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[Championette]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME1 and I enjoyed her return. I thought the scenes on Illium were full of pathos. I understand that players who role played their Sheps as madly in love with her in ME1 would be disappointed about the lack of dialogue options specific to the romance, but for me - my Shepard liked her, it was a budding romance... and in ME2 things had shifted. In a big way.

Something terrible has obviously happened to her. Her feelings on being caught threatening to flay her contact were really well played and were enough of a cue about the awful and unrevealed two years she has endured. (My) Shepard tried to get her to open up, but failed. With the short, business-like nature of our new relationship, there was a real sadness (for me) in those scenes that helped drive home his isolation following the two year absence.

It was actually one of my favourite bits of the game (along with the Kaiden cameo). I'm sure her story isn't over.

I completely agree. It's obvious she's been through something traumatic. A very hard two years indeed.

[SentryTerminus]

Dear Bioware,

What made me love the original Mass Effect was the deep and well-designed characters. That said the romance with Liara was one of the most rewarding storytelling experiences I've ever experienced. In Mass Effect 2 I could not wait to pick it up where it left off, especially after the heartwrenching introduction scene where the Normandy is shot down and you are ripped from her side in a moment of pure tragedy beginning an agonizing quest to put the shattered peices of the protagonist's life back together, reuniting old friends and making new ones along the way, all the while wondering "where is Liara, that night on the Normandy before the final battle meant something . . . dammit it meant something!" Then finally after finding Liara I am rewarded with . . . two stupid scavenger hunt/hacking missions . . . Really BioWare? Really? You're going to hang all of those dramatic guns on the wall (ME1 relationship, Intro Scene, Portrait on Desk, comic book tie-in) and this is all the payoff you have for us? Are you kidding me BioWare? The entire reason I rushed out to find a Limited Edition copy of this game, was because the first story was so engrossing, so personal, that I had to continue it! As Tycho from Penny Arcade said of ME2 "I defy anyone to experience the game's introduction, though - especially with a legacy character - and not whirl inwardly, prepared to haul the narrative on your back if necessary, coursing with a terrible momentum." That completely sums it up for me right up until I slammed into this sterile icey wall that was for some reason passing itself off as my lovely Liara. Without warning the narrative chain to the first game was completely severed, my suspension of disbeleif along with it, and the runaway locomotive-like momentum of this game fell silent in one sad and indifferent “meh”. There is no break-up, there is no reunion, no drama, no pathos, no fire, no "where were you!?" instead there is simply a couple of half-assed side quests that play like first few tasks of a World of Warcraft character. I’m surprised they even decided to voice the dialogue . . .

I am done with this game until DLC fixes this ridiculous error.

Modifié par SentryTerminus, 05 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[AndroLeonidas]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I haven't read the comic except for that little tid bit that came with the collector's edition... but he did agree to help her find Shep's body didn't he? At least that is the way I read it. And he only said it wasn't a good idea because of what she would see i think. Not becuase he was trying to prevent her from finding it.

Feron works for the SB. In issue 2 he says it was his task to "lead Liara away", but Cerberus interfered.

Ah... didn't know that. Thanks.

That being said... how many times have we seen this play out in movies and books? guy starts out hired to kill or distract said female and falls for her and she for him?

That is what concerns me the most really. That a DLC or ME3 will see Liara's affections shifted to this Feron person because of what happen between them.

[spurge11]

I Don't really care about Liara if I could kill her I would



Ashley forever

[AndroLeonidas]

Something terrible has obviously happened to her. Her feelings on being caught threatening to flay her contact were really well played and were enough of a cue about the awful and unrevealed two years she has endured. (My) Shepard tried to get her to open up, but failed. With the short, business-like nature of our new relationship, there was a real sadness (for me) in those scenes that helped drive home his isolation following the two year absence.

I would tend to agree with this except for what she went through to get his body back from the shadow broker because she couldn't let him go. That to me indicates a deep love where you are willing to do anything. She knew what Cerberus planned... she had to know that he was alive... yet she acts as she does when he comes to see her.



No... something else entirely is going on. Whether it be that she has fallen for this Feron dude and does not want to "lose" him as she lost Shep... or I'll go so far as to say she is protecting something. Perhaps a child that may have come about from her realtionship with Shepard. She is protecting their child and didn;t tell him anything because she knows what he is going to do? Her ruthlessness that we see strikes me as something a parent would be like when faced with a threat to their child.



Thoughts?

[Xandurpein]

Just a thought to those who thinks that the lines you get from Liara somehow means less, because you get them regardless of whether you romance her or not. Did it occur to you that Liara might be in love with Shepard even if you didn't romance her?



What happens in ME1 is that Liara, through the joining, gets to feel Shepard's mind and is attracted to him. You don't woe her or anything. You just go to medbay and check if she is fine and she will right away ask you if the attraction is mutual. If you tell her you're not attracted to her, doesn't necessarily undo the attraction she feels for you.



It's like when you recruit Tali in ME2. Tali has a huge crush on Shepard regardless of whether you romance her or not. Kelly will tell it to you straight away. If you do romance Tali, she will tell you she has had a crush on Shepard already in ME1, but she never did anything about it. Liara's and Tali's romance is similar in that respect I think. It's not about making them fall for Shepard. They fall for Shepard whatever you do. The romance is about making them overcome their shyness/awkwardness to be able to express their feelings.



So I think that Liara's lines in ME2 pretty much says that Liara loves Shepard, regardless of whether your Shepard loves her or not.

[spurge11]

RAMBO 46 wrote...

i wish i could have left tali and liara at the nuke on virmire and have kept kaiden and my super hot babe ashley who im going to impregnate a dozen times over in mass effect 3

This^  took the words right out of my mouth

[Zoe Dedweth]

Also there's the comics to consider - taking them into account as well as what Liara has done in the mean time is really not bad. I would consider it selfish myself if I expected someone to put their life on hold when I died. She' dealt with your death, which mostly meant dealing with the feelings she had for you. She also learned to love another - here you come barging back into her life after 2 years and you just want to pick up and carry on ? very very selfish.

[AndroLeonidas]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

Also there's the comics to consider - taking them into account as well as what Liara has done in the mean time is really not bad. I would consider it selfish myself if I expected someone to put their life on hold when I died. She' dealt with your death, which mostly meant dealing with the feelings she had for you. She also learned to love another - here you come barging back into her life after 2 years and you just want to pick up and carry on ? very very selfish.

That would be true had she not known what Cerberus wanted Shepard's body for. But she had to have known they were going to bring him back to life. Heck... she just about says as much when you talk to her.

Modifié par AndroLeonidas, 05 février 2010 - 09:37 .

[Zentrasi]

I was also one who stayed true to Liara.. so I didn't ''get any'' in ME2. Oh well..



At least it seems it's not over and she has more left to do in ME3.. hopefully.

[Zoe Dedweth]

@ Androleonidas - So she should just put herself in stasis for you till your back on your feet ? ummm - almost never happens in real life and when it does it causes resentment and hate in most cases.

[Faerlyte]

spurge11 wrote...

RAMBO 46 wrote...

i wish i could have left tali and liara at the nuke on virmire and have kept kaiden and my super hot babe ashley who im going to impregnate a dozen times over in mass effect 3

This^  took the words right out of my mouth

Nothing like a generic and somewhat self-important snob, and a hypocritical bigot - also another five letter word coincidentally beginning with b, but I won't go there.  I'll take Liara and Tali over that any day. 

As to the Devs dropping the ball. I expect they know exactly what they're doing and that everything will come together in ME3. 

[Vayrand]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

@ Androleonidas - So she should just put herself in stasis for you till your back on your feet ? ummm - almost never happens in real life and when it does it causes resentment and hate in most cases.

Well this is after all a sci-fi fantasy game. Anything can happen, although one thing I won't like to happen is Feron and Liara having something romantic going on. That would probably turn a lot of people's world upside down and definitely a lot of negativity towards BioWare, they want to please us fans, then they ought to avoid putting that in.

Modifié par Vayrand, 05 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[AndroLeonidas]

Zoe Dedweth wrote...

@ Androleonidas - So she should just put herself in stasis for you till your back on your feet ? ummm - almost never happens in real life and when it does it causes resentment and hate in most cases.

In one context of her words to you... that is exactly what she did. "I couldn't let you go?" What does that infer to you Zoe? That infers committment beyond the norm.

Now... why would she feel this obligation to Shepard if she did not love him? It obvioulsy took her some time to achieve getting his body back to Cerberus... weeks... months maybe. Miranda says it took her two years to rebuild him, so I'm assuming that does not include the time Liara needed to find and appropiate his body and get it back to Cerberus.

And based on how she explained relationships to Shep in ME1 and the depth of the emotion she did it with... I sincerely doubt she would have "moved on" so to speak without some sort of outside stimulus. Namely this Feron fellow. The old "rebound" addage if you will. That would explain her interaction with Shepard when you see her on Illium.

My other theory is stated above.

Asari live for a thousand years and I don't see them just "moving on" after only two. Not if the woman Shilia is dealinig with is any indication. She seems to be very much in love with her bond mate still, and she was killed in the attack on the Quarian homeworld by the Geth some three hundred years before.

[LexXxich]

If hoping for continuation and acknowledgement of romance with Liara after two years of half-death is selfish, than at least I'd like to be called on it. I want someone in-game to say it to me face to face

Leaving it hanging like BW did in ME2, with a subtle hints that Shepard might not be Liara's most important person any more, is highly disappointing.

[zakahir]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I romanced Liara in ME1 and I enjoyed her return. I thought the scenes on Illium were full of pathos. I understand that players who role played their Sheps as madly in love with her in ME1 would be disappointed about the lack of dialogue options specific to the romance, but for me - my Shepard liked her, it was a budding romance... and in ME2 things had shifted. In a big way.

Something terrible has obviously happened to her. Her feelings on being caught threatening to flay her contact were really well played and were enough of a cue about the awful and unrevealed two years she has endured. (My) Shepard tried to get her to open up, but failed. With the short, business-like nature of our new relationship, there was a real sadness (for me) in those scenes that helped drive home his isolation following the two year absence.

It was actually one of my favourite bits of the game (along with the Kaiden cameo). I'm sure her story isn't over.

initially i agreed with you(read after i did my first play through so...after the 27th) because i rationalized it...with something that happened in my personal life, going into my senior year of highschool i had been seeing a girl for 3 years, during the early part of the year i proposed to her, a few months later she ended up dying from certain things(non medical) .  well at the time i wanted to kill that son of a **** that killed her, and would have done anything to get back at them.  and that's how i felt with liara on my initial feelings but then i sat and thought bout it.  and what i came up with was, that i would have been willing to let the sob live if she had come back.   or at least live a day longer while she and i....had intimate moments(probley me sitting there holding her and crying cuz hey that's me).

That's why for me this just didn't cut it.  i mean seriously at least let me tell her i love her and ask to spend a night with her or something.  it was...so.. poorly executed.

Modifié par zakahir, 05 février 2010 - 01:14 .

[Nozybidaj]

LexXxich wrote...

If hoping for continuation and acknowledgement of romance with Liara after two years of half-death is selfish, than at least I'd like to be called on it. I want someone in-game to say it to me face to face
Leaving it hanging like BW did in ME2, with a subtle hints that Shepard might not be Liara's most important person any more, is highly disappointing.

I'm not sure how subtle the hint was.  I think BW was making it clearly obvious.

[zakahir]

AndroLeonidas wrote...
Asari live for a thousand years and I don't see them just "moving on" after only two. Not if the woman Shilia is dealinig with is any indication. She seems to be very much in love with her bond mate still, and she was killed in the attack on the Quarian homeworld by the Geth some three hundred years before.

sorry to double post but...

i think it's on illium there's an asari who says "the great thing about dating a human is be around them for a hundred years and then take 5 decades to get over their loss and you can move on."  or something to that effect.  and if liara has any sex in the comic book i'm putting it as the rebound or depression sex.  just anything to make you feel better while you feel miserable.

[Daeion]

SE JN wrote...

I don't see any reason to think that Liara and Feron are an item--- I think she said friend in an odd way because he is dubious at best in the comic.

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typically in movies, books, and games, they don't have someone become obssessed over a friend, it has to be someone who they had a deeper connection with.

[Daeion]

The BS Police wrote...

SE JN wrote...

I don't see any reason to think that Liara and Feron are an item--- I think she said friend in an odd way because he is dubious at best in the comic.

Well from what I gathered her friend was Feron he was supposed to actually trying to prevent her from finding Shepard's body. So I think thats proof enough that were never an item.

Damnit man, I'm still waiting for my copy, SPOILER!!!!

[Daeion]

kennyme2 wrote...

I agree completely. I'd also like to add that if you bring Tali and Garrus with you to see Liara, they say NOTHING. Not even back on the ship, you'd think that they would have something to say about her new personality. SUPER DISAPPOINTING. Please, Bioware, have squad talk in ME3 like in DA:O.

I know right?  I brought them along specifically to see if they would say anything and the only time they ever said anything was when Tali ended up threatening Garrus in the end.  The party talk while running around was honestly one of the best parts of the game.  I know elevators are boring but at least we got squad interaction during them.

[Daeion]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Interesting thread. Yeah i want to be on board with the whole BioWare dropped theball with Liara stuff, but I will hold out until we see or don't see Liara related DLC. If we do, then we will be wrong, mark my words, if we don't see the DLC, I will publicly endorse this thread.

If the DLC is something substantial then there will be complaining about needing to buy extra content to get closure to our relationship that should have been part of the game proper without exception.

Agreed, unless it comes down the pipe via Cerberus network but I doubt we'd see anything substantial if it did.

[Zegla]

I was actually kinda surprised by Liara's role (in a good way, sort of), but only because I expected her cameo to be even smaller than it was.

And the scene was pretty powerful (thanks to that elusive dialog choice).



But on the other hand, the game would have been alot better if she had a larger role .