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[slinky317]

So I'm replaying through ME1 to continue my character on to ME2, and something just hit me.  Why does Saren need to find the Conduit?  I mean, he's a Spectre already, and it's obvious that the Council trusts him completely before the events on Eden Prime.  Couldn't Saren just walk up to the Council chambers and activate the Citadel's Mass Relay to welcome the Reaper fleet?  Why does he have to find the Conduit, which only just is just a link to the Citadel anyway?

I might be missing something here, but it seems awfully circuitious to what he was trying to accomplish.

[Dethateer]

Well, he only handed control of the Citadel to Sovereign, he didn't fire it up himself, so I'd say that he didn't know how, therefore he had to somehow bring Sovereign there.

[Kasumimi]

I think Saren and Sovereign didn't know why the citadel relay didn't work and they tried to understand what the connection was to the Protheans. Discovering the Conduit and it's function is on the same basket with learning about the last of the Prothean survivors messing up the keepers.

...or at least I think 

Modifié par Kasumimi, 04 février 2010 - 06:13 .

[slinky317]

But he didn't bring Sovereign there, Sovereign brought himself. The goal of Saren being in the Citadel was to activate the station's Mass Relay so the rest of the Reapers could enter our galaxy. He didn't need the Conduit for this - he could have just walked up and used the console at any time to activate the relay, like he was doing when Shepard approaches him in the final mission. He wouldn't have even needed to go to Eden Prime.

I think the reapers didn't know why the citadel relay didn't work and
they tried to understand what the connection was to the protheans.
Which eventually leads to the final events to ME1.

Maybe, but this is from the Mass Effect wiki's storyline:

Sovereign has been planning this for centuries, after discovering the Protheans used the keepers to try to break the cycle

So it appears Sovereign DID know about it. 

Modifié par slinky317, 04 février 2010 - 06:13 .

[Maynia]

Don't think Saren ever mentions actually opening the Citadel relay himself - his entire goal in the final battle is to keep the station arms open long enough for Sovereign to get inside and transfer control of the station to the Reaper. Can't recall who says it, maybe Vigil, but no-one on the Citadel actually knows what it is or how it works - that's why the Reapers put the Keepers there, so no-one looked too closely. Once the Protheans sabotaged the Keepers, Sovereign was the only one who could activate the relay by directly interfacing with the station.
Remember it's only by chance that Saren is conclusively exposed as a traitor - if Tali hadn't been there or got killed by Fist's thugs, he would have been able to just walk up to the controls, and that may have been the original plan. Once he was exposed, though, maybe even Sovereign had doubts about facing the entire Citadel fleet and a Citadel with the ability to close before he got there, therefore he sent Saren after the back door.

Modifié par Maynia, 04 février 2010 - 06:22 .

[ME2Shephard]

The Conduit was a back door into the Citadel. Saren if I recall correctly was not a Spectre once you found evidence on him. He gets his Spectre status revoked. Secondly Sovereign was needed to unlock the Citadels main computer to let the reapers out of Dark Space. This is true on all fronts that it does take time to mobilize an offensive strike. Sovereign alone couldn't have made it through the Citadel Defenses and thus they needed the Geth and Tank-Grown Krogan to help. Saren needed the Conduit to be able to get himself and the Geth Forces into the Citadel without the risk of being destroyed by the Citadel Fleet.

[rayvioletta]

Saren alone could never capture the station. the Conduit allowed him to get a Geth army onto the Citadel bypassing all of the stations defenses

if he'd just shown up with an army they'd have closed the Citadel's arms and gave him the finger. if he'd tried to capture the station all by himself he'd have been ripped apart by C-Sec officers, Asari Commandos and space hamsters

[slinky317]

But why even go to Eden Prime in the first place? What were the point of the beacons for Saren if they only led to the Conduit?

[ME2Shephard]

The Prothean Beacon unearthed on Eden Prime was part of the key to unlocking the Conduits location. That is the whole point. He needed the Conduit for the Geth army and himself to get past the Citadel station defenses. Like someone just said, the Citadel controllers would have just closed the arms and then there would have been no way to get inside. Not even Sovereign could have made it through because the same technology was used to create him that created the Citadel.

Modifié par ME2Shephard, 04 février 2010 - 06:30 .

[slinky317]

So it looks like I misunderstood Saren's role. Instead of opening the Relay, his job was apparently to keep the arms open. I guess it makes sense then that he would need a massive Geth army to protect him while Sovereign approached the station.

[Dethateer]

Because Saren couldn't open the Mass Relay by himself, as I and two others already said. He also had to... "prove his value" to the Reapers.

slinky317
But he didn't bring Sovereign there, Sovereign brought himself."

I said that in the sense that Sovereign couldn't simply barge in to take the Citadel by himself, he needed someone to prevent the arms from closing and to keep the Citadel fleets off of his ass.

Modifié par Dethateer, 04 février 2010 - 06:29 .

[Default137]

Because neither he nor Sovereign knew what the Conduit actually was.



All they knew was that it could be used against them, obviously, when you plan mass genocide, you try to stomp out the little things first, for all they knew, it could have been a weapon that could have stopped Sovereign, or could have saved a large amount of the Galaxies citizenry, or something of that nature, and they needed to make sure THEY had it first.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

And this brings a question of my own to the table, in ME2, why the hell are there STILL keepers in the Citadel? Since we know these things aid the Reapers...

[DPSSOC]

slinky317 wrote...

I think the reapers didn't know why the citadel relay didn't work and
they tried to understand what the connection was to the protheans.
Which eventually leads to the final events to ME1.

Maybe, but this is from the Mass Effect wiki's storyline:

Sovereign has been planning this for centuries, after discovering the Protheans used the keepers to try to break the cycle

So it appears Sovereign DID know about it. 

He knew that he could no longer make the Keepers open the relay but he didn't know how that had been accomplished.  All he knew was that the Conduit had something to do with it and all he learned through the beacons was the location of the Conduit not it's function.  So Sovereign needed Saren to find the Conduit to determine it's function and shut it down if necessary before moving forward with assaulting the Citadel and manually opening the relay.

[Moleculor]

Also don't forget that Sovereign did try to do the whole 'frontal assault' with a massive army thing once before: The Rachni. That didn't work. So he had to try a more subtle, backdoor approach.

[Default137]

Paxcorpus wrote...

And this brings a question of my own to the table, in ME2, why the hell are there STILL keepers in the Citadel? Since we know these things aid the Reapers...

Two reasons.

Shepard/Anderson wouldn't care, because they know they've been deactivated, they can't help the Reapers anymore, since the Conduit has basically removed that section of programming, all they can really do now is keep working on the Citadel, which is a good thing since they just had a giant alien explode over residental districts.

For the Council/other races, they don't believe the Reapers exist, and that Sovereign was a Geth Ship, thus, why disable the thing that has been rebuilding the Citadel, and building it up even for the longest amount of time, just because some madman was saying they might possibly be linked to some alien race that may or may not exist?