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[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

General Stubbs wrote...

I thought Casey looked a little to happy when he talked about cheating on our ME1 LI. (Why did you forget about Liara?!?).
I think BioWare put a bit to much time into that aspect of the romances...
Maybe this will turn out to be a good thing. Maybe we will get to experience the romance with Liara even longer because BioWare will want to make it up in the Liara DLC.
Hopefully, the Liara DLC will actually be a full expansion that is 15+ hours and we will get to see the Liara we all know and love once again. (the more Liara the better!!)

I don't have words to express how much I support this.

Ditto!

[Mox Ruuga]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Hehe, I was thinking the same thing but decided not to bother.

Every post, no matter how worthless, can be used to advance the "Justice for Liara" agenda.

[Jeremy Winston]

Nozybidaj wrote...
Well they said it would have consequences.  Of course they said that about a lot of things, but if they intend to follow through on this one it would be a perfect way to do it.

Then those that stayed faithful need something big to reward them.

The simplest would be that an ME1 LI you were unfaithful to won't be playable in ME3.  That's probably the strongest and simplest thing they can do.  That would require, though, that the ME1 characters didn't play pivotable roles or that the roles were malleable enough to switch them around.

[bjdbwea]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

Here are my thoughts about this issue AND all the other ME1 Love Intrest threads I've seen here:

1. Whatever BioWare's intention with any character, it has to be properly explained in-game. Liara or anyone else, drastic changes need proper dialogue.

2. If BioWare wants Shepard to be "their" character only, they can just keep it, and I keep my money. I don't mean that in regard to Liara only, but to everything else as well. There are enough scenes already (more than in ME 1) where I can't say or do things that I wanted. As soon as it becomes simply unrealistic, like in the Liara scene, the fun is quickly gone.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 09 février 2010 - 06:37 .

[Nozybidaj]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Well they said it would have consequences.  Of course they said that about a lot of things, but if they intend to follow through on this one it would be a perfect way to do it.

Then those that stayed faithful need something big to reward them.

The simplest would be that an ME1 LI you were unfaithful to won't be playable in ME3.  That's probably the strongest and simplest thing they can do.  That would require, though, that the ME1 characters didn't play pivotable roles or that the roles were malleable enough to switch them around.

I think they should still be squad mates, only thing is every time you try and talk to them they are all "What do you want Shepard? :pinched:" and none of the LI dialogues ever open up.

[Giogiogio4]

AFter he died she moved on guys. why you think shes so hell bent on getting revenge for her um "friend". SHe fell for another dude he died and she ploted revenge. she got tired of everyman she falls for dieing and decided to do something. Of well lol i got Tali now so shove it lol

[Nozybidaj]

bjdbwea wrote...

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

Here are my thoughts about this issue AND all the other ME1 Love Intrest threads I've seen here:

1. Whatever BioWare's intention with any character, it has to be properly explained in-game. Liara or anyone else, drastic changes need proper dialogue.

2. If BioWare wants Shepard to be "their" character only, they can just keep it, and I keep my money. I don't mean that in regard to Liara only, but to everything else as well. There are enough scenes already (more than in ME 1) where I can't say or do things that I wanted. As soon as it becomes simply unrealistic, like in the Liara scene, the fun is quickly gone.

This.  If our choices are not supposed to have any kind of impact then why give them to us at all? 

And it is true, BW is more than free to do whatever the heck they want with a character.  I am also free to never buy any more of their products if it comes to that.  A freedom I will certainly exercise should Liara turn out to no longer be a likable character for me or if the do something distasteful with her like having her hook up with Feron.

I feel somewhat obliged to come here and voice my concerns over the character because I still feel that BW can and probably wants to make things right in regards to ME2 and its handling of the ME1 LI's.  Once I feel they no longer want to do that I'll simply leave, no harm done.

[Jeremy Winston]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I think they should still be squad
mates, only thing is every time you try and talk to them they are all
"What do you want Shepard? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]" and none of the LI dialogues ever open up.

How is that different than never being their LI in the first place?

Modifié par Jeremy Winston, 09 février 2010 - 06:44 .

[Daeion]

Justin2k wrote...

Truth is Liara just isn't as popular as other squad members/romance options.

Tali has several threads and groups spanning thousands of posts. Ashley has a dedicated group with hundreds of posts and Miranda has a fair bit. Even Kaiden.

Liara just isn't all that popular (although to her fans i understand she is the best :-) )

Personally I don't really like the Asari in general.

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
Well they said it would have consequences.  Of course they said that about a lot of things, but if they intend to follow through on this one it would be a perfect way to do it.

Then those that stayed faithful need something big to reward them.

The simplest would be that an ME1 LI you were unfaithful to won't be playable in ME3.  That's probably the strongest and simplest thing they can do.  That would require, though, that the ME1 characters didn't play pivotable roles or that the roles were malleable enough to switch them around.

I think they should still be squad mates, only thing is every time you try and talk to them they are all "What do you want Shepard? :pinched:" and none of the LI dialogues ever open up.

Yeah, they aren't there for you any more, they are there for the galaxy and you can be damned.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

I wouldn't say they dropped the ball with Liara.



The problem with Liara is that in ME1, BioWare backed themselves into a corner. Her demeanor and especially her appearance broached something that was borderline taboo. In essence, she is very much an innocent child, or teenager type character. By instituting a LI with her, they took a step even GTA wasn't quite willing to do. At least as far as older generations are concerned.



I highly doubt that was BioWare's intention, but that doesn't change the fact that they've received a ton of flak over it. And justifyably so.



Their rapid reversal of her character in ME2 clearly illustrates that they want to distance Liara's character from the situation that she mistakenly represents.

[Nozybidaj]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I think they should still be squad
mates, only thing is every time you try and talk to them they are all
"What do you want Shepard? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]" and none of the LI dialogues ever open up.

How is that different than never being their LI in the first place?

If you were "never" their LI in ME1 or ME2 I would think their dialogues would still be open to you.  You would just get a happy ending instead of the mega happy ending.   Cheating on them though should have consequences.

[Daeion]

Giogiogio4 wrote...

AFter he died she moved on guys. why you think shes so hell bent on getting revenge for her um "friend". SHe fell for another dude he died and she ploted revenge. she got tired of everyman she falls for dieing and decided to do something. Of well lol i got Tali now so shove it lol

Fighting tooth and nail for someone's body isn't exactly moving on, especially when you know someone is working to bring said person back.  Sure male sheps got the tali option now, but female sheps didn't get anything in return.

[Nozybidaj]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...
 In essence, she is very much an innocent child, or teenager type character.

I'm thinking you didn't really get the Liara character in ME1 at all. /shrug

[LordLucians]

Gabey5 wrote...

umm she moved on. aliens live for a thousand years. a one night fling ain't a thing. but to humans who live 100 tops...yeah it means more

From this alone it tells me you didn't really pay attention to the game at all, aside from all the pretty colors and actions scenes lol so don't try and leave comments about a game you clearly didn't fully explore or enjoy. These people go through alot of work to make a great game like this and they deserve the credit for that, and not to have someone that just ran through the game just trying to beat it XD

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Nozybidaj wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...
 In essence, she is very much an innocent child, or teenager type character.

I'm thinking you didn't really get the Liara character in ME1 at all. /shrug

Liara - "Males of other species have an unhealthy fixation for my species."

[Jeremy Winston]

And she also says that the Asari take their sexual relationships VERY seriously. She knows what she's doing. And she IS and adult, even if a young one, by Asari standards.



I put her at an inexperienced early 20's.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

And she also says that the Asari take their sexual relationships VERY seriously. She knows what she's doing. And she IS and adult, even if a young one, by Asari standards.

I put her at an inexperienced early 20's.

Oh I'm not arguing that.  But like the sex scene, way too many blew it out of proportion.  I'm just trying to shed some light as to why things were likely handled how they were.  It's common sense really.

[Nozybidaj]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

And she also says that the Asari take their sexual relationships VERY seriously. She knows what she's doing. And she IS and adult, even if a young one, by Asari standards.

I put her at an inexperienced early 20's.

She was intended to be socially akward yes, but she was never immature or childish.  Out of the whole ME1 crew she was probably the most mature and well adjusted person outta the bunch.

[aksoileau]

Ok redemption spoilers incoming. I don't think Liara is seeing someone else. If you read the comics, she is working with a drell named Feron. Only two issues are out, and I can tell it isn't a romance. She is very reckless around him because she is obsessed with recovering Shep's body because she feels that she didn't do enough to save him. Feron is probably going to be killed because of Liara's recklessness with recovering Shep's body.

[Sharn01]

aksoileau wrote...

Ok redemption spoilers incoming. I don't think Liara is seeing someone else. If you read the comics, she is working with a drell named Feron. Only two issues are out, and I can tell it isn't a romance. She is very reckless around him because she is obsessed with recovering Shep's body because she feels that she didn't do enough to save him. Feron is probably going to be killed because of Liara's recklessness with recovering Shep's body.

While something like this if it turns out to be true would help, it was still very bad writing for Liara in ME2.

We can blame it on them trying to force the ME2 love interest's down our throat's.

We can blame it on them trying to make an extra buck off the comic's and not give away the story in ME2.

We can blame it on a lot of things, but no matter what the reason, they are responsible for a shoddy representation of the character's, and its not just Liara, you can argue all day long that there are reason's behind the scenes that Liara has for acting the way she does, there is absolutely no reason at all for Shep to sit there calmly and say, see you later Liara.  You can not ask questions and nothing is acknowledged, it was just horrible writing.

[Driveninhifi]

I like the idea of where they are taking Liara, I think it's got a ton of potential. Unfortunately it really doesn't make sense with the way it's presented in game.

It's tough, because there are really multiple Liaras possible in ME2. The Liara that was Shep's lover in ME1 is not the same as the Liara that was not. A renegade Shep would have a different influence on her than a paragon Shep.

Liara, as presented, makes the most sense for a renegade Shep that didn't romance her. There are two many missing pieces otherwise.

First off, revenge alone does not seem to be a good motivator for her character. She really needs something else to keep her going. I would think that the hope Shep could come back to life would really be a big part of it in certain cases (especially if she loves Shep).

I don't buy the anger - I can see her being very guilty, very lonely, paranoid, etc. But if she's angry it has to be at herself more than anything. This can manifest as anger at the Shadow Broker, but she's self-aware enough to realize this, I think.



A major issue I have is that Shep's return ruins a lot of her motivation. I absolutely love the idea she is terrified of Shep hating her. But you also have to figure she's been anticipating and hoping for Shep's return for two years.

There needs to be a whole lot of doubt in her character, especially if Shep does not hate her for what she did. She still clearly really cares and should really want to reunite with her love. It's really inconceivable the relationship would not come up after she tells Shep "I couldn't let you go" - that's just poor writing. It really feels like the writers want the players to go to the new love interests, but it's extremely, extremely clumsy. It doesn't feel natural at all for her to let Shep go after 2 years without saying "Come back alive" at the very least.



They really missed their chance for some awesome development here and it's a shame. Hopefully they explore it in DLC.

[Driveninhifi]

Also, regarding Liara moving on to someone else:

If she is not Shep'd love in ME1, then it makes sense. If she _was_ Shep's love in the first game this makes absolutely no sense.

She almost literally says Shep is the love of her life, that she's never felt anything close to what she feels, etc. She goes through so much consternation just to admit her feelings.

She knows Shep might come back and she's extremely loyal - it really doesn't make sense for her to hook up with someone else, especially not so soon after Shep's death. 2 years is not long for asari....



Also, 2 comics in and there's no indication she has any feelings for Feron at all (who I assume must be the friend). If it's tacked on in the last two issues that would be extraordinarily poor writing. Like, groan-inducingly bad.

It's way more likely he gets killed because of her search or he sacrifices himself so she and Shep can escape.

[Samurro]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

I wouldn't say they dropped the ball with Liara.

The problem with Liara is that in ME1, BioWare backed themselves into a corner. Her demeanor and especially her appearance broached something that was borderline taboo. In essence, she is very much an innocent child, or teenager type character. By instituting a LI with her, they took a step even GTA wasn't quite willing to do. At least as far as older generations are concerned.

I highly doubt that was BioWare's intention, but that doesn't change the fact that they've received a ton of flak over it. And justifyably so.

Their rapid reversal of her character in ME2 clearly illustrates that they want to distance Liara's character from the situation that she mistakenly represents.

ROFL

you are nutts for sure!

[Daeion]

aksoileau wrote...

Ok redemption spoilers incoming. I don't think Liara is seeing someone else. If you read the comics, she is working with a drell named Feron. Only two issues are out, and I can tell it isn't a romance. She is very reckless around him because she is obsessed with recovering Shep's body because she feels that she didn't do enough to save him. Feron is probably going to be killed because of Liara's recklessness with recovering Shep's body.

I'm assuming feron is the "friend" that liara mentions, at this point the only thing we know is in store for him is the get captured by the shadow broker but she admits that she doesn't know if he is alive or dead.