea how Harbinger is awake, who he is specifically and how long he's been operating. If he was around with Sovereign, why didn't he help Sovereign? Why didn't the Collectors help out destroying the Citadel? And then we learned the Collectors are actually protheans, which was a pointless revelation. The idea that they went from being extinct to genetically altered has no impact on the story. It still doesn't tell us anything about why the Reapers do what they do. It just tells us they use other races sometimes as servants, which we learned already in the first game.

[screwoffreg]

Darnalak wrote...

That...Would...SUCK Would turn all of Shepard's (and everyone elses) struggle into a sideline.

Exactly.  There are two endings I wouldn't like for ME 3.  One being a random GOD LIKE force that saves the Galaxy or another being that to defeat the Reapers, everyone has to become a primitivst and destroy the Relays, Citadel, etc.  Both would make me pretty unhappy as those endings have been done to death.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 04 février 2010 - 04:20 .

[xMister Vx]

^You summed up nicely, I'd hate to see both of these endings. As much as I like the Benign Precursors in principle, ME seems too much oriented towards these young races beating the ancient menace with their own wits.

However, there's the problem of it being somewhat... banal? Like with the Collector base. All we did - with a Prothean reactor, god knows how they figured out the system - was to blow it up using the million-year-old trick. I hope the final solution won't be as simple.

[screwoffreg]

xMister Vx wrote...

^You summed up nicely, I'd hate to see both of these endings. As much as I like the Benign Precursors in principle, ME seems too much oriented towards these young races beating the ancient menace with their own wits.
However, there's the problem of it being somewhat... banal? Like with the Collector base. All we did - with a Prothean reactor, god knows how they figured out the system - was to blow it up using the million-year-old trick. I hope the final solution won't be as simple.

I imagine without the Collector base there will be some sacrifice to be made.  Using the combined fleets as a distraction (like the Black Gate in Lord of the Rings) while Shepard and his team find some other way to defeat the Reapers?  Triggering a star into Supernova while the Reapers are present, killing everyone but ending the Reaper cycle?  Hell, it may even be Earth is used as the graveyard of the Reapers, a tempting bait for their fleet.  Either way, please no Battlestar Galactica "return to simple ways" ending...

[raist747]

Except the Vorlons never saved the galaxy. They helped, but in the end they were no better than the Shadows.

[screwoffreg]

raist747 wrote...

Except the Vorlons never saved the galaxy. They helped, but in the end they were no better than the Shadows.

That is true and anyway Bioware would have had to develop the "ancient" race for some time.  A quick appearance at the end would be terrible.  I am all for the idea of the current sentient races finding a way to defeat the Reapers on their own, without having to end galactic civlization OR rely on ancient God aliens.

[Zemore]

Railstay wrote...

I was hoping there'd be more about the Leviathan of Dis in this game. Hopefully DLC or ME3? ME2 really explained nothing, though. We have no idea how Harbinger is awake, who he is specifically and how long he's been operating. If he was around with Sovereign, why didn't he help Sovereign? Why didn't the Collectors help out destroying the Citadel? And then we learned the Collectors are actually protheans, which was a pointless revelation. The idea that they went from being extinct to genetically altered has no impact on the story. It still doesn't tell us anything about why the Reapers do what they do. It just tells us they use other races sometimes as servants, which we learned already in the first game.

harbinger has been awake the whole time it seems hes probrably been put with the task of commanding the collectors and gathering information on suitible races for turning in to new reapers since the collectors have been around for a while
his intial task may have been to actually make the protheans in to the collectors then use them for that end.

and once he found out Sov got his ass kicked by a human he started finding more for the plan

[Narosian]

I had a crazy idea about this the other day where dark energy somehow prevents these "beings of light" from helping organics and the reapers made the mass relays to create the dark energy so they can harvest organics without interference.

[HunterX6]

screwoffreg wrote...

That would really ring of the Babylon 5 plot. The Reapers as Shadows and the beings of light as Vorlons. It would be a bit deus ex machina though to all of a sudden bring in another ancient race of super powerful beings that now save the galaxy...

it wouldnt be a deus ex machina, bioware is know for their awesome story telling and i am sure that the discovery of a very ancient and powerful race of beigns will be pretty awesome, maybe they have to sacrifice themself at the end with the help of shepard and the other races perhaps, point is that it will be just stupid that shepard and the rest of the races solve the problem themself, are u serious? we are talking about reapers, why would they fail now when they have never failed before?

A straight on war wont help us win this battle no matter how many allies u gain. you need something powerful or ancient or a very very organized and perfect plan and trap (with a plan B and C in case)

Modifié par HunterX6, 04 février 2010 - 05:11 .

[elearon1]

>>we are talking about reapers, why would they fail now when they have never failed before?<<



No one was aware they were coming before, or ever discovered what the Citadel was in time to save themselves. This time we have foreknowledge and have gained valuable information about the race and how they work. It will still be difficult as hell, but we've got an advantage previous civilizations did not. And considering we've come this far on our own I would hate for another race to come in at the end and save the day - how cheap is that?

[Druss99]

Nevermind elearon1 said it much better than i did .

Modifié par Druss99, 04 février 2010 - 05:21 .

[HunterX6]

elearon1 wrote...

>>we are talking about reapers, why would they fail now when they have never failed before?

No one was aware they were coming before, or ever discovered what the Citadel was in time to save themselves. This time we have foreknowledge and have gained valuable information about the race and how they work. It will still be difficult as hell, but we've got an advantage previous civilizations did not. And considering we've come this far on our own I would hate for another race to come in at the end and save the day - how cheap is that?

i said help us not save us, meaning they protect us for maybe a limited of time or something, since maybe they have been sealed too long and now the reapers are too strong, plus if u kill the rachni, the council doesnt belive your reaper warning, and if u choose to let the quarians and the geth destroy each other, who will help u now?

how about this, how do u want ME3 to end, just that humanity exploit a weakness in their defenses or just destroy their main reaper and the rest die and shut down? that will be very lame.

give me your opinion.

Modifié par HunterX6, 04 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Darth_Ultima]

Railstay wrote...

I was hoping there'd be more about the Leviathan of Dis in this game. Hopefully DLC or ME3? ME2 really explained nothing, though. We have no idea how Harbinger is awake, who he is specifically and how long he's been operating. If he was around with Sovereign, why didn't he help Sovereign? Why didn't the Collectors help out destroying the Citadel? And then we learned the Collectors are actually protheans, which was a pointless revelation. The idea that they went from being extinct to genetically altered has no impact on the story. It still doesn't tell us anything about why the Reapers do what they do. It just tells us they use other races sometimes as servants, which we learned already in the first game.

What?  I thought it was pretty clear in the game that Harbinger was a Reaper out in dark space who was controlling the collectors by remote.  The collectors were not meant to usher in the Reapers return, only to study the civilzations of the galaxy to see which ones were good for harvesting.  Also it makes sense that the Reapers who have been around for a long time would have backup plans if their normal methods of wiping out galactic civilization did not work which is what I imaging that whole forshadowing about dark matter was for.

Although I do agree about the Laviathan of Dis.  I want to know if it was a Reaper or if it was something else.

Modifié par Darth_Ultima, 04 février 2010 - 05:34 .

[HunterX6]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Railstay wrote...

I was hoping there'd be more about the Leviathan of Dis in this game. Hopefully DLC or ME3? ME2 really explained nothing, though. We have no idea how Harbinger is awake, who he is specifically and how long he's been operating. If he was around with Sovereign, why didn't he help Sovereign? Why didn't the Collectors help out destroying the Citadel? And then we learned the Collectors are actually protheans, which was a pointless revelation. The idea that they went from being extinct to genetically altered has no impact on the story. It still doesn't tell us anything about why the Reapers do what they do. It just tells us they use other races sometimes as servants, which we learned already in the first game.

What?  I thought it was pretty clear in the game that Harbinger was a Reaper out in dark space who was controlling the collectors by remote.  The collectors were not meant to usher in the Reapers return, only to study the civilzations of the galaxy to see which ones were good for harvesting.  Also it makes sense that the Reapers who have been around for a long time would have backup plans if their normal methods of wiping out galactic civilization did not work which is what I imaging that whole forshadowing about dark matter was for.

Although I do agree about the Laviathan of Dis.  I want to know if it was a Reaper or if it was something else.

I think the Laviathan of dis was the first reaper who was constructed and was either put down or something, idk but for it to be billions of years old, it needs to mean something along with the "beings of light" what ever they are, still interesting, i hope they explain both in ME3 even if they dont actually save us cause i been hearing a few peoplecomplaining about it like wow. as long as they explain those 2 at least it will be pretty good for me.

Modifié par HunterX6, 04 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[Giantevilhead]

I don't think these things will play a big role in the next game. If you've ever played other Bioware games, you'll know that they have a habit of referencing things that never play a big role in the game. The only difference is that Star Wars and the Forgotten Realms have a lot more lore so they don't really have to expand on the minor details. For example, in Baldur's Gate, there are all these powerful factions that have taken interest in the Bhaalspawns, like the Harpers and the Zhentarim, and they could have changed the balance of power but in the end they didn't really interfere.

[Railstay]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Railstay wrote...

I was hoping there'd be more about the Leviathan of Dis in this game. Hopefully DLC or ME3? ME2 really explained nothing, though. We have no idea how Harbinger is awake, who he is specifically and how long he's been operating. If he was around with Sovereign, why didn't he help Sovereign? Why didn't the Collectors help out destroying the Citadel? And then we learned the Collectors are actually protheans, which was a pointless revelation. The idea that they went from being extinct to genetically altered has no impact on the story. It still doesn't tell us anything about why the Reapers do what they do. It just tells us they use other races sometimes as servants, which we learned already in the first game.

What?  I thought it was pretty clear in the game that Harbinger was a Reaper out in dark space who was controlling the collectors by remote.  The collectors were not meant to usher in the Reapers return, only to study the civilzations of the galaxy to see which ones were good for harvesting.  Also it makes sense that the Reapers who have been around for a long time would have backup plans if their normal methods of wiping out galactic civilization did not work which is what I imaging that whole forshadowing about dark matter was for.

Although I do agree about the Laviathan of Dis.  I want to know if it was a Reaper or if it was something else.

How was it "pretty clear"?  Where is there any suggestion he's out in dark space besides pure conjecture?  Also, the Reapers are supposed to be hibernating.  What woke them up?  If they aren't hibernating, then why leave Sovereign behind?  If his entire job is to wake up periodically and assess the state of the galaxy, it's useless if the Reapers all wake up and check anyway.  If Harbinger is keeping tabs on the galaxy in dark space with the Collectors, why leave a Reaper behind at all?  Why not engineer the Collectors to be caretakers of the Citadel, or have them be a sleeper race that integrates into galactic society, secures a Council seat and then activates the beacon?

The point is, any attempts to scrying out what and how Mass Effect 2 happened is all pointless because nothing is resolved.  Like I said, all you learn is Collectors = Protheans, and that's a pretty lame revelation to conclude for an entire game.  In Mass Effect we learn about the Reapers.  In Mass Effect 2, we don't learn anything more about the Reapers.

[NatPro38]

The leviathan of Dis was in fact Sovereign. If you read the first book and the codex for the planet it practically tells you this.



As for the reapers failing this time round, it has to do with the protheans and the medling that they did with other developing species. The Hanar claim to have gained speech from them and the protheans have been known to study early humans. perhaps they to interfeared with other races like the rachni before the were under reaper control.

[silverfoxIII]

That volus is related to the red sand addict on illum lol, but seriously i thought it was going to have a impact especially after Klendagon was brought back into the story, i remeber looking up at that planet in Mass effect 1 thinking that is some gun, why didn't we go research that weapon when cerberus found it?

[STG]

Sorry for the necro. Just came across this planet in my ME playthrough as well and it is indeed very interesting.

Not sure how I would feel about a ME3 ending where 'beings of light' save everyone.

[Mister Mida]

I sense a Deus Ex Machina plot device coming in.

[Sajuro]

screwoffreg wrote...

raist747 wrote...

Except the Vorlons never saved the galaxy. They helped, but in the end they were no better than the Shadows.

That is true and anyway Bioware would have had to develop the "ancient" race for some time.  A quick appearance at the end would be terrible.  I am all for the idea of the current sentient races finding a way to defeat the Reapers on their own, without having to end galactic civlization OR rely on ancient God aliens.

As they fly in they yell "Deus Ex Machina!"