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[Daeion]

The BS Police wrote...

Daeion wrote...

zakahir wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...
Asari live for a thousand years and I don't see them just "moving on" after only two. Not if the woman Shilia is dealinig with is any indication. She seems to be very much in love with her bond mate still, and she was killed in the attack on the Quarian homeworld by the Geth some three hundred years before.

sorry to double post but...

i think it's on illium there's an asari who says "the great thing about dating a human is be around them for a hundred years and then take 5 decades to get over their loss and you can move on."  or something to that effect.  and if liara has any sex in the comic book i'm putting it as the rebound or depression sex.  just anything to make you feel better while you feel miserable.

It's the asari that's dating the krogan, she says that krogans have really long lives so it's not like marrying a human where you just stick it out for a hundred years.

I doubt Liara was just romancing Shepard just for the mere experience of being with a human. When you go to the lengths that she did in order to recover his body and bring him back to life then you know there is more to her feelings for Shepard than a mere fling or friendship.

Oh, I'm not saying that's why Liara did it.  I was just clarifying the asari's comments about dating a human.

[ERJAK2]

Daeion wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Daeion wrote...

My renegade shep was an ass to her, basically called her worthless and told her to shut up.  If she still loves him after that...there's something wrong with BioWare.

Something wrong with Liara, more like it.

Either way, in the comic, Liara is searching for Shepard and refers to him as a friend on numerous occasions.

I say somethign wrong with BW because they write Liara.

The comic has to be gender neutral with shepard and romance neutral with Liara. She can't just go around saying, "he and I slept together before Ilos" because shepard might not be a he, and might not of romanced her.

[Mox Ruuga]

glacier1701 wrote...

Even with ME3 the only 'promise' we have is that the ME1 LIs had to survive was to close POTENTIAL storylines in ME3. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will be in ME3 at this point. Considering the badly plotted scenes we got I am not holding out much hope for anything. We got more reaction from very minor characters in ME2 who did not even know Shepard compared to what we got from our LI's who supposedly knew them very well.

LOL! Very true, emails from people like Emily Wong and Dr. Michel seemed happier that Shepard was alive than Liara. So did the Salarian electronics merchant who had never even seen Shepard before...

I exaggerate to make my point, but only very little.

If this was the outcome of one of the three most important choices in ME1...

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

Even with ME3 the only 'promise' we have is that the ME1 LIs had to survive was to close POTENTIAL storylines in ME3. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will be in ME3 at this point. Considering the badly plotted scenes we got I am not holding out much hope for anything. We got more reaction from very minor characters in ME2 who did not even know Shepard compared to what we got from our LI's who supposedly knew them very well.

LOL! Very true, emails from people like Emily Wong and Dr. Michel seemed happier that Shepard was alive than Liara. So did the Salarian electronics merchant who had never even seen Shepard before...

I exaggerate to make my point, but only very little.

If this was the outcome of one of the three most important choices in ME1...

I don't think you are exaggerating at all I felt the same way.  The fact that whether or not I was nice to Conrad Verner was as/more important than whether or not I romanced Liara was rather insulting.

[Daeion]

Prioris wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Well in all honesty with Shepard's cybernetic rebuild couldn't he in theory live a longer life than the average human now?

I wondered about that too.  Shep has a heck of a lot of replacement parts post-Lazarus (nano-repaired heart, armored spinal cord, neural implants, probably at least one prosthetic arm, etc).  He/she could be living a very long time. 

That also brings up an interesting point, namely Shepard possibly settling down and starting a family with his/her love interest in the end of ME3.  It would be rather hard to do with Liara under normal circumstances, since you'd be dead long before she got out of the Maiden stage.  However, if the implants kept Shep alive for a longer period it'd be a much better possibility.  It would be quite interesting, not to mention heartwarming, if the devs gave you that option in the end.

Does an Asari need to be out of the maiden stage to start a family?  I took the stages to be more of guidlines, i.e. as a maiden your more of a child so you're out having fun, but Liara doesn't fit into the typical Asari mold since she is a pure blood and chose to focus on learning more about protheans instead of becoming a stripper or joining a merc band like the bartender says most daughters do.

[Nimander]

I don't think the Maiden/Matron/Matriarch stages are actual physical life stages, but that's me. They make it sound like it's more personality. Maiden is the wild years, where Asari do lots of things and have fun. Matron is when they settle down. And Matriarch is when they have raised a family and are highly experienced with the world.



It's certainly true that the comic has to be somewhat neutral. I just hope they don't take the easy story way and have Liara and the Drell fall in love or some such.

[Daeion]

glacier1701 wrote...

Daeion wrote...


And don't forget it has an unrestrained AI now that could probably dig through everything faster.

 Its an unshackled AI. Also note we could have Legion and he states that they (the geth) are going through ALL material that gets put on the FTL networks. With EDI and Legion working together I doubt that even encrypted material would stand in their way that long.

unrestrained, unshackled, same thing to me, Liara could really do a lot with an AI like that, and I completely forgot about LEGION and the geth monitoring FTL networks.  With those two Liara should be able to find the shadow broker in about a week.

[Delta426]

ERJAK2 wrote...

The comic has to be gender neutral with shepard and romance neutral with Liara. She can't just go around saying, "he and I slept together before Ilos" because shepard might not be a he, and might not of romanced her.

Infact the canon Shep is a male and romanced Ashley. So I wouldn't hold my breath for the comic explanation.

Nimander wrote...

It's certainly true that the comic has to be somewhat neutral. I just hope they don't take the easy story way and have Liara and the Drell fall in love or some such.

That would make for legions of pissed of Liara fans.

Modifié par Delta426, 05 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Kreid]

ERJAK2 wrote...
The comic has to be gender neutral with shepard and romance neutral with Liara. She can't just go around saying, "he and I slept together before Ilos" because shepard might not be a he, and might not of romanced her.

The Illusive Man explicitly says that Liara was close with Shepard though.
Anyways, Liara explains she was feeling guilty for leaving Shepard's body in Cerberus' hands and that she was afraid Shepard would hate for it.That's why she was acting  coldly towards him/her.
That the role of ME1's LI was very little compared to what most fans wanted (me included) is a fact, but I can perfectly see where Liara is coming from, and I find her reason for staying in Illium perfectly understandable

[Mox Ruuga]

Nozybidaj wrote...


I don't think you are exaggerating at all I felt the same way.  The fact that whether or not I was nice to Conrad Verner was as/more important than whether or not I romanced Liara was rather insulting.

Heh, there were more dramatic consequences about helping Corporal Toombs than having a relationship with Liara, and the suit who was held hostage by the biotics was another NPC more glad to see Shepard had survived than his/her asari lover.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


I don't think you are exaggerating at all I felt the same way.  The fact that whether or not I was nice to Conrad Verner was as/more important than whether or not I romanced Liara was rather insulting.

Heh, there were more dramatic consequences about helping Corporal Toombs than having a relationship with Liara, and the suit who was held hostage by the biotics was another NPC more glad to see Shepard had survived than his/her asari lover.

Hell, like you said, random shop keepers I had never met before were more excited to see me.

[Daeion]

ERJAK2 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

Daeion wrote...

My renegade shep was an ass to her, basically called her worthless and told her to shut up.  If she still loves him after that...there's something wrong with BioWare.

Something wrong with Liara, more like it.

Either way, in the comic, Liara is searching for Shepard and refers to him as a friend on numerous occasions.

I say somethign wrong with BW because they write Liara.

The comic has to be gender neutral with shepard and romance neutral with Liara. She can't just go around saying, "he and I slept together before Ilos" because shepard might not be a he, and might not of romanced her.

Technically it doesn't need to be gender nuetral because their cannon shep is not a female like my canon shep is.  As for the whole romance part, I 've always said that it should have been your ME LI that fought tootch and nail to get your body back.  The commic should have been Miranda and Jacob going after your body but not finding it because some unknown figure other then the shadow broker had already gotten it and then in ME2 they reveal that it was either your LI that got it back or someone else, perhaps Conrad Verner.

Modifié par Daeion, 05 février 2010 - 09:16 .

[Karlojey]

I share the thread starter's sentiments. It's like, the Liara in ME2 is a totally different person. She totally forgot what happened two years ago.



We I really can't blame her though. She IS an alien and probably doesn't really understand human emotions. But still she's too focused on killing the shadow broker that she totally forgets Shep.

[Sharn01]

There is no Canon Shepard, there is a Default Shepard for advertisement purposes.

[DigitalMaster37]

Bumping for Liara love...

[Illum.se]

"I'll talk to you later Liara", stooone cold, beyond psychopath tbh...

I also didnt like how you couldnt go to Illium as soon as you found she was there. Im sure if i died and got resurrected the first place id go would be to see my lover.

Agree completely. I was checking the forums to see what system she was in, so as to go there sooner. Really annoying that it was impossible to go to a well known system.

WILL PAY MONEY FOR A DLC correcting what can only be described as a dropped ball, thanks...

[jlb524]

You don't know Liara is on Illium until you get there, though.



But she knows you're alive. It's odd she didn't try to contact you.

[LexXxich]

Not only there's a "default", not "canon" Shepard, he has a default male face, is a 100% renegade, and never did any side-quests in ME1, including romance one. At least this is the version you get if you don't import a character.

[Kilshrek]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

This is my math if Liara had a fling with Feron.
Liara + Fling with Feron = Bullet in Feron's Head.
Even if one of Bioware's excuses is true for Liara not being able to talk to Shepard the way she wants to, why can't Shepard push her with extra dialogue if she was the LI from ME1?
Why doesn't Shepard actually say I love you even if she won't?

Agreed. Even if that completely fills my Renegade bar to do so.

This, and this. Only I'd use the nuke gun if it's all the same.. Or maybe out the airlock and have Joker train the shiny new guns on him.. I played Paragon ALL the way, but I'm prepared to make some exceptions.. To get the job done.. 

Modifié par Kilshrek, 05 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[The BS Police]

jlb524 wrote...
But she knows you're alive. It's odd she didn't try to contact you.

Probably because either...

A) She is the Illusive Man's source who is giving him information on The Collector's and the colonies that they are attacking.

or

Contacting Shepard would draw unwanted attention to her from the Shadow Broker.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Good thing Liara was such a crappy character anyway. I might have actually cared.



BADDA BOOM!

[Laster Opsa]

I romanced Liara in the first one and i gotta say i did enjoy that they didn't let you keep it up in the second one. It tested us as people to see if we could stay loyal, but i found when i went to see Liara, she had changed, she seemed full of angst and wasn't the Liara i remembered, she had moved on, and it made me sad, and unfortunately i also quite liked how Tali's character came across and well one thing led to another lol, it'll be fun to see how that sorts itself out in ME3, but i seriously think all you Liara fans can expect to get the romance she deserves in ME3.

[lavosslayer]

yeah after realizing how angry Liara had become and how she valued revenge over her relationship with Shepard, I came to the decision to dump her and picked up Jack. She seems like someone that would really value my efforts of loyalty...I would even wager to say, more then any other LI...not to mention that bald head is HOT!!!

[Daeion]

Creid-X wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...
The comic has to be gender neutral with shepard and romance neutral with Liara. She can't just go around saying, "he and I slept together before Ilos" because shepard might not be a he, and might not of romanced her.

The Illusive Man explicitly says that Liara was close with Shepard though.
Anyways, Liara explains she was feeling guilty for leaving Shepard's body in Cerberus' hands and that she was afraid Shepard would hate for it.That's why she was acting  coldly towards him/her.
That the role of ME1's LI was very little compared to what most fans wanted (me included) is a fact, but I can perfectly see where Liara is coming from, and I find her reason for staying in Illium perfectly understandable

Yes but once we tell her we are glad that she gave the body back where's our option to then tell her we still love her?  I think that's really the main issue and why people are so upset with the original LI's because we get no way to show that we still care or want to move forward with the relationship other then to stay loyal even though we've been rejected by our LI's.