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[Nimander]

I will be most upset if Liara and Feron were an item. For two reasons. Yes, after two years dead, one could move on. However. First, Liara was looking for his body to turn over to Cerberus so she knew he would be coming back. And second, her interaction with Feron is only a month after Shephard's death. If she's getting involved with someone and falling in love with them a month after he died? That's a major slap to the character.



I'll cling to the hope that the reason she's so dubious with 'friend' is because she now knows he was working for the SB and it's another betrayal. If the comics makes them an item, I'll ... well, be upset.

[Adon 9]

I am desperately hoping that it's not BioWare jerking our chains again. I remember how gleeful they seemed to be in predicting that most players would cheat on their LIs from ME1. I do have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that they might yank our chains even further if they have Liara have a fling with Feron.



Face it... they WANTED us to be pissed off and hurt after meeting Ash/Kaiden and Liara. That's the only way that they could be so confident that people would move on to someone else... not by making the new LIs so much more appealing, but doing something to make the old ones LESS so.



That said, if anything happened between Liara and Feron, I suspect it would be more of a one night fling than a true relationship. That would help explain why she's so awkward with Shepard... an additional layer of guilt. Considering that they do say that loyalty will be rewarded in ME3, I doubt that she would have truly moved on to another guy on a permanent basis. But when she's hurting and vulnerable? I can see her doing something she soon comes to regret.



That said, I *really* hope that it's not the case. That would just be BioWare kicking us when we're already down.

[Mox Ruuga]

It would be yet another slap in the face, but hey, nothing new there...

We are not one of the character fandoms constantly being serviced, and I really don't see that's going to change.

[Mox Ruuga]

General Stubbs wrote...

This is my math if Liara had a fling with Feron.
Liara + Fling with Feron = Bullet in Feron's Head.
Even if one of Bioware's excuses is true for Liara not being able to talk to Shepard the way she wants to, why can't Shepard push her with extra dialogue if she was the LI from ME1?
Why doesn't Shepard actually say I love you even if she won't?

That's the aggravating part. Your ME1 romance isn't really acknowledged. You can't use it as an excuse to turn the amorous squaddies down gently, Joker doesn't... well, joke about it, no one really mentions it. Kaidan and Ash at least have it acknowledged, even tho their fans were screwed over by the writers too, by a really s#!tty and short appearance.

Like the OP of this thread states, aside from the picture and that single lukewarm kiss, you could be forgiven for thinking Shepard and Liara never really had something between them.

[Nayt Navare]

[quote]AndroLeonidas wrote...



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If Shepard returned and she truly loved him as we are led to believe from conversations with her in ME1, I find it hard to believe she would not ask for help from him in getting her friend back. If all he was was a friend. No... there is something much more going on with her reactions and indifference to seeing Shepard again.

It would be just like Bioware to not bring closure to this.

On the other hand... I was faithful to her on my first run through and I romanced Miranda on the second. If you don;t get back with Liara... then you should at least be able to continue a serious relationship with Miranda, especially considering what you see after you complete the game and call her up to your quarters.[/quote]

What do you mean. "call her up to your quarters after you beat the game"?  Di d I miss something?

[Talon_Wu]

Just wanted to give my thoughts on The Awkward Kiss.

It all starts when you walk in on her doing a bad impersonation of Benezia. She realizes Shep is standing behind her, whole and alive, and her first impulse is to kiss the daylights out of Shep. My impression was that she pulled away and shook her head because she was thinking "I shouldn't have done that", not because she has someone else, but because she thinks you won't like her very much if she tells you what she did to get you back. After all, she gave your body to your enemy, and admits that she thought you'd hate her.

That said, it's all hopeful supposition on my part. It's better than thinking the writers threw her into the arms of some pouty-lipped Drell.

[Unit-Alpha]

General Stubbs wrote...

This is my math if Liara had a fling with Feron.
Liara + Fling with Feron = Bullet in Feron's Head.
Even if one of Bioware's excuses is true for Liara not being able to talk to Shepard the way she wants to, why can't Shepard push her with extra dialogue if she was the LI from ME1?
Why doesn't Shepard actually say I love you even if she won't?

Agreed. Even if that completely fills my Renegade bar to do so.

[macrocarl]

Concering Liara and save games, I thought Biowqare really messed up with options for those of us that didn't have our saves to clue the narrative in that we were in a relationship. Seems like it could be sprinkled somewhere before heading to Illium......... Ah well.

[screwoffreg]

I'll tell you one thing. Feron is about to collect a biotic beat down!

[hwf]

This thread is by far one of the best examples on how subtle the Mass Effect experience can be.


Daeion, earlier in this thread, is right in that there's more than meets the eye.
There is a very good reason why Liara T'Soni has no need to send Shepard a lousy stinking email in order to express her feelings.
Because she can and does express her feelings in person.
And it's a hell of a lot more connected then a hug and a angry rant from either Alenko or Williams.


The "ackward kissing scene" is actually the following:

- Liara faces Shepard, making and holding eye contact.
- Grabbing and holding Shepard's hand, maintaining eye contact.
- While having eye contact, whispers some words to Shepard, soundless and without captioning (you can and should be able to lip read this).
- The kiss.
- Eye contact, shaking her head to stave something off, a response perhaps.
- Tilts her head to move away, Shepard leans in to face the side of Liara's head.
- A pause in this position, presumably (due to the camera angle the player can fill this in on their own) because Shepard whispers something back.
- A disconnect, where Liara moves off after Shepard's whisper where Shepard has a slight pause of confusion before following.

Make of that what you will - it seems pretty clear to me.
Of course you have no active way of making Shepard express one's feeling.
There is something going on; Liara feels guilty, that's for sure - and that's explained later in the game after helping her (and the background for that is explored in the Mass Effect Redemption comic book).


In this case it is aggravated by the sabotaged "Investigate" dialogue.
It's the only dialogue in ME1 and ME2 that doesn't allow you to explore all "Investigate" options.
So, if you take the gentle Investigate approach instead of just demanding what is going on, you'll likely miss the chance to hear Liara's motivations when it comes to the Shadow Broker.

In my opinion, this needs to be done more often.
I missed that Investigate choice too the first time I played the game and it actually made a better experience (more gut wrenching).


As for the rest of Dr. T'Soni's dialogue - there's a reason why she does what she does.
Why Shepard isn't dead and you get to play ME2, that is.

Because no matter how you played Mass Effect 1, even if Shepard brushes her off completely, Shepard will always be T'Soni's "first".

If you swap Samara for Morinth and "do the dirty" with Morinth you'll see that "Asari intercourse" is popping the black eyes, "Embrace Eternity" and establish a neural link.
This is exactly what Liara has to do with Shepard in ME1, at least once and perhaps more, in order to interpret the beacon image (and save the galaxy as a result, obviously).
And boy is T'Soni overwhelmed by what's in Shepard's mind - she nearly faints every single attempt to make sense of that Prothean mess inside Shepard's skull.

And Liara's not the only Asari that feels that way because Shiala, the Asari that Shepard gets to rescue from the Thorian in ME1, has to do the same in order to give the Prothean cypher to Shepard.
Shiala also falls for Shepard since she hits on Shepard after her and Feros' problems got fixed on Illium.


T'Soni has problems though. That is for sure. And if you handle her tasks on Illium incorrectly, it likely spells doom for Liara in ME3.
I hope we can have Shepard "lose it" and "go off the deep end" if Liara as the Love Interest of Shepard croaks in ME3.
Actually that should be a possibility for all potential LI's, in my opinion.
That would make for some nice drama in the trilogy's conclusion.

[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...
I realize she went through some tough times, but why is she still cold to Shepard even after Shepard tells her that she was wrong about being hated for what she did.

Because it is just a contrived way for BW to keep her off the squad.  Honestly there isn't a good reason she wouldn't help you/want your help.  BW just wanted to sideline her and that was that.  I'm not sure it is even supposed to make sense or was intended to explain anything.  It simply is what it is.

[Daeion]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

I would tend to agree with this except for what she went through to get his body back from the shadow broker because she couldn't let him go. That to me indicates a deep love where you are willing to do anything. She knew what Cerberus planned... she had to know that he was alive... yet she acts as she does when he comes to see her.

No... something else entirely is going on. Whether it be that she has fallen for this Feron dude and does not want to "lose" him as she lost Shep... or I'll go so far as to say she is protecting something. Perhaps a child that may have come about from her realtionship with Shepard. She is protecting their child and didn;t tell him anything because she knows what he is going to do? Her ruthlessness that we see strikes me as something a parent would be like when faced with a threat to their child.

Thoughts?

I've thought about the child thing before but I'm not sure how well it would fit because Liara doesn't strike me as the type of person who would be doing a dangerous job if she had a child, then again she didn't strike me as the type of person to go after the SB.

[Schurge]

Daeion wrote...

oh, and she looks away as if thinking about someone else, damn "friend"

My interpretation was that she wasn't ready to just continue where they left off, and that she was a little mad at Sheperd for not coming to see her right away. I hadn't known about the Drell 'till yesterday... so yah... I am suspicious.

EDIT:

@ hwf

Excellent points/insight.

Modifié par Schurge, 05 février 2010 - 05:00 .

[jlb524]

hwf wrote...

The "ackward kissing scene" is actually the following:

- Liara faces Shepard, making and holding eye contact.
- Grabbing and holding Shepard's hand, maintaining eye contact.
- While having eye contact, whispers some words to Shepard, soundless and without captioning (you can and should be able to lip read this).
- The kiss.
- Eye contact, shaking her head to stave something off, a response perhaps.
- Tilts her head to move away, Shepard leans in to face the side of Liara's head.
- A pause in this position, presumably (due to the camera angle the player can fill this in on their own) because Shepard whispers something back.
- A disconnect, where Liara moves off after Shepard's whisper where Shepard has a slight pause of confusion before following.

I missed the whispering.  I need to go back and watch that scene a little closer.  Thanks for the heads up!

[Unit-Alpha]

Schurge wrote...

Daeion wrote...

oh, and she looks away as if thinking about someone else, damn "friend"

My interpretation was that she wasn't ready to just continue where they left off, and that she was a little mad at Sheperd for not coming to see her right away. I hadn't known about the Drell 'till yesterday... so yah... I am suspicious.

I doubt she was mad at Shepard. He couldn't come to see her for all that time as he was DEAD. She was definitely more mad at herself by far for turning you over to Cerberus.

[DigitalMaster37]

General Stubbs wrote...

This is my math if Liara had a fling with Feron.
Liara + Fling with Feron = Bullet in Feron's Head.
Even if one of Bioware's excuses is true for Liara not being able to talk to Shepard the way she wants to, why can't Shepard push her with extra dialogue if she was the LI from ME1?
Why doesn't Shepard actually say I love you even if she won't?

because he may actually get her into to more trouble. I think this is why Sheperd doesn't say anything.

I think patience is our ally in this situation. It will all be more clear after a while.

[crimzontearz]

-shrugs- if they wanted to "save" her for ME3 they probably failed in their intent indirectly..most people now hate her

[DigitalMaster37]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Schurge wrote...

Daeion wrote...

oh, and she looks away as if thinking about someone else, damn "friend"

My interpretation was that she wasn't ready to just continue where they left off, and that she was a little mad at Sheperd for not coming to see her right away. I hadn't known about the Drell 'till yesterday... so yah... I am suspicious.

I doubt she was mad at Shepard. He couldn't come to see her for all that time as he was DEAD. She was definitely more mad at herself by far for turning you over to Cerberus.

She wasn't mad at Sheperd, I percieved that she was ashamed or feeling overwhelming guilt.

[Schurge]

crimzontearz wrote...

-shrugs- if they wanted to "save" her for ME3 they probably failed in their intent indirectly..most people now hate her

They don't matter.

[DigitalMaster37]

crimzontearz wrote...

-shrugs- if they wanted to "save" her for ME3 they probably failed in their intent indirectly..most people now hate her

You are actually quite wrong. You are basing your analysis from the forum. Our group alone has tons of Liara supporters, so try again buddy. Just because Tali and "dem hips" struck a chord with a pre-school real hard, doesn't mean she has all of the fans. People who left her, didn't deserve her anyway.

[screwoffreg]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

-shrugs- if they wanted to "save" her for ME3 they probably failed in their intent indirectly..most people now hate her

You are actually quite wrong. You are basing your analysis from the forum. Our group alone has tons of Liara supporters, so try again buddy. Just because Tali and "dem hips" struck a chord with a pre-school real hard, doesn't mean she has all of the fans. People who left her, didn't deserve her anyway.

Considering most people have multiple characters anyway there is plenty of love to go around.  If you play a Fem-Shep you have all the more incentive to stay loyal anyway unless you really want to push the boundaries of friendship with Garrus...

[Unit-Alpha]

crimzontearz wrote...

-shrugs- if they wanted to "save" her for ME3 they probably failed in their intent indirectly..most people now hate her

No, most people don't. It's just the "I LUVS TALI!!!1!11!!" thing is overwhelming. Most people who see that one dialog section recant their hatred if they even had any.