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[Nozybidaj]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Yes Liara is different, yes she's a bit distant and very focused on her goal, but the reason for all of this? Revenge against someone who very much wronged her and her mate. She made herself harder in order to right the wrong that was done to the person she loves and really, I can't fault her for that. My Sheppie is not taking a love interest in 2, because BioWare infact did not brush off the bond formed in 1, and that makes me incredibly happy.

That little piece of dialogue is there whether you romanced her or not, there is no acknowledgmet of anything that happened between them in ME1.

As for her change, so she supposedly went through hell, and made a deal with the devil to get this person she cared so much about back, going so far as to defy the Shadow Broker and cut a deal with Cerberus.  Then she spends the next two years of her life fighting the Shadow Broker supposedly because of what he has done,  Then when this person she supposedly cares so much about returns unexpectedly back in her life alive and well the best she can do is give him the cold shoulder and send him on an errand before shoving him out the door?

Even if its a given that her experiences hardened her, the entire scene is complete rubbish and a railroad job on the character and the choices we made in ME1.  Not to mention the fact that Shepard never once has the option to say anything about how he feels about it.

I was really trying to play through the game the whole way with my Shep/Liara character but the whole thing completely turned me off the game.  I'm sitting at home right now, on a Friday night where it is absolutely snowing like a mother outside and I figured what better time than now to get some game time in.  I started up ME2, loaded my Shep, scanned a few planets, and then exited out.  That's about how excited I am for ME2. <_<

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...
Yeah but really it's up to interpretation. It's a bit crappy that the line is said no matter what, but hey, if that's the best we can get for now then at least feel good about it in the context that you want it to be taken in. It made me feel better, and as the player I think that's what is important.

Well, I'm glad it amde you feel better.

I simply am not satisfied with having to specifically and actively choose to interpret something a certain way in order to find it reassuring.

Do Kai/Ash fans have to assume about their relationship status? Not really. They both send you emails saying how they feel (even if they are unsure about some things) and Shepard can tell Kelly how she/he feels about Kaidan and Ashley.

I can't tell anyone how I feel about Liara, and Liara doesn't tell anyone how she feels about the relationship's status. It's not good enough, and if BioWare thinks they did well with Liara romance carry-over, they're dead wrong.

This.

[joejoe099]

i like the fact that you got the kiss, showing that you did have somthing, but she's turned into a hard ass in last 2 years, having a friend killed, hunting the shadow broker, and having her mom die.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

The whole thing with her having become a top information broker in less than two years is so hackneyed. A one powerful enough to have the frigging Shadow Broker worried, no less. Did Bioware think that a scientist and Prothean archeologist wasn't cool enough of a profession for her any longer? Where did those extensive contacts of her's in ME2 materialize? In less than two years? This is the young maiden asari who spent most of her youth enjoying her solitude on remote dig sites. She liked being by herself, and wasn't used to dealing with people.

It's just... bad plotting and bad writing. Throughout. The signs were already visible in the comic. They should change the writer for Liara in ME3. It might be the last chance the character gets. I know Drew probably won't be returning, but just... someone else. Please.

This as well.  Apparently whoever took over the writing duties really has it in for Liara.  

[jlb524]

I don't mind that Liara has become 'hardened', but I would like to see more of her softer side and her geek side as well. If she gets more than 10 minutes of screen time in ME3, hopefully we can see this again.

[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

The whole thing with her having become a top information broker in less than two years is so hackneyed. A one powerful enough to have the frigging Shadow Broker worried, no less. Did Bioware think that a scientist and Prothean archeologist wasn't cool enough of a profession for her any longer? Where did those extensive contacts of her's in ME2 materialize? In less than two years? This is the young maiden asari who spent most of her youth enjoying her solitude on remote dig sites. She liked being by herself, and wasn't used to dealing with people.

It's just... bad plotting and bad writing. Throughout. The signs were already visible in the comic. They should change the writer for Liara in ME3. It might be the last chance the character gets. I know Drew probably won't be returning, but just... someone else. Please.

This as well.  Apparently whoever took over the writing duties really has it in for Liara.  

Well no one necessarily took over the writing duties. It's still Drew's baby I think. Trust me, we just don't know enough about what's going on. We will see our Liara back in full effect watch...

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Well no one necessarily took over the writing duties. It's still Drew's baby I think. Trust me, we just don't know enough about what's going on. We will see our Liara back in full effect watch...

Thought he moved on to SWTOR?  Whoever was responsible was certainly out to railroad her and the PC though.

I suppose they thought it would be "emotionally engaging", and they got that much right, but not in the way they wanted.

[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Well no one necessarily took over the writing duties. It's still Drew's baby I think. Trust me, we just don't know enough about what's going on. We will see our Liara back in full effect watch...

Thought he moved on to SWTOR?  Whoever was responsible was certainly out to railroad her and the PC though.

I suppose they thought it would be "emotionally engaging", and they got that much right, but not in the way they wanted.

Yeah Drew did move temporarily to TOR, but he finished the ME trilogy story with the team before he left. He is still coming back too as they develop ME3 I heard. I could be wrong about the last part.

I really think we are just suffering from the comicbook effect. It is bad for business to spoil the comicbook story before it is fully released (there is till episodes 3 and 4 yet to be released) so they had to keep certain story developments away from us in ME2. I think we will get the DLC for this reason. If not, then I am sure we'll finalize and be rewarded in ME3 (God that is a long time from now *cringe* )

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 06 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[Nozybidaj]

General Stubbs wrote...

I am going to go with the optimistic approach and assume all of this is leading up to a big ME3 Liara storyline or Liara DLC.
I have to admit it was emotionally engaging. If we didn't care about her actions we wouldn't be talking about her.

Except I'm not emotionally engaged with the characters or the story.  I'm emotionally engaged with the writers and the development leads. I doubt that is what they were shooting for.

[EatinMcRib]

It would be hilarious if this all builds up to a DLC/ME3 where she dumps you in grand fashion. Surprise!

[Radahldo]

How are you guys getting these icons?

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...
 If not, then I am sure we'll finalize and be rewarded in ME3 (God that is a long time from now *cringe* )

I suppose, but it just leaves a big black hole in the middle of the trilogy where all the character development is supposed to be.

[DigitalMaster37]

Radahldo wrote...

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From our groups. We are repping our groups which are focused on our favorite LIs. join us and you can get one too. We are letting our voices be heard all around these forums...

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 06 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[Pyro_Monkey]

Yeah, from what i heard Liara lovers got the short end of the stick. I've only done one femshep playthrough (Kaidan lover), I liked the "romance" scene, where she looks forlornly at the picture on her desk. While there wasn't much of the romance in game, that scene had a lot of meaning to me.

[Talon_Wu]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...
 If not, then I am sure we'll finalize and be rewarded in ME3 (God that is a long time from now *cringe* )

I suppose, but it just leaves a big black hole in the middle of the trilogy where all the character development is supposed to be.

This.

It just feels wrong somehow, like there should be more. I don't know if I've been spoiled by DA:O, but it seems like there was more interaction even in ME1. Things that should be important, pivotal to the story and to the characters, feel like throwaways. Case in point: when I found out that the Collectors were Protheans, my first thought was, "Wow, wait 'til Liara hears this!" I wanted to howl with frustration when the knowledge got me diddly all. She is -was- a Prothean expert, you'd think it would be important info.

The point of a trilogy -in my opinion- is to allow an arc of development for a story, and the included characters' progression through the story's trials. While there has been some change and growth in ME2, some things, like the ME1 romance, have stagnated. If the writers had wished it, there could have been communication between Shepard and Liara, through encripted e-mails at least, and Shepard could have acknowledged her existence with Kelly and her old shipmates. Whether this omission was deliberate or sloppy, we may never know, but if some reassurance is not given through DLC, or by the time ME3 is near release, I will be approaching ME3 with much more wariness.

[Daeion]

Justin2k wrote...

I really just didn't like Liara at all and thought Samara and the other Asari were both a lot more interesting.

I very much hope they do not spend a playable character spot on her in ME3 although I feel they might.

I'd prefer they didn't bring in a new cast of squad mates but I know they are already working on it which means that anyone from the previous games will probably be relegated to cameos like the ME1 cast was in this one.  instead of introducing new chars for the last part of the story they should be developing the characters.  Honestly the cast from ME3 is probably just goignt o be a bunch of throw aways which is how i viewed most of this group.

[Daeion]

General Stubbs wrote...

I am going to go with the optimistic approach and assume all of this is leading up to a big ME3 Liara storyline or Liara DLC.
I have to admit it was emotionally engaging. If we didn't care about her actions we wouldn't be talking about her.
Now we need to see the good old Liara back in action though!

Honestly I think most are upset because what should have been emotionally engaging wasn't because there was no way for us to say how we felt and get a reaction from her.  So instead of being emotionally engaged with the story, we are upset with BW.

Modifié par Daeion, 06 février 2010 - 04:53 .

[Daeion]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...


Well no one necessarily took over the writing duties. It's still Drew's baby I think. Trust me, we just don't know enough about what's going on. We will see our Liara back in full effect watch...

Thought he moved on to SWTOR?  Whoever was responsible was certainly out to railroad her and the PC though.

I suppose they thought it would be "emotionally engaging", and they got that much right, but not in the way they wanted.

Yeah Drew did move temporarily to TOR, but he finished the ME trilogy story with the team before he left. He is still coming back too as they develop ME3 I heard. I could be wrong about the last part.

I really think we are just suffering from the comicbook effect. It is bad for business to spoil the comicbook story before it is fully released (there is till episodes 3 and 4 yet to be released) so they had to keep certain story developments away from us in ME2. I think we will get the DLC for this reason. If not, then I am sure we'll finalize and be rewarded in ME3 (God that is a long time from now *cringe* )

So they should have released the comic back in Oct to actually build up to the game instead of most people beating the game before the final piece of the puzzel comes out.  Just seems like bad story telling since this is supposed to fill in the time frame for after you died.

[Daeion]

EatinMcRib wrote...

It would be hilarious if this all builds up to a DLC/ME3 where she dumps you in grand fashion. Surprise!

Oh man, think of all the hate mail BW would get.

[Daeion]

General Stubbs wrote...

What I should have said was that they probably wanted us to think about her reaction towards Shepard and wonder what her problem was. (It is probable for them to have made her act this way so we would all buy DLC at a later point).
I didn't mean to say that it is not extremely frustrating.
I'm not impressed with the reasons Bioware they gave us for why they couldn't do romance specific dialogue.
Shepard seemed happier to see Garrus than his/her lover. Even though they haven't finished the comic book series yet, why isn't Shepard happy in the least bit to see Liara?
Shepard lovingly stares at her picture before a suicide mission but when Shepard meets her in person he/she doesn't care.

Wait wait, they actually gave us a reason as to why they failed so hard at this?

[Nozybidaj]

Talon_Wu wrote...
The point of a trilogy -in my opinion- is to allow an arc of development for a story, and the included characters' progression through the story's trials. While there has been some change and growth in ME2, some things, like the ME1 romance, have stagnated.

This is the second biggest problem I have with ME2 (aside from how Liara was handled).  Instead of having part 1 introduce the characters and the universe, part 2 develop those characters their relationships and the big threat, then culminating in part 3 where you have the big spectacular climax with the enemy; we get part 1 introduce some characters and the enemy, part 2 forget about the old characters and introduce some new characters and introduce some minion type bad guys, part 3 climax with the enemy.

All the character development is missing.  Even if the sole focus of development was supposed to be on Shepard, that ended after the first 20 mins where he becomes part robot.  There were no big decisions to make or life/attitude changing moments that effected him.  It was just take this list of names, collect em like a bunch of Pokeman, then throw em at this randomly introduced villain.  If you want, bring some of em back alive, if not no worries.

Now, that said I thought Wrex, Tali and Garrus had great character development and really enjoyed seeing them again.  Its a small glimmer of what the game could have been if they had developed the LI's and their relationship with Shepard.

[jlb524]

Radahldo wrote...

How are you guys getting these icons?

Are you a DA:O PC user?  If so, then you can get one.

[Kilshrek]

Just read Redemption #2 and I'm so seeing our Drell interloper falling for Liara. Whether or not she reciprocates is something to be revealed in the next two issues but I see a worrying trend. If she cheats on my Shep... I'll.. I'll cheat on her back! Then shoot the sneaky lizard (hopefully we can) in ME 3.



Of course, it's titled Redemption for some reason or another,,, Dunno why she'd feel so guilty about Shep dying, not like any other crew member was too fussed about it..