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[Schurge]

Nigawatts wrote...

Does anyone actually play the game before ****ing? Liara tells you that she is the one who gave your body to Cerberus. Out of all the squadmates in ME1 she is the only one who kept looking out for Shepard. She is the only reason Shepard is in ME2.

Forgive me but the only email I got from Liara is addressed to all you guys smearing her without actually playing the game. It says screw you.

She honestly didn't say that to me. Then again I already know my dialogue is buggy (posted on tech forum).

[jlb524]

Nigawatts wrote...

Does anyone actually play the game before ****ing? Liara tells you that she is the one who gave your body to Cerberus. Out of all the squadmates in ME1 she is the only one who kept looking out for Shepard. She is the only reason Shepard is in ME2.

Forgive me but the only email I got from Liara is addressed to all you guys smearing her without actually playing the game. It says screw you.

Everyone here still loves Liara and we are most appreciative of what she did for our Shepards.

We are just disappointed by the way her 'romance' was implemented by the devs.

[KalosCast]

jlb524 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

Allow me to link one particular video, in case you missed a certain part of Liara's dialogue.

The problem is, Shepards who didn't romance Liara get the same exact dialog.  Though, if you did romance her, that dialog pulls on your heart-strings more.

Now, if non-Liara romance Shepards did not get that dialog, it would mean sooooo much more.

Liara falls for Shepard regardless of whether or not they reciprocate in 1, so it makes perfect sense that they'd get the same dialog.

As for her "destruction" (character development) if people bothered to pay attention to the game they were playing, they would have noticed the bit where Liara directly mentions suspecting being under surveillance and needing to keep up a persona and not revealing too much information.

Modifié par KalosCast, 04 février 2010 - 08:04 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Just as an aside, and I warn you that pessimism prevails in this post, but:



All those saying "it's okay because Liara will have an important role in ME3" are way too hopeful imo.



Lest you forget, Casey specifically said that the ME1 LI's played an important role in ME2. Well, they don't. Especially Liara.



Expecting something satisfactory from ME3 is wishful thinking at best imo, since BioWare has shown with ME2 that carry-over decisions are about as important as 2 paragraphs in an impersonal email or a one-time meaningless conversation in a random spaceport.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Honestly its not just with love interests they dropped the ball its with everything you did in ME1 in general. Save the Council? Oh there's no reaver threat even though you saved us from a reaver ship, 10 second dialog, the end. Or possibly hearing about something you did in ME1 on some random news feed. The End.



The story is great, the shooter part of the game is much more refined as well. Yet they felt the need to completely strip out the rest of the RPG element rather than fix what was wrong with it (having to do endless omni gelling of half your inventory) They should have found a middle ground for that as well, as not being able to gear up your squad aside from a couple stat chaning upgrades and a color change on an outfit should you do a loyalty quest is kinda an easy cop out imo. And don't get me started on how adepts pretty much get screwed on Hardcore and above with the changes to cool downs being global and everything having shields on those levels.



They may as well strip all the abilites out of the game and just have it be a shooter if thats what the're going for.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

KalosCast wrote...
Liara falls for Shepard regardless of whether or not they reciprocate in 1, so it makes perfect sense that they'd get the same dialog.

Then it makes even LESS sense for Liara not to acknowledge the romance, especially if Shepard actually romanced her.

[Ebosian]

Yeah Liara is pretty heatless in ME2..



"Still watching, still waiting" (for the shadow broker to miss up) With that evil glare does not fit her personality from ME1.

[BuffyLadySlayer]

These are all interesting points. I am in the camp that wants more from the relationship and believes the way it was handled seemed out of character. I mean, Liara was so innocent and awkward and supposedly the romance was a big deal to her. She described it as more than sex and basically said it was a spiritual union where 2 became 1. Asari or not, 2 years isn't that long. She had the luxury of knowing Shepard wasn't dead. She obviously cared enough to risk her own life to get your body. It just doesn't add up.



Let's all cross our fingers and drink a toast to the possibility of Liara DLC. The situation was certainly left open for it.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Whoa up there, pardner!



There is a couple years between now, and ME3, and in that time, I'm betting we get some insight, about our "lovers'" reasons, for not jumpin' our bones on sight.



Just be a little more patient? huh could you do that? oh wait, I just realized who I'm talking to.

[KalosCast]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
Liara falls for Shepard regardless of whether or not they reciprocate in 1, so it makes perfect sense that they'd get the same dialog.

Then it makes even LESS sense for Liara not to acknowledge the romance, especially if Shepard actually romanced her.

Under surveillance so needs to keep up persona and can't reveal too much information, greiving over loss of her friend, it's right in the dialog on why she wouldn't scream about how you're the single most important being to her in the galaxy.

Also, she's an Asari, who are not known for being impulsive creatures.

Modifié par KalosCast, 04 février 2010 - 08:07 .

[CastroKathy]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

If you romanced Kaidan or Ashley, though, you actually get content pertaining to the romance...

1) You can tell Kelly how you feel about Kaidan/Ashley.

2) Kaidan and Ashley send you an email.

Whaaat! This is the first I heard of this, now I'm truely p***ed.

[seyera]

KalosCast wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

KalosCast wrote...
Liara falls for Shepard regardless of whether or not they reciprocate in 1, so it makes perfect sense that they'd get the same dialog.

Then it makes even LESS sense for Liara not to acknowledge the romance, especially if Shepard actually romanced her.

Under surveillance so needs to keep up persona and can't reveal too much information, greiving over loss of her friend, it's right in the dialog on why she wouldn't scream about how you're the single most important being to her in the galaxy.

Also, she's an Asari, who are not known for being impulsive creatures.

Exactly, she is under constant watch. Her traitor of an assistant was in the room when Shepard first showed up (the one found in the observer quest). Liara has to know she must be careful. If she showed feelings for Shepard, her enemies could use it against her. I think Liara has a lot in the balance right now.

[Mox Ruuga]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Just as an aside, and I warn you that pessimism prevails in this post, but:

All those saying "it's okay because Liara will have an important role in ME3" are way too hopeful imo.

Lest you forget, Casey specifically said that the ME1 LI's played an important role in ME2. Well, they don't. Especially Liara.

Expecting something satisfactory from ME3 is wishful thinking at best imo, since BioWare has shown with ME2 that carry-over decisions are about as important as 2 paragraphs in an impersonal email or a one-time meaningless conversation in a random spaceport.

What was it that Ash said in ME1...? "A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist".

It would have been very easy to write less disappointing cameos for the ME1 LIs. Even if their intention was to portray a "difficult" period in the romance, they could have at least acknowledged something had happened between Shepard and Liara. Geez, at least allow them a lover's quarrel or something.

It is difficult to try and maintain a positive outlook on the future of the ME1 romance Shepard had with Liara, Kaidan, or Ash. Sure, they've said the reason they were kept out was because they had to be alive with 100% chance in ME3. For what, another set of hacking missions?

I don't know, perhaps they should have had the ME1 LI go down with the first Normandy. Perhaps they even planned for that at some point, but changed their minds and wrote these beyond half assed cameos instead. It would almost have been better if they made no appearances at all in ME2 instead of this... nothing, that we ended up getting. One of the "top 3 important choices", my foot.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

LMAO at people saying she;s "under watch" so can't talk to Shepard.



Let me get this straight.

She can sit in her office and say "I'M GOING TO KILL THE SHADOW BROKER!!", but she can't say, "I love you, Shepard. You mean a lot to me."





Did you guys think that through?

[jlb524]

KalosCast wrote...

As for her "destruction" (character development) if people bothered to pay attention to the game they were playing, they would have noticed the bit where Liara directly mentions suspecting being under surveillance and needing to keep up a persona and not revealing too much information.

I played the game.  I saw that part.  I understand it.  That still doesn't excuse lack of Shepard related Liara-romance dialog with Kelly or the other crew members.

Modifié par jlb524, 04 février 2010 - 08:23 .

[Mox Ruuga]

She could have just joined the crew. No matter what she says.

Liara of ME1 always caught herself and recognized when her personal feelings were interfering with her judgment. Well, most of the times, on Ilos Shepard had to remind her. But she did snap out of it.

Is her "friend" now more important to her than Shepard, the fate of all intelligent life in the Galaxy, the fate of the Protheans, helping humanity against the Collectors, etc.? The scum sucking desert lizard must have been SOME friend...

[izmirtheastarach]

Liara has at least 5 times as much dialogue as Kaidan and Ashley did. She also has a couple of short side-missions. I felt much better served for romancing her then I would have if I had romanced Ashley.



The way I hear people describe their encounters with Liara makes me feel like I am playing a different game then they are. Either they did not explore all Liara's dialogue options, or I don't know what their deal is.



Liara says way more about how she feels about you then either of the other two do. What am I missing here?

[jlb524]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Liara has at least 5 times as much dialogue as Kaidan and Ashley did. She also has a couple of short side-missions. I felt much better served for romancing her then I would have if I had romanced Ashley.

The way I hear people describe their encounters with Liara makes me feel like I am playing a different game then they are. Either they did not explore all Liara's dialogue options, or I don't know what their deal is.

Liara says way more about how she feels about you then either of the other two do. What am I missing here?

The problem is:  the game is 99.999% the same whether you romanced Liara or not.  The only difference:  you get a kiss instead of a hug.  It just all feels...cheap and hackneyed.

[izmirtheastarach]

jlb524 wrote...

The problem is:  the game is 99.999% the same whether you romanced Liara or not.  The only difference:  you get a kiss instead of a hug.  It just all feels...cheap and hackneyed.

Okay. I have read this a couple of time. Can someone explain to me how that alters my game experience? I would not know that if I hadn't read it on these forums. Is the dialogue made less meaningfull because other people who didn't romance Liara also hear it? What does that have to do with my gaming experience?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jlb524 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Liara has at least 5 times as much dialogue as Kaidan and Ashley did. She also has a couple of short side-missions. I felt much better served for romancing her then I would have if I had romanced Ashley.

The way I hear people describe their encounters with Liara makes me feel like I am playing a different game then they are. Either they did not explore all Liara's dialogue options, or I don't know what their deal is.

Liara says way more about how she feels about you then either of the other two do. What am I missing here?

The problem is:  the game is 99.999% the same whether you romanced Liara or not.  The only difference:  you get a kiss instead of a hug.  It just all feels...cheap and hackneyed.

This.
Liara may have "more dialogue" than Kaidan and Ashley, but it's not romantic dialogue. There is no way to acknowledge my character's relationship with Liara. It's exactly the same whether I romanced her or not (except for getting an awkward kiss instead of a warm hug).

I'd rather have an email from Liara saying how she felt about me than hearing her speak of nothing but her vendetta and leaving my Shepard wondering about their relationship.

[nicodeemus327]

It would be kinda interesting to have a romance with a non-squad member.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Is the dialogue made less meaningfull because other people who didn't romance Liara also hear it? What does that have to do with my gaming experience?

Yes, it is less meaningful because the only "meaning" involved comes from the player's assumptions. If she says "I couldn't let you go" to someone who didn't romance her, then all of a sudden that same dialogue doesn't have meaning for someone who did romance her because obviously her "not being able to let you go" has nothing to do with the romance.

[WilliamShatner]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Liara has at least 5 times as much dialogue as Kaidan and Ashley did. She also has a couple of short side-missions. I felt much better served for romancing her then I would have if I had romanced Ashley.

The way I hear people describe their encounters with Liara makes me feel like I am playing a different game then they are. Either they did not explore all Liara's dialogue options, or I don't know what their deal is.

Liara says way more about how she feels about you then either of the other two do. What am I missing here?

At least they didn't destroy Kaidan's or Ashley's characters in that time.