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[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Sharn01 wrote...

It doesnt change the fact that the romance with Liara is not mentions, by either Liara or Shep, Garrus and Tali have nothing to say, and no one on the ship make any reference to her, which they all do for Kaiden/Ashley/

If you romanced Liara the only thing you get is a kiss and then she shakes her head like it was a mistake and then its all business, and Shep cant even go "What, is something wrong?"

Oh I agree, youre preaching to the choir here. Liaras role in ME2 was the single biggest let down for me. It was pathetic, and had next to no effort going into it. Im hoping they do have DLC planned, because a wait until ME3 with THAT to satisfy for the next few years is going to do some serious damage. It already ruined my interest in the new squad, so much that all of them can get cameod in ME3 now and I wont care.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Patience is a virtue that it is clear some people in this topic seriously lack.

You were all told BEFORE the game came out that they wouldn't be in it much, it was a bit obvious the conversations weren't going to be great, specially for Ash/Kaiden considering your working for an enemy that we fought in ME and obviously due to Liara as she feels guilty for giving you to Cerberus.

I know this might be hard for some of you kids to understand but I am sure Bioware is going to ensure the LIs play a big part in ME3 so how about showing some patience.

Arrogance is a flaw. We already showed patience waiting for ME2. Theyve told us next to nothing, and just sidelined it without a care in the world. Why dont you exercise some patience and let Bioware recieve the criticism theyve duly earned. Until whatever they have planned for DLC or ME3 comes out, her role sucks, and Bioware sucks for doing it.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 08 février 2010 - 10:57 .

[1490]

Sharn01 wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Daeion wrote...

He may have gone after Shep but at this point Liara is doing this for her"friend," she says as much when you dig into why she is going after the SB.

And what else does she say, hmm? She says shes doing it for Shepard as well, because she obviously feels a great deal of guilt about handing him over to cerberus, and SB trying to sell Shepards body to the collectors was the cause of doing that. It also clearly didnt sit well with her regardless.

Its a bigger part of her grude again the SB than Feron is. She cares about Feron, but its Shepard that means more to her. Its in a later dialogue, and has more time and animation afforded to it.

It doesnt change the fact that the romance with Liara is not mentions, by either Liara or Shep, Garrus and Tali have nothing to say, and no one on the ship make any reference to her, which they all do for Kaiden/Ashley/

If you romanced Liara the only thing you get is a kiss and then she shakes her head like it was a mistake and then its all business, and Shep cant even go "What, is something wrong?"

Yeah, I don't buy that Liara would brush Shepard off so easily.  It's implied by the ME comic that she is risking her life just to find Shepards dead body, not even knowing if it's possible to resurrect him yet.  That's a pretty big change of heart to be obsessed with finding Shepard, then almost completely forget about him and become obsessed with finding the Shadow Broker.  Maybe it's a bigger part of the story we won't find out until ME 3, but I agree: I would have liked a greater acknowledgement of the romance.

[Mox Ruuga]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...


Arrogance is a flaw. We already showed patience waiting for ME2. Theyve told us next to nothing, and just sidelined it without a care in the world. Why dont you exercise some patience and let Bioware recieve the criticism theyve duly earned. Until whatever they have planned for DLC or ME3 comes out, her role sucks, and Bioware sucks for doing it.

Ignore the smug troll, Dinkamus.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Patience is a virtue that it is clear some people in this topic seriously lack.

You were all told BEFORE the game came out that they wouldn't be in it much, it was a bit obvious the conversations weren't going to be great, specially for Ash/Kaiden considering your working for an enemy that we fought in ME and obviously due to Liara as she feels guilty for giving you to Cerberus.

I know this might be hard for some of you kids to understand but I am sure Bioware is going to ensure the LIs play a big part in ME3 so how about showing some patience.

Arrogance is a flaw. We already showed patience waiting for ME2. Theyve told us next to nothing, and just sidelined it without a care in the world. Why dont you exercise some patience and let Bioware recieve the criticism theyve duly earned. Until whatever they have planned for DLC or ME3 comes out, her role sucks, and Bioware sucks for doing it.

I refer you to the part of my post that I've just bolded for you as it is clear you didn't read it.

They told us that the LIs wouldn't be in it much and to be honest if you can't understand why the 3 LIs are the way they are with Shep then you clearly lack intelligence. They said they would be playing major parts in ME3, so as I said... patience.

Edit: @Mox smug troll? i think not, voice of reason more like. If you lack the intelligence to come out with anything but such a stupid comment, maybe it best you not bother at all.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 08 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[sm00thie88]

This isn't about patience or any other noble virtue - this is about how the dialogue with liara was designed and it was designed poorly.



I'll bet that everyone could live with the LI's from me1 not having a big role in me2 but having some substantial conversation which warms your heart - but fail

[Mox Ruuga]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Oh I agree, youre preaching to the choir here. Liaras role in ME2 was the single biggest let down for me. It was pathetic, and had next to no effort going into it. Im hoping they do have DLC planned, because a wait until ME3 with THAT to satisfy for the next few years is going to do some serious damage. It already ruined my interest in the new squad, so much that all of them can get cameod in ME3 now and I wont care.

One good thing about the new team, you can ensure the ones you dislike the most don't end up in ME3.

Three can die in the space battle and the subsequent crash, more can die during the mission. You can even kill loyal people off, with certain "strategies".

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

sm00thie88 wrote...

This isn't about patience or any other noble virtue - this is about how the dialogue with liara was designed and it was designed poorly.

I'll bet that everyone could live with the LI's from me1 not having a big role in me2 but having some substantial conversation which warms your heart - but fail

You mean the dialogue where she opens up to you if you manage to probe with the right questions to confirm her feeling of guilt for leaving you with Cerberus just with some glimmer of hope you might live and that is even if you don't romance her?

That dialogue?

Ok, you clearly are living in some stupid dreamworld if you expected her after what she has been through to be in any super happy joy joy state of mind.

[sm00thie88]

Yeah that dialogue - and leave me and my dreamworld in peace



No it's the fact bothering me, that she tells you exactly the same when got a romance in me1 with her and if you did not. That's annoying, wrong and you really feel some kind of dumped, confused, destroyed state of mind after leaving her

[bjdbwea]

Yeah... patience. I've had patience with BioWare. I read about many changes in ME 2, and there wasn't a single one where I thought "Oh? That sounds better than ME 1 even!" Not one. Still I had patience and trusted it'd be alright in the end. Hey, it's BioWare! It wasn't alright. I still have patience. Next time, I'll exercise even more patience and wait for a reduced price or buy the game used, if BioWare don't change their ways.



And stop with the "understanding". We're past that. We've more or less figured out the intention of the developers. The fact remains: It was a prime example of bad story telling. Whatever the developers' intention with this important character, that scene needs more dialogue.

[Mox Ruuga]

Sigh. Ignore the obvious insult monger troll, Liara fans.

Anyone who asks us to have four years of patience is completely out of it.

[bjdbwea]

You just go on believing everything you're told, and eating up everything you've been served. Good customer.

[Sharn01]

Maviarab wrote...

To all the people ****ing here....

YEah its a let down, but this is Bioware.....and their writing skills are the best in the business. This would have been done for a reason....can just see you all in 2-3 years time....lawding and praising the very same people your now dissing for what a wonderful way Liara was potrayed and written.

Just because YOU don't LIKE whats been done with her is quite frankly YOUR issue...it will be resolved in ME3, we all know this, have been told this.

There is no 'need' for anything, are you professional writers? No didnt think so, so you have no frame of referance on what is good writing or bad. As for other posters insults, no one is out of it, your just a typical customer who wants wants wants and wants some more, screw everyone else cos you have not got your toys. Nice to see the foums are still a happy place to be.

So, accept thats the way se has been written, and wait for more of her (presumably as a squad member and LI) in ME3....

Thank you for setting me straight, I did not realize only professional writer's are capable of determining if part of a story is of good quality.  I have had an epiphany thanks to you.  I can apply this logic to every part of my life and be so much happier. 

When I get a flat tire, I wont change it, I will just drive on the rim, because only a mechanic can determine if there is something wrong with it, when I get a burnt steak that I ordered mediem rare I will just eat it and smile, because only a professional chef can determine if it tastes good.

Your sound logic has saved us all oh great one.

Modifié par Sharn01, 08 février 2010 - 02:06 .

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

They really should never have introduced so many new companions. It's only natural that it would take away development time from others. It seems widely accepted as the main reason that they didn't want to discourage new players who wouldn't know the old companions. If that's the case (and I think it is), it's more than probable that ME 3 will again do the same. All that we should realistically hope for at this point is that the relationship with Liara plays ANY role at all, maybe at least in your particular ending (if the game features relevant different endings at all). Just look at all the other changes they got away with, people still bought the game.

I agree, going with new companions was a mistake but keeping old ones wouldn't be any more confusing to new people than new characters are.  Someone new to the game in ME2 doesn't have any idea who any of the characters are regardless if the characters already know Shepard or not.  They would all require the same sort of introdutction for a new person.

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
snip.

Arrogance is a flaw. We already showed patience waiting for ME2. Theyve told us next to nothing, and just sidelined it without a care in the world. Why dont you exercise some patience and let Bioware recieve the criticism theyve duly earned. Until whatever they have planned for DLC or ME3 comes out, her role sucks, and Bioware sucks for doing it.

Dink, please don't feed the trolls.

[Nozybidaj]

1490 wrote...

Yeah, I don't buy that Liara would brush Shepard off so easily.  It's implied by the ME comic that she is risking her life just to find Shepards dead body, not even knowing if it's possible to resurrect him yet.  That's a pretty big change of heart to be obsessed with finding Shepard, then almost completely forget about him and become obsessed with finding the Shadow Broker.  Maybe it's a bigger part of the story we won't find out until ME 3, but I agree: I would have liked a greater acknowledgement of the romance.

This, it makes absolutely no sense if everything she did and everything she went through was for Shep to now completely blow Shep off.

[Daeion]

General Stubbs wrote...

Yeah, unless BW half-asses ME3, I can't see them being able to fit the remainder of the story into one more game.
Maybe that is their plan though is to make more than three games.
Nevertheless, we need some massive Liara DLC.

I believe they said the ME3 would be the end of Shepards story but it woldn't be the end of the Universe.

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

Yeah, unless BW half-asses ME3, I can't see them being able to fit the remainder of the story into one more game.
Maybe that is their plan though is to make more than three games.
Nevertheless, we need some massive Liara DLC.

Yeah, if we get a 10-15 hour expansion pack that is nothing but Liara and Shep, that would be enough to make me happy again.

We can dream can't we?  I mea in BW can push out an xpac  for DA:O withing 5 months of it being released maybe they can do that for ME2.  Coming soon, ME2: The Romance Sagas.

[Daeion]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

what happened to the shy and sweet girl I saw in the first game? now Liara's so cold... and kinda boring. she's so obsessed with revenge. I don't want a girl like that! it was the easier decision I ever made to forget about her and go out with Miranda

NOOOOOOOO You fell for the Dev's trap.

[Daeion]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

It also doesn't make sense. The Asari treasure the time spent with short-lived partners, so unless Liara is no longer interested she's being very selfish to say the least.

What happens on the Normandy stays on the Normandy?

[Daeion]

Kosmiker wrote...

And yet people keep asking for new LI chars.. I say "No More!". Pick one LI char from ME1 or ME2 and develop it in ME3. It's the final chapter, no time to be a Romeo in all chapters...

Besides, we already have 8 total possible romances.. if we keep asking for more and more loveable chars it's obvious quality/resources for previous ones will fail.

Well I think people are asking for more because really the ME2 ones aren't that compelling, I mean look at what they had to do with eh ME LI's just so people would cheat and explore the other LI's.  Also, I don't really expect a lot ov development of the ME2 LI's since they all had the potential to die and while it would be cool to see BW code for all the different possobilities, I don't think it's going to happen.

[Jeremy Winston]

I wonder if BioWare is gonna really put it to us...



Have your LI kidnapped, indoctrinated, and a major enemy for the first part of the game. First fourth of the game, you rescue her. Next quarter, she betrays you (as you don't realize she's indoctrinated). You have the option to kill her or try to save and deprogram her.



Then... payback. Of course, it doesn't work as well if you don't have an LI.



(No offense to the ones with male LIs. I needed a pronoun.)

[Jeremy Winston]

Actually.. I found the ME2 LIs to be fairly compelling. They could have spent more time on it, but there are a lot of characters. I enjoyed all the back stories and felt close to all of them.



I mean.. what are you looking for?

[CastroKathy]

The bottom-line for me; ME1 was compelling enough for me to purchase ME2 on release day (never done that before). I loved the characters, the story and the relationship with Liara. ME2 will not compel me to purchase ME3 on release day. While I do like many, many things about the game, it’s lost some of the spark I got from ME1. At the time, if it becomes clear from these boards that the story and characters are worthy of paying full price great, if not I’ll buy the thing used or wait six months and buy it at a discount.