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[Cajeb]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Didn't like liara in ME2, felt she was better in ME1.

HOLLA!

[Nayt Navare]

Agreed ^^^^^^^

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Didn't like liara in ME2, felt she was better in ME1.

This needs to be said more often, anyone that agrees should feel free to post it here.

Trying to keep this thread bumped?  I'll help

I simply approve of the idea of giving Liara fans a forum to express their concerns with the direction her character has been driven to in ME2.

Honestly they should just make a sticky for each character so we people can stick to one thread and then not have to try and skim through multiple pages to find the right topic or create multiples of the same thread.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Didn't like liara in ME2, felt she was better in ME1.

This needs to be said more often, anyone that agrees should feel free to post it here.

Trying to keep this thread bumped?  I'll help

I simply approve of the idea of giving Liara fans a forum to express their concerns with the direction her character has been driven to in ME2.

Honestly they should just make a sticky for each character so we people can stick to one thread and then not have to try and skim through multiple pages to find the right topic or create multiples of the same thread.

Yeah we got like three giant Liara threads all going at the same time.  We need to organize better like the Tali fans!

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Didn't like liara in ME2, felt she was better in ME1.

This needs to be said more often, anyone that agrees should feel free to post it here.

Trying to keep this thread bumped?  I'll help

I simply approve of the idea of giving Liara fans a forum to express their concerns with the direction her character has been driven to in ME2.

Honestly they should just make a sticky for each character so we people can stick to one thread and then not have to try and skim through multiple pages to find the right topic or create multiples of the same thread.

Yeah we got like three giant Liara threads all going at the same time.  We need to organize better like the Tali fans!

I think even the Tali fans have multiple threads.  need 1 I like and 1 I dislike for each char, go go make it happen BioWare.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...

I think even the Tali fans have multiple threads.  need 1 I like and 1 I dislike for each char, go go make it happen BioWare.

No need for the dislike threads, just don't support the like threads.

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I think even the Tali fans have multiple threads.  need 1 I like and 1 I dislike for each char, go go make it happen BioWare.

No need for the dislike threads, just don't support the like threads.

True, but to be fair, people need a place to voice their opinion.

[Stakis]

im joining my voice here, it was realy bad, it was like talking to some random stranger, besides looking at the comics she realy cared about shepard, that plus being my LI in ME1 should have been treated in another way when they met, an option to hang out with her, emails, etc, unless that drell in the comics is somehow mixing her feelings...

[Stakis]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Stakis wrote...

unless that drell in the comics is somehow mixing her feelings...

That's already been discussed, and the answer is pretty much NO!

im relieved then , anyway the whole thing made me cheat on her, altough i have to say i was very surprised with miranda, kick ass party member and an interesting story behind the " package ", but im already working on my second ( loyal to liara ) playtrough, hoping bioware comes to their senses regarding her.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] .

[Nozybidaj]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Stakis wrote...
 hoping bioware comes to their senses regarding her.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] .

Of course, that's why we're all eagerly awaiting the (rumoured) Liara DLC.

Hopefully in that Shep will actually say something to reaffirm his/her feelings for Liara, dammit! "It's good to see you too, Liara." FFS, what is that?!

The optimistic side of me is almost inclined to believe the whole scene is simply bugged and theLI dialog never shows, like Conrad always thinking you were renegade even if you weren't.

The realist side of me thinks BW was just trying to make people hate her and move on to their Yvonne blow up doll. :innocent:

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 09 février 2010 - 02:46 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Although I am not sure if this going to work, I have 2 playthroughs in which Shepard is acting differently on Illium. In one Shepard plays along with Liara and does her "mission". The second one has refused to help her, although you still get the mission (why BW?). That one would like to break up with her. It is really odd that I can walk into her office any time of the day and not break up. Hehe.



Maybe the second one triggers a different response, prevents further development of the relation or creates some other fireworks in a possible forthcoming Liara DLC or in ME3. If your actions truly have impact then something must be different. I hope.

[Jeremy Winston]

She says that if you don't do the mission, she'll eliminate all five of the suspects. Of course, that means she ends up missing the Observer, so it may be the Observer that causes the problem, not the fact that you did or didn't do the mission.



You may not be able to get the story about how she saved your body, though.

[Annarl]

Liara is too different. Even her voice seemed... strange. I get time has past and she's been through a lot but the whole exchange didn't feel right. Well at least to me it didn't, I guess we have to wait to see what happens.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

She says that if you don't do the mission, she'll eliminate all five of the suspects. Of course, that means she ends up missing the Observer, so it may be the Observer that causes the problem, not the fact that you did or didn't do the mission.

You may not be able to get the story about how she saved your body, though.

I am not interested in what she does or doesn't do if I break up. That's emotional black mail. Hehe.

[Jeremy Winston]

Actually.. that byplay initially made me want to break up.. but then I got stubborn. It seemed so much like a setup.

[DigitalMaster37]

It's funny, you would think we would have to be making some serious noise in order to get the hate we are getting. This LI hate stuff is getting rather stupid and boring IMO.



Anyway back to my babe, I also think this whole ME2 Liara situation is a good setup. I just can't wait to see what the cheaters are gonna say when they find out she never changed in ME3. I hope BioWare gives them a bad finally and gives us faithful ones the greatest finale ever. no offense to the cheaters, but there should be a reward for the faithful.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Deltaboy37-1... Stop messing this thread up with your "hate argument" nonsense. Are you really that narrow minded? This is an RPG remember? Thus you play a role. Breaking up a relation is not that odd or uncommon.



I am not hating Liara. Most of my Shepards adored her.



One of my Shepards doesn't like her actions: The fact that she fiddled with my body without my consent triggered that Shepard does not trust her. In ME2 it is a given what she has done and it is the reason that you are there. But selling me to Cerberus doesn't make that Shepard trust her.



The other one has pink glasses and will adore her whatever she does.

[Daeion]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Stakis wrote...

unless that drell in the comics is somehow mixing her feelings...

That's already been discussed, and the answer is pretty much NO!

There's two volumes left to go, you never know what could happen.

[Mox Ruuga]

Ah, here is the quote I was looking for, from a chat before the release of ME2.

First, the question:

WhisperPiano: By now, we are aware that most of the characters from the first game have been given greatly reduced roles, including the three potential love interests. While the new crew is intriguing, many of us are irked by what appears to be a disregard for the personal subplots through which each of our Shepards' stories were individualized. My question is: wil those of us who choose to have our Shepards remain faithful to one of the original romance options be able to come away as satisfied with the roma...

Then Casey Hudson's spin:

CaseyH-ME2: WhisperPiano - this is an interesting question that we see a lot. Here's our take...


CaseyH-ME2: While Mass Effect fans have grown to love our characters, you can imagine that after spending years crafting them, we have at least as much of an attachment to them. So it's definitely not a case of the team disregarding player's decisions with them or interest in those characters - in fact, it's the opposite...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.


CaseyH-ME2: Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters, you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

CaseyH-ME2: Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts. Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.

CaseyH-ME2: The real challenge is that many people will be unfaithful to their ME1 love interest because the ones in ME2 are really compelling.

Two questions/points about his answer (the bolded text):

1) Where the hell were those important parts? Was it the email from Ash, or the hacking missions from Liara? Or does he mean something hypothetical that will possibly happen in ME3?

2) Telling a love story in three acts, eh? Why was there nothing in the second act then? Seems to me calling a barely there cameo in the second act as part of a "three act love story" is being rather generous. Especially since there was barely anything in the game even indicating something had happened between Liara and Shepard. A lukewarm kiss and a picture frame on a desk.

Yes, he repeats the "we are saving them for ME3" spiel, but I don't trust him.

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Stakis wrote...
 hoping bioware comes to their senses regarding her.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie] .

Of course, that's why we're all eagerly awaiting the (rumoured) Liara DLC.

Hopefully in that Shep will actually say something to reaffirm his/her feelings for Liara, dammit! "It's good to see you too, Liara." FFS, what is that?!

The optimistic side of me is almost inclined to believe the whole scene is simply bugged and theLI dialog never shows, like Conrad always thinking you were renegade even if you weren't.

The realist side of me thinks BW was just trying to make people hate her and move on to their Yvonne blow up doll. :innocent:

The realistic side of me thinks BW forgot about her until the last minute and the replaced a random NPC with her but didn't have time to fully develop possible dialogues.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

CaseyH-ME2: Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love
interest in the trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts. Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and you might guess where we're going with it.

2) Telling a love story in three acts, eh? Why was there nothing in the second act then? Seems to me calling a barely there cameo in the second act as part of a "three act love story" is being rather generous. Especially since there was barely anything in the game even indicating something had happened between Liara and Shepard. A lukewarm kiss and a picture frame on a desk.

That's my main gripe.  The ME1 LI's are all missing their second acts.  Unless BW is planning to come out with huge amounts of DLC pretty much focused on these characters their role will be, at best, a 2 part series and at worst forgotten about after the first chapter.

An even larger concern now is his "you might guess where we're going with it" after seeing Liara in ME2.  I really am trying to hold on to hope that they haven't done anything distasteful with Liara that is going to ruin the character for me.  Very concerned.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 09 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[Daeion]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

It's funny, you would think we would have to be making some serious noise in order to get the hate we are getting. This LI hate stuff is getting rather stupid and boring IMO.

Anyway back to my babe, I also think this whole ME2 Liara situation is a good setup. I just can't wait to see what the cheaters are gonna say when they find out she never changed in ME3. I hope BioWare gives them a bad finally and gives us faithful ones the greatest finale ever. no offense to the cheaters, but there should be a reward for the faithful.

We'll we've already been told the faithful will be rewarded, but who wants to wait 2 years to resolve what appears to be a poorly implimented LI plot?