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[Daeion]

Karlojey wrote...

I share the thread starter's sentiments. It's like, the Liara in ME2 is a totally different person. She totally forgot what happened two years ago.

We I really can't blame her though. She IS an alien and probably doesn't really understand human emotions. But still she's too focused on killing the shadow broker that she totally forgets Shep.

I don't think love is just a human emotion, I mean you can walk around and see all the different couples of various races and here some of their conversations and even convince one to move forward.

[Daeion]

Sharn01 wrote...

There is no Canon Shepard, there is a Default Shepard for advertisement purposes.

BW has a canon shep and how things would play out in the universe but they allow us to manipulate that.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...


Yes but once we tell her we are glad that she gave the body back where's our option to then tell her we still love her?  I think that's really the main issue and why people are so upset with the original LI's because we get no way to show that we still care or want to move forward with the relationship other then to stay loyal even though we've been rejected by our LI's.

We aren't even rejected, at least if we were that could be seen as a test of your faith in the relationship.  The ME1 romance is just never acknowledged at all. 

Well, prior to ME2 BW asked us to just have faith in them that it wouldn't be as bad as we anticipated.  Now that we know it has been they have some ground to make up before they can use that line again come ME3.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 05 février 2010 - 10:59 .

[Daeion]

jlb524 wrote...

You don't know Liara is on Illium until you get there, though.

But she knows you're alive. It's odd she didn't try to contact you.

I agree, she has sources, even some hired muscle damnit, she can't contact me but freaking Anderson can?

[crimzontearz]

look......I do not want to be the one to say this but does it not feel like (after being told the LIs would not be recruitable but would have a valuable part in ME2) the LI's "importanr roles" were cut out to be released as DLC later on?



because come on I know everything is subjective but calling those 2 scenes with Liara, the non ackonwledgment of a relationship save for a single kiss, and above all that horrendous altercation wqith Ash/Kaiden an "important role" is just ludicrous......

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

You don't know Liara is on Illium until you get there, though.

But she knows you're alive. It's odd she didn't try to contact you.

I agree, she has sources, even some hired muscle damnit, she can't contact me but freaking Anderson can?

I thought TIM pretty clearly tells you she is on Illium if you ask about her when you first meet him.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daeion wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

There is no Canon Shepard, there is a Default Shepard for advertisement purposes.

BW has a canon shep and how things would play out in the universe but they allow us to manipulate that.

No, there is no canon Shep. If you want to talk about BioWare's advertising icon, that's all he is.

If you insist that the establishment of a story for new players is "canon", then BioWare has two separate canons, which can not happen.

There is no canon. There are merely default options.

[Nozybidaj]

crimzontearz wrote...

look......I do not want to be the one to say this but does it not feel like (after being told the LIs would not be recruitable but would have a valuable part in ME2) the LI's "importanr roles" were cut out to be released as DLC later on?

because come on I know everything is subjective but calling those 2 scenes with Liara, the non ackonwledgment of a relationship save for a single kiss, and above all that horrendous altercation wqith Ash/Kaiden an "important role" is just ludicrous......

I'm holding onto hope that they have a BIG expansion pack planned that ties them back into the story of ME2 and makes having bought the game worthwhile, but they feel like such complete after thoughts in ME2 it is hard to keep that hope alive.  At least the altercation with Ash/Kaidan was well written even if it doesn't make any sense.  Liara's lines were just atrocious.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 05 février 2010 - 11:09 .

[crimzontearz]

I am with you Nozy.....as I said, I am glad they made Tali available

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I thought TIM pretty clearly tells you she is on Illium if you ask about her when you first meet him.

I don't think so.  TIM just says she's working for the Shadow Broker, as far as I can remember.   But I could be remembering wrong.

[lavosslayer]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I thought TIM pretty clearly tells you she is on Illium if you ask about her when you first meet him.

I don't think so.  TIM just says she's working for the Shadow Broker, as far as I can remember.   But I could be remembering wrong.

He actually says both...

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Yeah, I seem to recall him saying "She's on Illium." and then following up with SB accusations.

[Nimander]

I just re-started the game with an Infiltrator. He specifically says she's on Illium when you're talking to him and get the circle with al your old team mates.

[Sharn01]

There is no Canon, just an image used for advertisement and a default Shep for those with out an import.

The default Shep did no side quests, no romances and chose the nuetral dialog choice for every decision in ME1.

Modifié par Sharn01, 05 février 2010 - 11:42 .

[Puzzlewell]

I was very split on the experience at first, til I realized how to properly read what happened. I spent the beginning of the game worrying as all hell that BioWare truly dropped the ball and made Liara go back on the bond you form with her in ME1. I believe there's dialogue with her in 1 regarding the bonds the Asari make, where some choose to never take another mate if they bond with a race with a lesser lifespan, and that mate dies. I really took that to heart, and considering the fact that Sheppie dies right in the beginning of 2, I was so worried that they would brush off our ME1 LIs in order to give us new ones in 2. I went to Illium as soon as the option became available and I damn well wanted to know if BioWare was going to put me in a really bad mood with not honoring the bond made in 1. My heart of course melted when you get told that Liara paid all your fees and that you can basically report right to her.

Then of course I got very mixed feelings after rushing up to her office. I couldn't tell if it was a hug mixed with a confused face nuzzle between her and my Sheppie, or if it was BW shying away from showing a F/F kiss again (which hasn't been done since Jade Empire so I thought "Hey, what the hell is this?"). I thought about it and in a way Liara kind of looks around the room during that little show of "affection", so perhaps she holds off on properly kissing Sheppie for the fact that other people are present who do not know them or their past. The dialogue initially also bothered me a fair bit. It's already been said that there's no dialogue options that are geared to us who romanced Liara, and the fact that she keeps saying "friend" made my worries a bit more strong ("I'm not your friend, I'm your bondmate! :'(" ) She just seemed distant and it just made things worse that she was getting so pissy at the Shadow Broker for killing her friend. That didn't leave things feeling nice in my head.

That being said, I played her game and did the quests, I initially messed up on the second half by choosing the wrong person as the Observer, and likewise skipped the easily skippable line of dialogue that makes it all better. When that happened I was left very torn and frustrated, feeling that nothing was explained and that the relation my Sheppie had to Liara was being brushed aside. I decided to redo the Observer quest and this time found all of the pieces of information, thus getting the proper ending. I also chose the dialogue option to get to the bottom of the hatred towards the Shadow Broker, and all of a sudden it all became clear. Yes Liara is different, yes she's a bit distant and very focused on her goal, but the reason for all of this? Revenge against someone who very much wronged her and her mate. She made herself harder in order to right the wrong that was done to the person she loves and really, I can't fault her for that. My Sheppie is not taking a love interest in 2, because BioWare infact did not brush off the bond formed in 1, and that makes me incredibly happy.

TL;DR It took me til getting that dialogue option that most people miss to know that Liara still very much loves my Sheppie, and that the bond they made is still very much alive, unlike how the Shadow Broker will be... Here's hoping it all pays off in 3!

Modifié par CalamityRanger, 05 février 2010 - 11:48 .

[.primus]

 Isn't she some information broker now and she has this insecurity about displaying affection or speaking freely?! NO, they didn't drop the ball. You just didn't realize the predicament she is in. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

CalamityRanger wrote...

TL;DR It took me til getting that dialogue option that most people miss to know that Liara still very much loves my Sheppie, and that the bond they made is still very much alive, unlike how the Shadow Broker will be... Here's hoping it all pays off in 3!

That line has nothing to do with love, though. She says that to Shepards who didn't romance her as well. So at the very best she "loves" all Shepards no matter what they did, but that also means the actual relationship doesn't affect Liara at all, as she doesn't do anything different aside from a brief, awkward kiss.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

.primus wrote...

 Isn't she some information broker now and she has this insecurity about displaying affection or speaking freely?! NO, they didn't drop the ball. You just didn't realize the predicament she is in. 

You should read the topic before you start saying things like this.

There is no reason why Liara would fear speaking about love, when she openly and loudly admits that she's trying to kill people.

[WilliamShatner]

If you romanced Liara you are the the most important person in her life and you two have a "deep emotional connection". She never gives up on you went you are assume dead, and now after two years the only thing she does when you are finally reunion is a cold welcoming kiss and then talk business and get you to do her errands.

It stinks and it doesn't make sense.

The scene could have been an emotional reunion where you can affirm your feelings for each other. Even if Liara has changed the fact that you can't tell her how you feel is appalling.

PS.  Coupled with the fact that you show more feelings towards Jacob the first time you say "I want to know more about you" than you do when talking with Liara makes me want to destroy the disc.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 05 février 2010 - 11:55 .

[Puzzlewell]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

TL;DR It took me til getting that dialogue option that most people miss to know that Liara still very much loves my Sheppie, and that the bond they made is still very much alive, unlike how the Shadow Broker will be... Here's hoping it all pays off in 3!

That line has nothing to do with love, though. She says that to Shepards who didn't romance her as well. So at the very best she "loves" all Shepards no matter what they did, but that also means the actual relationship doesn't affect Liara at all, as she doesn't do anything different aside from a brief, awkward kiss.

Yeah but really it's up to interpretation. It's a bit crappy that the line is said no matter what, but hey, if that's the best we can get for now then at least feel good about it in the context that you want it to be taken in. It made me feel better, and as the player I think that's what is important.

[Sharn01]

There is just no acknowlegement of the romance other then a slight difference in the greeting. As mad as the Kaiden/Ashley fans are about their romance dilaog from ME2 at least it was there, and it was a thousand times better then Liara's.



They send you and email, they talk to Garrus if he is with you, Kelly ask's about them, hell, Kelly ask's if there was a relationship with them even if there was not one, and even Joker comments on Kaiden/Ashley. But Liara is not acknowledged by any one, even if you bring both Garrus and Tali to the meeting, they have nothing to say.

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

You don't know Liara is on Illium until you get there, though.

But she knows you're alive. It's odd she didn't try to contact you.

I agree, she has sources, even some hired muscle damnit, she can't contact me but freaking Anderson can?

I thought TIM pretty clearly tells you she is on Illium if you ask about her when you first meet him.

I think he doesn't tell you that until after Horizon, I think when you ask about your former team he says something about not being able to find her or knowing where she is?  I'll have to pay more attention, if there is a next time.

[Annihilator27]

She scares me , She has pwer lol.But i still like her more as a li then anyone else.Shes still my li, wonder whats going to happen in me3