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A letter to the developers. Attn: Casey Hudson, Derek Watts, Christina Norman, Jack Wall & team


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#26
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Still playing, blown away.

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I couldn't agree more. Mass Effect 1 was my favourite game of all time but 2 is even better. Bioware have done an amazing job.



I adore the extra media we're getting too like the books and comic book. I just love the world of Mass Effect.



Keep up the good work guys!

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All the Bioware teams have something to be proud of so far. Dragon Age and ME 2 in particular. It has been a great few months for Bioware and if things keep up this way I am sure it will continue to be their year.

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Agreed!

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some of it needs to be fixed, like the Conrad Vernor side mission because I did the paragon way in ME1 and he was talking about me doing the renegade way in ME2

the Hammerhead needs to be a good replacement for the planet scanning

and they need to update the inventory system because it is flawed

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Agreed - THANKS BIO GUYS AND GALS. From South-africa with much fondness, thank you for a kick ass game that completely exceeded my expectations.

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Mass Effect feels like the most extensive fictional world I've ever seen. The level of detail that went into every aspect, from racial cultures to the sci-fi techno-babble, is astounding. Excellent job all around.

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If you want to send a proper letter:

BioWare Edmonton
200, 4445 Calgary Trail
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada T6H 5R7

and/or

BioWare Austin
8300 North Mo-Pac Expressway, Suite 300
Austin, TX 78759

Modifié par Vavavoooom, 04 février 2010 - 08:39 .


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- To be perfectly honest and blunt, BioWare deserves absolutely none of the praise they've been getting nor do they deserve any type of respect. It's laughable when the Bio-Praise comes pouring in: "Oh this is the best game ever! It's so perfect"... No, it isn't. It's by far the most horrendous excuse for an 'RPG'.

There are so many problems and flaws FROM THE START of the game, that I can't see how anyone in their right mind would think this was a good game. Starting with the character-customisation, which was left completely untouched with no additional features nor improvements of any kind despite the fan feedback about how lackluster and downright terrible the system was. BioWare ignores that in favour of cashing in on the Call of Duty franchise by releasing a space sequel.

Since the character-customisation system is so flawed (lack of options, lightning, angle, etc.) more often than not there is something wrong with the custom Shepard [not to mention, ALL male custom Shepards look like **** - I dare anyone to show a picture of a good male Shepard]. So every-time I want to retry my hand at making a custom Shepard, I have the pleasure of being UNABLE TO SKIP THE LONG, OVER-EXTENDED CUTSCENE, continuing forward to an obnoxious, unnecessary game-play scenario that just leaves me with ANOTHER cutscene that I can't skip.

That's just the character-customisation and first minutes of starting a new game, you can only imagine the gaping flaws that extend throughout the entirety of the game itself.

That being said, I can only Laugh Out Loud at anyone who thinks BioWare has proved themselves anything other than flat-out lazy, shoddy, second-rate, and ******-poor developers who BRIBE REVIEWERS to give them good scores.

Oh, you actually thought North American video game reviewers were legitimate and weren't 100% influenced with money/bias? I can only imagine how many times you've been ripped off by late-night infomercials then.

BioWare proves once again that they could care less about the player but only care about the Mass Profit$ to line their already-fattened bank accounts. They make me sick.

What's worse is that YOU, the fans, the customers, don't give PROPER criticism but would rather tell BioWare "Thank You" for basically putting on the Cruise Control and picking up the Cheeto's rather than doing work and y'know, making a good sequel. All you're doing is encouraging BioWare to keep up the mediocrity.

Modifié par Silent Friend, 04 février 2010 - 08:47 .


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There's a reason I ended up getting each and every (PC) game Bioware developed over the years. I don't think there's another studio where I did the same. Blizzard maybe?



Still, Bioware games can usually contend with my favourite books and movies in terms of gripping me and not letting go anytime soon. :)



I just wish they didn't catapult me from fantasy to SciFi to fantasy and back again all the time. It's hard to play DA:O (Return to Ostagar) after saving the galaxy yet again. DA:O feels so small after Mass Effect, but Mass Effect seems so far out there when I'm in the Dragon Age Universe. Heh. :P

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I just wish they didn't catapult me from fantasy to SciFi to fantasy and back again all the time. It's hard to play DA:O (Return to Ostagar) after saving the galaxy yet again. DA:O feels so small after Mass Effect, but Mass Effect seems so far out there when I'm in the Dragon Age Universe. Heh. :P


Heh, interestingly enough, I've been playing primarily ME1 for the last month or so to get multiple characters ready for import. Last weekend I had to format my PC and while I was reinstalling Dragon Age, I hopped in game just to see if it was working and it felt amazingly awesome to kill and jump on top of an ogre.

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I haven't finished the story yet but already i agree with this thread. I was a little scared of the changes to gameplay at first but i've gotten used to it and now i love ME2 as much as i did the first(if not more).



BioWare Strikes Again!


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Silent Friend wrote...

- To be perfectly honest and blunt, BioWare deserves absolutely none of the praise they've been getting nor do they deserve any type of respect. It's laughable when the Bio-Praise comes pouring in: "Oh this is the best game ever! It's so perfect"... No, it isn't. It's by far the most horrendous excuse for an 'RPG'.

There are so many problems and flaws FROM THE START of the game, that I can't see how anyone in their right mind would think this was a good game. Starting with the character-customisation, which was left completely untouched with no additional features nor improvements of any kind despite the fan feedback about how lackluster and downright terrible the system was. BioWare ignores that in favour of cashing in on the Call of Duty franchise by releasing a space sequel.

Since the character-customisation system is so flawed (lack of options, lightning, angle, etc.) more often than not there is something wrong with the custom Shepard [not to mention, ALL male custom Shepards look like **** - I dare anyone to show a picture of a good male Shepard]. So every-time I want to retry my hand at making a custom Shepard, I have the pleasure of being UNABLE TO SKIP THE LONG, OVER-EXTENDED CUTSCENE, continuing forward to an obnoxious, unnecessary game-play scenario that just leaves me with ANOTHER cutscene that I can't skip.

That's just the character-customisation and first minutes of starting a new game, you can only imagine the gaping flaws that extend throughout the entirety of the game itself.

That being said, I can only Laugh Out Loud at anyone who thinks BioWare has proved themselves anything other than flat-out lazy, shoddy, second-rate, and ******-poor developers who BRIBE REVIEWERS to give them good scores.

Oh, you actually thought North American video game reviewers were legitimate and weren't 100% influenced with money/bias? I can only imagine how many times you've been ripped off by late-night infomercials then.

BioWare proves once again that they could care less about the player but only care about the Mass Profit$ to line their already-fattened bank accounts. They make me sick.

What's worse is that YOU, the fans, the customers, don't give PROPER criticism but would rather tell BioWare "Thank You" for basically putting on the Cruise Control and picking up the Cheeto's rather than doing work and y'know, making a good sequel. All you're doing is encouraging BioWare to keep up the mediocrity.


Just because Mass Effect is not a RPG does not mean the game sucks. Quite the contrary in fact.

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Silent Friend wrote...

- To be perfectly honest and blunt, BioWare deserves absolutely none of the praise they've been getting nor do they deserve any type of respect. It's laughable when the Bio-Praise comes pouring in: "Oh this is the best game ever! It's so perfect"... No, it isn't. It's by far the most horrendous excuse for an 'RPG'.


Wrong forum. Mass Effect is a Science Fiction franchise. Trolls are fantasy creatures. Posted Image

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First, a thank you to Bioware for an amazing game. I'm still playing through it and enjoying every minute.



Second, I'd like to point out to Silent Friend that not everyone has your taste in games. Sorry this one isn't to your liking, but there's no reason for you to assume that everyone will dislike this game because you did. As you can see, many people here really like this game and believe that Bioware deserves all the recognition it is getting.

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Silent Friend wrote...

- To be perfectly honest and blunt, BioWare deserves absolutely none of the praise they've been getting nor do they deserve any type of respect. It's laughable when the Bio-Praise comes pouring in: "Oh this is the best game ever! It's so perfect"... No, it isn't. It's by far the most horrendous excuse for an 'RPG'.

There are so many problems and flaws FROM THE START of the game, that I can't see how anyone in their right mind would think this was a good game. Starting with the character-customisation, which was left completely untouched with no additional features nor improvements of any kind despite the fan feedback about how lackluster and downright terrible the system was. BioWare ignores that in favour of cashing in on the Call of Duty franchise by releasing a space sequel.

Since the character-customisation system is so flawed (lack of options, lightning, angle, etc.) more often than not there is something wrong with the custom Shepard [not to mention, ALL male custom Shepards look like **** - I dare anyone to show a picture of a good male Shepard]. So every-time I want to retry my hand at making a custom Shepard, I have the pleasure of being UNABLE TO SKIP THE LONG, OVER-EXTENDED CUTSCENE, continuing forward to an obnoxious, unnecessary game-play scenario that just leaves me with ANOTHER cutscene that I can't skip.

That's just the character-customisation and first minutes of starting a new game, you can only imagine the gaping flaws that extend throughout the entirety of the game itself.

That being said, I can only Laugh Out Loud at anyone who thinks BioWare has proved themselves anything other than flat-out lazy, shoddy, second-rate, and ******-poor developers who BRIBE REVIEWERS to give them good scores.

Oh, you actually thought North American video game reviewers were legitimate and weren't 100% influenced with money/bias? I can only imagine how many times you've been ripped off by late-night infomercials then.

BioWare proves once again that they could care less about the player but only care about the Mass Profit$ to line their already-fattened bank accounts. They make me sick.

What's worse is that YOU, the fans, the customers, don't give PROPER criticism but would rather tell BioWare "Thank You" for basically putting on the Cruise Control and picking up the Cheeto's rather than doing work and y'know, making a good sequel. All you're doing is encouraging BioWare to keep up the mediocrity.


Do you think they're any more inclined to change by what you've said? Like any game, ME2 has its good things and its bad things. By calling them bribing, ****** poor developers, I can surely promise you you do -nothing- to help the cause of providing feedback for ME3 to be the game we all want it to be.

The desire to for Bioware to produce a wonderful third installment is an entirely reasonable one, but your delivery costs you your message.

CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, not -angry rants- might catch their eye. By making the latter, you ensure none will even take into consideration what you have to say, and anything productive that you could bring to the table is lost.

Could you call that immature? Also entirely reasonable? Yes.

If you worked on something, you'll naturally want to make the next evolution an improvement. If people come up to you and yell "YOU'RE A GREEDY BASTARD WHO JUST WANTED MY MONEY AND HALF ASSED YOUR WORK, THE NEXT ONE BETTER BE BETTER!

Do you think that any valid criticism you have will make it through?

Honestly. We -want- ME3 to be an amazingly awesome game, don't we? Why not? You're just frankly... not helping by doing this.

#42
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Andorfiend wrote...

Silent Friend wrote...

- To be perfectly honest and blunt, BioWare deserves absolutely none of the praise they've been getting nor do they deserve any type of respect. It's laughable when the Bio-Praise comes pouring in: "Oh this is the best game ever! It's so perfect"... No, it isn't. It's by far the most horrendous excuse for an 'RPG'.


Wrong forum. Mass Effect is a Science Fiction franchise. Trolls are fantasy creatures. Posted Image


- You do realize that you're fitting the very definition of trolling, don't you? As opposed to providing any semblance of a constructive rebuttal, you would cite a portion of my post and then (baselessly) call me a troll and provide nothing more than a smiley to back up that claim.

My response to you? Pipe down. You're demonstrating yourself to be nothing short than a blabbering buffoon.

Modifié par Silent Friend, 04 février 2010 - 09:15 .


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Just finished the game and it was bloody awesome! Can't wait for new Cerberus Network content and Mass Effect 3. Thank you so much Bioware for the awesome games you make!

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VaguelyAware wrote...

Second, I'd like to point out to Silent Friend that not everyone has your taste in games. Sorry this one isn't to your liking, but there's no reason for you to assume that everyone will dislike this game because you did. As you can see, many people here really like this game and believe that Bioware deserves all the recognition it is getting.



Although I dislike giving attention to the most negative post in such a positive topic I want to say that I agree with that statement.

Everyone has different tastes in games just like they do in books, movies, TV, etc. If you don't like the game or particular things in it annoy you then that's a shame, this game just isn't for you then. I suggest spending your time looking for a game you do enjoy as much as we enjoyed Mass Effect 2. It would make us all happier, you included. Everyone wins.

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Silent Friend wrote...

- You do realize that you're fitting the very definition of trolling, don't you? As opposed to providing any semblance of a constructive rebuttal, you would cite a portion of my post and then (baselessly) call me a troll and provide nothing more than a smiley to back up that claim.

My response to you? Pipe down. You're demonstrating yourself to be nothing short than a blabbering buffoon.



Your post was worthless,since you perceive Bioware as being more or less talentless.If they are second rate,no point in saying anything else since they shouldn't have the necesary talent to improve.

You are trolling,no more and no less.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

I've forwarded your comments to Casey, Derek, and Christina for you (I don't have an email for Jack Wall). Warm fuzzies all around!

Yay for the warm fuzzies! =)


To Silent Friend: So, as I can understand your points are:

1. ME is not RPG.
2. Not skippable intro.
3. Bad character creator.

Point one: For me, genre of the game is irrelevant as long as the game is interesting. If you dont like RPG-Shooters, well, too bad for you - play BG again =) This all comes to personal preference.

Point two: Not skippable intro is not a game breaking thing (unless you create 20 new faces a day)

Point three: This is not Sims anyway :P

So, as it is figured out, points 2 and 3 are not that important to the end score, i.e. the main reason you think ME2 is an epic failure is because the game is more Shooter and less RPG, which just means that ME series are not for you. :bandit:

Modifié par TheQwertiest, 04 février 2010 - 09:27 .


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Silent Friend ... you trolled in an appreciation thread with an extremely opinionated negative response. Whatever, I'll bite.



On creating a male shep face:

I was able to have my import characters from part 1 and they looked the same just with a better resolution. WAY COOL.



I made 2 brand new faces for a couple new male sheps that I thought turned out great. Your opinion is purely that, opinion. The face gen software is cool and offers the chance to make quite an array of different looking sheps.



On the intro cutscene:

It is very well produced and I enjoy it thoroughly. However, on second and further gameplays there should be an option to skip it. I understand making it unskippable for playthrough/character 1. After that, it should be player choice.



Ie. - If you have watched the cutscene once, after that the option to skip it should be present. Sometimes people want to get right into gameplay.



You really didn't make any other points except pointless ****ing and whining and to addresss whining is kind of an exercise in futility. You think your statements are justified. I think you sound like an idiot. We will never see eye to eye and I don't care one way or the other.



Mass Effect 2 is a triumph in multiple ways. It is a great game. Further, it is a great sequel doing things that every other video game sequel should be very jealous of. Having recently (RE) played through ME1 twice right before ME2 release the amount of excellent stroy integration from ME1 was amazing and very pleasing. The refining of the gameplay systems was also a very welcome change.



Calling it dumbing down, streamlining, whatever ... I don't care ... but the way the gameplay systems were refined for ME2 made my enjoyment of the game that much more pronounced. I have been playing games since they were text based. I have played all of Bioware's titles ... I vastly enjoyed ME1 and ME2 feels like an improvement in every way.

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spernus wrote...
Your post was worthless,since you perceive Bioware as being more or less talentless.If they are second rate,no point in saying anything else since they shouldn't have the necesary talent to improve.

You are trolling,no more and no less.


- Are you thick-skulled or something?

You are the one trolling as you provided no refutation of the post other than your twisted misconceptions.

What you've done here is taken my post entirely out-of-context, and then tried to defeat the out-of-context argument. Bravo, Spernus. You've managed to commit a logical fallacy known as a Straw Man argument. In other words, your post is empty as are your "troll" labels. Nice try, though.

Modifié par Silent Friend, 04 février 2010 - 09:31 .


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Silent Friend wrote...

spernus wrote...
Your post was worthless,since you perceive Bioware as being more or less talentless.If they are second rate,no point in saying anything else since they shouldn't have the necesary talent to improve.

You are trolling,no more and no less.


- Are you thick-skulled or something?

You are the one trolling as you provided no refutation of the post other than your twisted misconceptions.

What you've done here is taken my post entirely out-of-context, and then tried to defeat the out-of-context argument. Bravo, Spernus. You've managed to commit a logical fallacy known as a Straw Man argument. In other words, your post is empty as are your "troll" labels. Nice try, though.


Please refer to what I posted.

Everyone, no need to get all confrontational with one another. A forum is a place for words, not barbs. :P

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Personally, if someone has an issue with the game. I'd encourage them to write up an account of them without the screaming. Not only the issue, but also their proposed solution.



However, to bury them in a thread made for praise makes little to no sense what so ever except to incite those who are enjoying the game.



As far as Spernus and Silent going back and forth, why not take it to PMs instead of clogging up a praise thread?