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[Mox Ruuga]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I wouldn't say that Liara was a total waste. I'm finding it much easier not to cheat on her when compared to Ash. She was a total jerk. They needed that email just to make you feel remotely sorry about jumping ship on her relationship subplot.

But at least they acknowledge you and Ash had a relationship. Joker and Kelly mention it too.

With Liara, no one cares. She's not even brought up as having been a member of the crew. Take Tali and Garrus there, nothing happens. If you bring Garrus to Horizon, at least Kaidan will comment on him working for Cerberus.

Sure, Liara gets more content. But I'll take quality over quantity.

[sm00thie88]

Been there - play it without liara beeing a LI in me1 and she'll have exact the same dialogue options 'bout bringing you back to life. Waste of time -.-

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

They don't want you to stay loyal??? lol

Very likely they didn't. In interviews close to the release, they talked how most people would end up "cheating" no matter what, since the new ME2 LIs are so compelling. What they didn't tell, was that they had stacked the deck by turning Liara into a mockery of her former self, and given Kaidan and Ash very brief, angry and unfulfilling cameos.

They made sure you only lose content during a playthrough if you stay loyal. With Liara, you gain nothing. Not one thing. With Kaidan and Ash you get few more dialogues with Joker and Kelly, and that email.

There's also supposed to be some tracking going on, about how many people end up cheating, and that the results would be "interesting". Will these "results" be used to back up some design and writing decisions down the line, I know not. But I wouldn't be surprised. Ah well, they won't be able to cram Tali down my throat in ME3, no matter what the "results" say. Dead quarian is dead.

Most likely it will be used as "validation" that removing the ME1 cast was the "right thing to do" and keep them from having larger roles in ME3 so they can focus on the ME2 cast.  That is what my pessimistic side says.

Yeah but how can you focus on  a cast that could be mostly dead?  I mean that's the reason they had to use Liara in the comic because either Ash or Kaiden were going to be dead.

[Reconfire89]

Anybody think/hope that after Redemption is finished, they'll release some DLC?



Obviously, if we all know what happens in the comics, nobody is going to buy them.



I don't think it's just Liara they dropped the ball with. The Universe feels entirely incomplete. Choices don't seemed to have stretched further than the planets you made them on. People remember things incorrectly.



If I was just able to return to Noveria, Feros and the Wards and Presidium from the original game, and see how my choices had affected those areas....



Sorry for being off-topic. Just sayin'.

[Illum.se]

Anticitizen1 wrote...

Hey check this out:
Characters change over time. Totally new concept, I know.

I would have bought that concept if the dialogue with Liara wasn't so retarded. I'm not expecting Liara to do a "You had me at hello" on me after all she's been through, but the dialogue, jeez.

I would have expected something like:
Cpt. Shep > Omg Liara, my whole essence is quivering at the sight of you. I'm so happy to see you, every cold night in my recovery statis fealt like an eternity without you.
L > *Cry* I feel the same, but if I don't strike first at the ones hunting us, we can never be anyway...

But no, It's actually closer to:
Cpt. Shep > Good to see you miss T'Soni. You're different, did you do something to your tentacles? Oh well, see you around.
L > You're blocking the light, I can't see my terminal. Not if I see you first btw.

[The BS Police]

I jsut finished reading Redemption #2 and I think it's safe to say the Liara is not interested in Feron or Vice Versa. Basically she paid him to help her find Shepard, and just because Feron saved her from a Grenade doesn't mean they have something going on between each other.

Remember that Shepard saved Liara from Saren's men let alone the entire Galaxy in Mass Effect 1, theres really no comparison between the two. Liara is dead set on on doing whatever it takes to find Shepard and that looks to be the reason why Liara somehow screwed up and got her friend captured or killed.

[Nozybidaj]

Reconfire89 wrote...

Anybody think/hope that after Redemption is finished, they'll release some DLC?

Obviously, if we all know what happens in the comics, nobody is going to buy them.

I don't think it's just Liara they dropped the ball with. The Universe feels entirely incomplete. Choices don't seemed to have stretched further than the planets you made them on. People remember things incorrectly.

If I was just able to return to Noveria, Feros and the Wards and Presidium from the original game, and see how my choices had affected those areas....

Sorry for being off-topic. Just sayin'.

They really should have planned better and had the comic end just before the game came out.  Poor planning that unfortunately may have had a bad impact on the scene overall, though it feels more like it was a lack of effort than a desire not to spoil the comic. 

I agree with your other points as well.  I suppose having choices that carry over with weight behind them was just too hard to pull off.  Most of your choices from the first game are either ignored (like Liara) or amount to a random email or radio broadcast.  Nothing we did in ME1 really had any solid or lasting impact in ME2.

[Thorn Harvestar]

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.



I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

[Nozybidaj]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.

I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

Hehe, well prior to launch BW asked us to trust them and give them the benefit of the doubt, and considering their track record I did.  Now I want to see results, my faith only goes so far.

[Nayt Navare]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.

I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

Hehe, well prior to launch BW asked us to trust them and give them the benefit of the doubt, and considering their track record I did.  Now I want to see results, my faith only goes so far.

agreed

[crimzontearz]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.

I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

she picks avenging feron over being with shepard.....even if shepard was the one who popped her blue Asari cherry. 

sorry but I do not buy the friendship thing

[Nayt Navare]

crimzontearz wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.

I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

she picks avenging feron over being with shepard.....even if shepard was the one who popped her blue Asari cherry. 

sorry but I do not buy the friendship thing

Its more than just "avenging Feron".  The SB went after Shepard, too.  The Shadow Broker is a threat, plain and simple.  I'm sure Liara had every faith in Shepard succeeding, and that he didn't need her, though she would have been tremendously valuable, both in combat and emotionally.

[Nozybidaj]

SE JN wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

I'm thinking Feron and Liara will become friends, but I don't see it becoming more than that. Especially in a short 4-part comic, which is already halfway done.

I beat ME2 staying faithful to her. Now we just need to have faith in Bioware.

she picks avenging feron over being with shepard.....even if shepard was the one who popped her blue Asari cherry. 

sorry but I do not buy the friendship thing

Its more than just "avenging Feron".  The SB went after Shepard, too.  The Shadow Broker is a threat, plain and simple.  I'm sure Liara had every faith in Shepard succeeding, and that he didn't need her, though she would have been tremendously valuable, both in combat and emotionally.

I think it is rather a lost cause to try and draw any conclusions about character motivation for what they did or did not do in game.  The characters and their actions were so poorly represented that any attempt to rationalize it just becomes as full of holes as the actual in game portrayal of it is.

Plain and simple the devs dropped the ball and did a ****** poor job with the Liara reunion, her characterization, and her (and I use this term in its loosest form) character development.

Whether she would or wouldn't go with Shepard, why or why not, any events that happened that drive her to those actions are all really pointless to speculate about.  It is what it is, there's no going back and changing it at this point.  BW just needs to pick the ball back up and do something to make things right at ths point.

[Thorn Harvestar]

She found out that the SB was working with the Collectors, which means Reapers too. I doubt the SB would be uninformed about the Collector's "masters".

Her personal mission may be nearly as important as Shepard's own in ME2, IMO.

There's a reason they put in acknowledgement of beating ME2 while staying faithful with the photo scene. It'll affect ME3 in some way, and I'm hopeful it will be in a worthwhile manner.

That said, I was disappointed with the lack of acknowledgement outside of that scene in ME2. I do think they could have done more, but at least there was nothing saying it was over between Liara/Shepard. She did admit that the SB takedown was the only thing holding her back.

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 08 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[JamieCOTC]

A darker edgier Liara may not be all bad. (Taking a cue from DA:O)

Liara: "No, Shepard, the collar's not for me." 

[Nozybidaj]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

She found out that the SB was working with the Collectors, which means Reapers too. I doubt the SB would be uninformed about the Collector's "masters".

Her personal mission may be nearly as important as Shepard's own in ME2, IMO.

There's a reason they put in acknowledgement of beating ME2 while staying faithful with the photo scene. It'll affect ME3 in some way, and I'm hopeful it will be in a worthwhile manner.

That said, I was disappointed with the lack of acknowledgement outside of that scene in ME2. I do think they could have done more, but at least there was nothing saying it was over between Liara/Shepard. She did admit that the SB takedown was the only thing holding her back.

They just better have some epicly wicked expansion pack planned to tie this altogether.  I've waited two years to find out what happens to Shep and Liara and with the way things currently stand it is about to spoil the whole ME experience for me.

[Daeion]

KujiMuji wrote...

Screw Liara, go jump on Miranda or Tali instead.

Maybe Kelly as well.

Miranda and Tali are no go's for fem sheps

[Daeion]

jojon2se wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
A lot would have probably remained faithful that didn't from the looks of this thread.  I'm sure the devs see Liara's complete mischaracterization as a big "win" for them based on that alone.

Now we're just waiting for BW to drop the bomb on us, in ME3 by having Liara really having turned every bit as psychotic and murderous as she comes across in ME2 - that will teach us a thing or two about committing criminal acts just because we trust someone we used to like, hehe.

We are going to start ME3 in an Asari prison because we helped Liara hack their systems.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...

jojon2se wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
A lot would have probably remained faithful that didn't from the looks of this thread.  I'm sure the devs see Liara's complete mischaracterization as a big "win" for them based on that alone.

Now we're just waiting for BW to drop the bomb on us, in ME3 by having Liara really having turned every bit as psychotic and murderous as she comes across in ME2 - that will teach us a thing or two about committing criminal acts just because we trust someone we used to like, hehe.

We are going to start ME3 in an Asari prison because we helped Liara hack their systems.

Ugh, why does that not sound far fetched at this point? <_<

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Except they shouldn't be railroading us into wanting to cheat, people should want to cheat because the new LI's are so interesting, not because their old ones aren't.  As for the tali part, I don't think fem sheps can romance her which only leaves Garrus for the alien thing if people are into that and there's a big difference between Liara, Tali, and Garrus.

Well, aside from Tali the rest of the new LI's actually are that uninteresting, so I can kinda sorta see why the felt they needed to remove any trace of the ME1 romances so people would feel more "explorative".

Oh, I know they are uninteresting, I think most people cheated because they were basically forced to due to how BW handled ME LI's.

[Daeion]

General Stubbs wrote...

Daeion wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

My biggest problem with the scene was Shepard's lack of emotion. I guess she had some sort of excuse (albeit a lame one on BioWare's part) for not saying I love you.
There is no real excuse for Shepard not to be loving towards her after two years of not seeing her.

Exactly, and as people have said, shep was more excited to see Garrus then Liara which is lame considering Liara was a LI in ME and Garrus was just a friend.

Lol, Shepard seemed happier to see Zaeed than Liara.
I never thought that BW would let something so important be almost completely left out of the game.
It is not like they just forgot to reference a random side quest in ME1.
Did they really think that people would not be upset about the Liara romance?
I would rather have had an immediate release of Liara DLC than freaking Zaeed.

Agreed, the only thing I use Zaeed for is to escort crew members back to the Normandy.

[Daeion]

Nimander wrote...

As I've said before, the comic combined with her wording in ME2 is my concern.

Liara possibly having an affair a month after Shep's death, and being so loyal to him she won't talk to Shep about it and so on? That ... disturbs me.

It sounds a lot like the stereotypical 'angst is art' thing you get from bad writers. And it's enough of a trope/cliche that I worry that's where they're going.

The disturbing thing is cheating on shep while looking fighting tooth and nail to get the body back

Modifié par Daeion, 08 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[Thievius Sisko]

Nozybidaj wrote...

They just better have some epicly wicked expansion pack planned to tie this altogether.  I've waited two years to find out what happens to Shep and Liara and with the way things currently stand it is about to spoil the whole ME experience for me.

I agree. My favorite part of ME1 was the Liara romance. Without it, ME2 just wasn't the same for me. Unless they have some Liara DLC up their sleeve or she makes a comeback in ME3, it will really have spoiled the trilogy for me.

[DigitalMaster37]

Can't wait to get my lady back in the DLC/ME3.