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[ChyronBlue]

Hmm? Its not 100 is it?

[stillnotking]

I'm not sure exactly but I did not get the option on a Renegade playthrough with about 4 and a third bars and 4 points in my class skill. (Forgot the Death's Head mask on the ship and didn't feel like reloading a save game from 2 hours previous.) It was the only Renegade option in the entire game that I did not get.

[Movodor]

renegade or paragon, iirc. just choose the options on the left hand side of the wheel-passing that renegade/paragon check just gives you the option to choose between the two.

[DarchAngelDavid]

You don't really need to have a high renegade to kill Samara. I had the option with an almost perfect Paragon. I think it is about timeing and how well your conversation goes with her. If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

[stillnotking]

DarchAngelDavid wrote...

You don't really need to have a high renegade to kill Samara. I had the option with an almost perfect Paragon. I think it is about timeing and how well your conversation goes with her. If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

You need either a very high Paragon OR a very high Renegade.  Like (almost?) all such checks in the game, you can use whichever one is higher.

There are three "persuasion" checks you need to pass in your final conversation with her.  The first two are easy but the third is very tough.

[ChyronBlue]

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I'm half way in the top bar and it won't unlock. I guess it is 100%



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[Ryuushin]

wierd, i only had like 80% paragon and like 20% renegade and it let me choice after i choice "Suprise"

[Peer of the Empire]

DarchAngelDavid wrote...
If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

Exactly.  Shephard can't allow himself to be mind controlled by a serial killer.

[stillnotking]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

DarchAngelDavid wrote...
If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

Exactly.  Shephard can't allow himself to be mind controlled by a serial killer.

... which requires passing a very difficult Paragon/Renegade check.

[thisisme8]

stillnotking wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

DarchAngelDavid wrote...
If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

Exactly.  Shephard can't allow himself to be mind controlled by a serial killer.

... which requires passing a very difficult Paragon/Renegade check.

I think I was between 75-85% Paragon when I got the choice.  Couldn't get it Renegade because I tried the mission too early and picked the Passive skill that doesn't affect your Charm/Intimidate skills.

But the above posts are correct.  You can be Paragon or Renegade as long as you are pretty high up there.  Try equipping the Death Mask before you do the mission, even though you are not wearing your armor during the scene, I'm not sure whether or not your stats know the difference.  Worth a try.

[Anthropophobic]

You can do it with either high paragon or renegade, but I'm pretty sure you get an enormous amount of renegade points for picking Morinth over Samara. I saved Samara and got like 45 paragon points or something. I imagine it would be the same for Morinth, only in renegade points.

[Peer of the Empire]

stillnotking wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

DarchAngelDavid wrote...
If you don't let her take control of you then I think you will have a chance to get her.

Exactly.  Shephard can't allow himself to be mind controlled by a serial killer.

... which requires passing a very difficult Paragon/Renegade check.

Paragon or Renegade, Shephard can't allow himself to be mind controlled by a serial killer.  That is why she is not even an option

[Axx Bytehoven]

Does Morinth's DOMINATION skill work on collectors enemies?

[ForcedWits2]

I was at about 90% Paragon and maybe 35-40% Renegade, and it let me choose who to let live after I selected "Surprise", but it didn't let me if I choose to play along with her.

[GnusmasTHX]

You don't need any renegade.



At the very least I was like 90-100% paragon, and 10-20 % renegade and I was given the option.

[Gilead26]

if you have enough paragon/renegade to due the persuade option while on the couch with her (as opposed to saying "can't...think" you will have the option the choose between Morinth and Samara

[PeteTSM]

I am having a problem picking the resist option and I am past the 4th bar on the Renegade track. I tried it earlier before the Reaper IFF mission and I didnt have enough, so I saved it until I finished the rest of the loyalty missions and the Reaper IFF mission, so I got up to the 4th bar in Renegade, and it STILL wouldnt let me resist her!



And I'm not the only one this is happening to. I found a thread on the gamespot forums where the guy is having the same issue. Sounds like the OP of this thread is seeing the same thing.



I had all the right convo options with her in the club, almost full renegade, and I still couldnt resist. Could this be a bug?

[KillaKow]

I've heard that some Paragon/Renegade checks are imbalanced, I.E. the Paragon option will require a higher Paragon score than score required for the Renegade option. For example iirc the Jack vs. Miranda conversation requires more Paragon points for the charm option than Renegade point for the intimidate option. Also I think the reverse is so for the Tali/Legion argument.



Perhaps the charm option requires less points than the intimidate option?

[Ecael]

PeteTSM wrote...

I am having a problem picking the resist option and I am past the 4th bar on the Renegade track. I tried it earlier before the Reaper IFF mission and I didnt have enough, so I saved it until I finished the rest of the loyalty missions and the Reaper IFF mission, so I got up to the 4th bar in Renegade, and it STILL wouldnt let me resist her!

And I'm not the only one this is happening to. I found a thread on the gamespot forums where the guy is having the same issue. Sounds like the OP of this thread is seeing the same thing.

I had all the right convo options with her in the club, almost full renegade, and I still couldnt resist. Could this be a bug?

Here:

Ecael wrote...

Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with an import bonus from ME1 for those extra Paragon/Renegade points.

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.

[Schneidend]

Your Renegade score is irrelevant, but your Moron score must be at least 80.

[Canned Bullets]

Why would you want a Succubos on your team?

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 09 mars 2010 - 01:12 .

[JedTed]

[quote]Ecael wrote...

Kim Stolz (BioWare) recently revealed the secret behind Paragon and Renegade in one of the technical support forums. The game basically keeps its own hidden bar of the maximum amount of Paragon or Renegade you can get every time you enter an area. It then takes a percentage of that hidden bar to calculate how much you need at that moment to pass the check. The more times you miss a possible place to get Paragon or Renegade, the more checks you eventually fail. The more checks you fail, the more you miss getting Paragon or Renegade. It's a snowball effect.

To simplify: The game keeps track of all of your missed opportunities in getting Paragon or Renegade in every single area. If you start falling behind, you will most likely never catch up. You HAVE to continuously act Paragon OR Renegade. This becomes much easier if you start out with an import bonus from ME1 for those extra Paragon/Renegade points.

In addition, the ship arguments have different percentages. Miranda/Jack is easier to resolve with Renegade and Tali/Legion is easier to resolve with Paragon. That import bonus provides a safety net in case you miss some opportunities. Doing the mission earlier can be slightly in your favor only because you haven't missed as many opportunities yet.[/quote]
[/quote]

Thanks a lot for posting that!  I've been struggling with the Morinth/Samara thing for a while myself and hopefully this will help.  I remember someone saying that if you knock out the loyalty missions early then you need less Paragon/Renegade to resolve the desputes.

For example: I did Miranda's mission right after Horizon and after that i did Jack's mission.  When i returned to the Normandy to settle the dispute between the two of them i was able to use the charm dialog and i had less than 50% at the time.  If you don't do Jack's mission as soon as it becomes available then it gets harder and harder to settle the dispute.

Somebody should probebly sticky this thread so people stop re-posting it.

[CarpeOmnios]

I don't actually know what I've been doing wrong, but lately on my playthroughs I never get the choice to kill Morinth/save Morinth. Samara always kills her. *shrug* Probably not a high enough paragon/renegade bar.

[GodWood]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Why would you want a Succubos on your team?

Because if you're renegade Samara wants to kill you.

[Computron2000]

Note that your actual paragon/renegade points are not 100% even if the bar is full. If you view your points thorugh various memory editors, you can see that it is quite far from being full. I completed the game at 1200 paragon out of 1900+ and still showed a full bar.



To see without uusing an editor, use a retrain option then pick the class that is at 70% bonus to paragon, you will find your bar drops. Interestingly this means that if you want more flexibility in your choices, your upgraded class will be likely weaker in combat. A trade off