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[bjdbwea]

If the developers wanted to bring the missing content via DLC, they should've said so immediately. Of course they wouldn't want to, lest people withhold their purchase. But was the loss in trust worth it?

[Jedi0309]

Faust1979 wrote...

 I feel that since you had been dead for two years she had to try and move on. I don't see anything wrong with how it was handled. 

This would make sense if Liara wasn't your ME1 romance, but very little to none if she was.  During the conversation with her on Illium, you find out that Liara stole Shep's body from the Shadow Broker  to give to Cerberus so they could bring him/her back to life.  Asari live for about 1000+ years, so 2 years for Liara would be like maybe a few months?  Why would she go through the trouble of helping Cerberus in bringing her lover back to life, just to move after such a short time?

I think the devs were either lazy, pressed for time, or simply forgot to add a separate string of conversation for people who romanced Liara.  At least, that's what it feels like.  And I agree with everyone here, that Kiss was very awkward.

[WilliamShatner]

The hug you get from when you play as a non-romanced character is better than the kiss, for Leonard's sake.

[Mox Ruuga]

Jedi0309 wrote...

This would make sense if Liara wasn't your ME1 romance, but very little to none if she was.  During the conversation with her on Illium, you find out that Liara stole Shep's body from the Shadow Broker  to give to Cerberus so they could bring him/her back to life.  Asari live for about 1000+ years, so 2 years for Liara would be like maybe a few months?  Why would she go through the trouble of helping Cerberus in bringing her lover back to life, just to move after such a short time?

I think the devs were either lazy, pressed for time, or simply forgot to add a separate string of conversation for people who romanced Liara.  At least, that's what it feels like.  And I agree with everyone here, that Kiss was very awkward.

There's also the very likely possibility that they intentionally intended to turn people off on her, by sweeping every reference to the romance under the rug, except for the picture and the awkward kiss. And making Shepard and Liara both act cold and nonchalant towards each other.

I don't think they were careless or lazy. Pressed for time, perhaps. But I don't buy that, they could have made the same minimal contribution towards acknowledging the romance as they did with Kaidan and Ash.

Unless the possible Liara DLC is heavy on character material, and not just some random "kill me some Blue Suns" task she assigns, I'm pretty sure the wrecking of the romance was done deliberately.

Now the wrecking of the character, that is possibly a huge miscalculation on Bioware's part. Maybe they thought people would find a "darker" and "edgier" Liara kewl? If so, it doesn't seem to have worked. For the most, it seems to have backfired, causing the character to be disliked.

[AndroLeonidas]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...

This would make sense if Liara wasn't your ME1 romance, but very little to none if she was.  During the conversation with her on Illium, you find out that Liara stole Shep's body from the Shadow Broker  to give to Cerberus so they could bring him/her back to life.  Asari live for about 1000+ years, so 2 years for Liara would be like maybe a few months?  Why would she go through the trouble of helping Cerberus in bringing her lover back to life, just to move after such a short time?

I think the devs were either lazy, pressed for time, or simply forgot to add a separate string of conversation for people who romanced Liara.  At least, that's what it feels like.  And I agree with everyone here, that Kiss was very awkward.

There's also the very likely possibility that they intentionally intended to turn people off on her, by sweeping every reference to the romance under the rug, except for the picture and the awkward kiss. And making Shepard and Liara both act cold and nonchalant towards each other.

I don't think they were careless or lazy. Pressed for time, perhaps. But I don't buy that, they could have made the same minimal contribution towards acknowledging the romance as they did with Kaidan and Ash.

Unless the possible Liara DLC is heavy on character material, and not just some random "kill me some Blue Suns" task she assigns, I'm pretty sure the wrecking of the romance was done deliberately.

Now the wrecking of the character, that is possibly a huge miscalculation on Bioware's part. Maybe they thought people would find a "darker" and "edgier" Liara kewl? If so, it doesn't seem to have worked. For the most, it seems to have backfired, causing the character to be disliked.

THIS!!!

I loved romancing her in ME1. Never went with Ashley. After my first playthrough of staying loyal hoping something would happen to acknowledge our romance, and NOTHING... on each subsequent playthrough since I have romanced Miranda. Her backstory is compelling and she really opens up to you at the end.

Bioware made it far too easy and unrealistic to cheat on Liara if she was your ME1 love interest. Which I believe was intentional to some extent. Bad call on their part as they are finding out.

[Sharn01]

I did not cheat and never will, still seeing that smug interview oh, our new LI are so compelling, (we also railroaded the ME1 LI) so I will be surprised if people do not cheat.



I unfortunately may get a romance achievement as my wife is curious about Garrus and wants to see the romance out of curiousity, because he is cool and I agree he is, still debating it with her though because its a principle thing.

[WilliamShatner]

Sharn01 wrote...

I did not cheat and never will, still seeing that smug interview oh, our new LI are so compelling, (we also railroaded the ME1 LI) so I will be surprised if people do not cheat.

I unfortunately may get a romance achievement as my wife is curious about Garrus and wants to see the romance out of curiousity, because he is cool and I agree he is, still debating it with her though because its a principle thing.

Jebus man create her her own profile.

[Jedi0309]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...

This would make sense if Liara wasn't your ME1 romance, but very little to none if she was.  During the conversation with her on Illium, you find out that Liara stole Shep's body from the Shadow Broker  to give to Cerberus so they could bring him/her back to life.  Asari live for about 1000+ years, so 2 years for Liara would be like maybe a few months?  Why would she go through the trouble of helping Cerberus in bringing her lover back to life, just to move after such a short time?

I think the devs were either lazy, pressed for time, or simply forgot to add a separate string of conversation for people who romanced Liara.  At least, that's what it feels like.  And I agree with everyone here, that Kiss was very awkward.

There's also the very likely possibility that they intentionally intended to turn people off on her, by sweeping every reference to the romance under the rug, except for the picture and the awkward kiss. And making Shepard and Liara both act cold and nonchalant towards each other.

Still, it doesn't make much sense with her stealing your body to bring to Cerberus.  Why would you bring a loved one back to life, just to give them the cold shoulder?

[AndroLeonidas]

Jedi0309 wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...

This would make sense if Liara wasn't your ME1 romance, but very little to none if she was.  During the conversation with her on Illium, you find out that Liara stole Shep's body from the Shadow Broker  to give to Cerberus so they could bring him/her back to life.  Asari live for about 1000+ years, so 2 years for Liara would be like maybe a few months?  Why would she go through the trouble of helping Cerberus in bringing her lover back to life, just to move after such a short time?

I think the devs were either lazy, pressed for time, or simply forgot to add a separate string of conversation for people who romanced Liara.  At least, that's what it feels like.  And I agree with everyone here, that Kiss was very awkward.

There's also the very likely possibility that they intentionally intended to turn people off on her, by sweeping every reference to the romance under the rug, except for the picture and the awkward kiss. And making Shepard and Liara both act cold and nonchalant towards each other.

Still, it doesn't make much sense with her stealing your body to bring to Cerberus.  Why would you bring a loved one back to life, just to give them the cold shoulder?

No it doesn't make any sense! Not in the least! Unless her "friend" and she developed a relationship after she gave you to Cerberus. That would explain a lot of her feelings... or lack thereof. And it would also seriously just ****** me right off.

[jienoma]

jbauck wrote...

But it's not outrageous - it takes a lot of time, effort, and awesomeness to build up good will and trust with an audience, and as an admitted BioWare fan-girl (BioWare has made ALL of my favorite games), they have that from me.  At the same time, it only takes a few mistakes, if they're big enough, to destroy all of that hard work and effort, and if people feel the Liara-handling was that bad, that's just not outrageous.  Perfectly valid opinion.  I can totally understand being uninterested in ME3 as an RPG fan with ME2 as the latest example of the promised "your decisions actually affect things!"

With ME being an RPG/Shooter mix, it's going to attract RPG fans and Shooter fans, who just aren't looking for the same things in a game.  I tend to find shooters boring and repetitive, and I'm a huge RPG fan, and no one does RPGs better than BioWare - which is why ME2 is kind of a let-down.  ME2 is the superior shooter, but ME1 is the superior RPG.  For me, the difference between a good RPG and a Great BioWare RPG is how much I care about the supporting cast, and that's really where ME1 does a fantastic job.  I really liked those characters.  The characters in ME2 are also really good - which is why I do think ME2 is replayable - but the carryover of LIs from ME1 to ME2 (a big selling point for the RPG-focused fan) is tragically, painfully, horribly bad.

Yes, I totally get and buy into the idea that they wanted to make sure the ME1 LI survived and makes it to ME3.  I totally get that, in order to do that, they all had to have reasons to not join up with Shep on the Suicide Mission.  I even get that, two years passing, these characters will have changed.

But ... ummm ... seriously?  For Kaidan/Ashley you get "Sorry Shepard, but I hate/distrust Cerberus more than I love/trust you.  Despite the fact that you're a freakin' hero and saved the Galaxy from the Reapers and the Council don't even believe the Reapers exist, and you've been dead for two years and it couldn't possibly be your fault that Cerberus is the organization that brought you back ... I just can't find it in my heart to give you the benefit of the doubt."

For Liara, you get "Sorry Shepard, but terrible bloody vengeance doesn't wreak itself.  Go save the universe without me: I have stuff to do."

My "willing suspension of disbelief" is just not that willing, no matter how much of a BioWare fan-girl I am.  Or maybe it's BECAUSE I'm such a BioWare fan-girl: I expect better from them.  I find these reasonings jarring, problematic, and kind of lame.  And, yes, I felt the Liara port was particularly bad: as the 2nd act of a 3-act romance, at least Kaidan/Ashely had a fight with Shep ... and the fact that a romance existed could be discussed ... but there's no fight with Liara.  There's no break-up, or let-down, or ... well, 2nd-act-of-a-3-act-romance troubles, unless you count "absolutely nothing happens" as a 2nd-act-of-a-3-act-romance.

Which is why ME2 really REALLY begs for a Liara-DLC.  Not only is the big sucking void where some kind of relationship development should be desperately in need of a remedy, but Liara really is the only character from ME1 with a real and true ME2 through-arc besides Garrus and Tali who get to be squad members (seeing as how Liara's actions in the comic books make ME2 possible, she's far more of a significant character in the overall story than Kaidan/Ashley are).  My best hope here is that the Liara stuff in ME2 is THAT lame because it's going to be fixed with a Liara DLC that can only reasonably come out after the comic book.

Otherwise, I'll regard ME3 as a shooter with an interesting overall galaxy-saving story and some "meh" RPG aspects, that I can totally wait for until I find it in the discount bin.  And, really, if that was what interested me, I'd just finally break down and play Halo - all three installments are already out.  No waiting.

I can't do anithing but quote the entire post and agree with everything said: Liara has been left in the void, if it were a book i would have thrown it out of the window.

The strange thing is that Bioware has some really good writers, David Gaider for example has made an incredible work, and in the entire Dragon Age game, the holes in the plot are very few, if any is present, the story has been written in the most appealing and complex way, building something exceptional, in my opinion. Yet in ME2 they've treated the plot with a stunning shallowness, especially Liara, and that's unforgivable, i would have expected much more from Bioware.

P.S.
I agree with the last point too.

[Mox Ruuga]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

No it doesn't make any sense! Not in the least! Unless her "friend" and she developed a relationship after she gave you to Cerberus. That would explain a lot of her feelings... or lack thereof. And it would also seriously just ****** me right off.

Indeed, that's what's so asinine about this whole deal with Liara. She's so obsessed about saving you, and then gives you the cold shoulder. And Shepard can't even really get pissed off, or demand to know how she feels?

Where's the Renegade interrupt in the scene that makes Shepard jump up from the chair and bang his/her fist on the desk:

"Dammit Liara! What the hell are you playing at!? Talk to me, drop the bulls#!t, don't give me any fv(king brush off here! I'm very possibly going to my fv(king death here, on a hopeless mission against the Collectors, begging you to come with me and help me as I only know you can, and you're sending me on errands!? What the hell is wrong with you? The least you could do is to let me know if there's still "us" or not! I died, and came back to life, and my first thought was about you, wondering if you had escaped the destruction of the ship. Goddammit! And now you act like there never was anything between us! TALK TO ME! DROP THE FV(KING ACT! TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, OR BE HONEST AND TELL ME IT'S OVER!"

*sits down, calmer*

"Then I'll help you with your damn hacking. Just don't try to play me."

Some honest, human emotion. Was sorely missing from the scene, Liara wasn't the only character hit with the wrecking ball... I'm no writer (as can plainly be seen), but two cold fishes talking to each other about hacking  and the Shadow Broker wasn't a "second act" of a three act romance, by any definition of the word.

[bjdbwea]

You, sir, are a better writer than the BioWare developers who botched the Liara scene and much else. You know what I always admired about ME 1, it was that the developers so clearly and successfully borrowed from the wisdom of the movie industry: How to direct cutscenes, how to build and tell a story, how to make characters interesting but keep the believability, how to involve emotion. Even how to paint over and hide plot holes. There's way too little of that left in ME 2 after the (great) intro.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 11 février 2010 - 11:07 .

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Thaddeus Mynor wrote...

I like what they did with they ME1 Love Interests. Its been two years, relationships become estranged. To ask or expect that these people not grow and change in that time is ridiculous. Liara, like Garrus i'm sure, probably had something really big happen in that time span that shook and changed her personality & outlook. I liked how it was presented because it seemed a lot more adult and sadly real, and fit perfectly with the mood of the game. I'm sure that staying faithful will pay off in ME3, but in ME2 just because Shepard literally walks back into their life, doesn't mean they should stop their character development, just like that for him. (Its just something to think about.)

I'm fine with characters continuing to develop, as you said it's been two years for them, but it hasn't been two years for Shep, Shep at least should have more to say to their LI since to them it's only been a week or two since they last saw them.

I also fail to see how they developed at all.  Tali and Garrus did and I thought their character development was great and well done.  Wrex, if he survived I also thought was well done.  Those three are without question the best developed characters in ME now.

The LI's though had no growth at all.  Ash and Kaidan are basically cast aside and Liara had some of the worst and most unbelievable character development I've ever seen.

I didn't claim it was quality development.

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Gravity Bun wrote...

Liara was my romance in ME1 and yeah, it was disappointing in a way, I just figured that maybe as it's 2185 AD that relationships (especially between aliens) are more casual than some humans would like. It's weird how she didn't acknowledge a lot though, I had Garrus with me at the time - it would've been nice if she said "hi" to him or Tali.

Agreed, things like this make me think that they just threw Liara in at the last minute and didn't have time to finish the interaction and include comments from Garrus, Tali, or Liara if they are present.

Certainly possible it was last minute, the whole thing certainly feels rushed, like they are just trying to shove you back out the door immediately after seeing her again.  My last remaining hope is that they did it because they have plans for a huge and awesome expansion and didn't feel the need to expand on the scene more than they did.  I don't agree with that, but I can still hold on to a small amount of hope for Liara.

I also hope for said DLC but unless it come down from cerberus I'm not expecting it to affect ME3 bescause neither of the DLCs for ME affect ME2.

[Daeion]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

If they are having some 'awesome' DLC, I'd like to hope that it somehow involves all three ME1 LIs. I really don't want to see the threads if Liara gets all the love.

Agreed, Liara is my favorite LI from ME but I still also like Ash, Kaiden is just a punk but those who really like him should get something as well.

[Daeion]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Daeion wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Bioware did something similar with KOTOR and the Revan Bastila romance. They left it hanging... period.

They did?  I seem to recall it being tied up in the first game and then her just making an appearence in the 2nd at the end.

No... they didn't tie it up at the end unless how KOTOR ended was ok with you. Revan left her less than a year later and it is still hanging at the end of KOTOR2. That is not closure.

Well technically BioWare did tie it up, and then Obsidian came in and screwed it all up with KOTOR 2.  Sigh, WTB KOTOR 3, I want to play and experience those 300 years, not read about them in a Galactic codex in TOR.

[Daeion]

Nightwriter wrote...

Consider the times when Kelly comments. When you have recruited a new character, or when you’ve completed some mission that is a significant turning point in the story.
 
Horizon was a significant turning point in the story, but you didn’t recruit anyone there. So Kelly’s comments could focus on the mission and Kaidan/Ashley’s appearances.
 
But Illium, where you reunited with Liara, was muddled up by Samara’s and Thane’s recruitment. That took up the focus of her comments.
 
Maybe if Liara had played a central role in a story mission, it would’ve been different.

You'd still think Joker, Tali, or Garrus would have something to say.

[Daeion]

Sharn01 wrote...

I did not cheat and never will, still seeing that smug interview oh, our new LI are so compelling, (we also railroaded the ME1 LI) so I will be surprised if people do not cheat.

I unfortunately may get a romance achievement as my wife is curious about Garrus and wants to see the romance out of curiousity, because he is cool and I agree he is, still debating it with her though because its a principle thing.

I won't cheat either because I don't find the new LI's interesting enough to warrent it and I don't want to give BioWare the satisfaction.  I may however import a saved game that had no romance and then pick either Tali or Miranda.

[DigitalMaster37]

Daeion wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

If they are having some 'awesome' DLC, I'd like to hope that it somehow involves all three ME1 LIs. I really don't want to see the threads if Liara gets all the love.

Agreed, Liara is my favorite LI from ME but I still also like Ash, Kaiden is just a punk but those who really like him should get something as well.

Now I really don't care what the boards would look like as they can kiss the broad side of my posterior if they don't like it, but I wouldn't mind them exploring all of the ME1 LIs. Yet given the smallest amount of content in ME2 for Liara even compared to the other ME1 LIs, I don't think Liara only DLC will cause such a backlash.

[Jeremy Winston]

Liara had a ton more content than Ash/Kaiden. And, you can see her whenever you want (even if there is no dialog that's interesting).



They just didn't have any LI content.

[Daeion]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

If they are having some 'awesome' DLC, I'd like to hope that it somehow involves all three ME1 LIs. I really don't want to see the threads if Liara gets all the love.

Agreed, Liara is my favorite LI from ME but I still also like Ash, Kaiden is just a punk but those who really like him should get something as well.

Now I really don't care what the boards would look like as they can kiss the broad side of my posterior if they don't like it, but I wouldn't mind them exploring all of the ME1 LIs. Yet given the smallest amount of content in ME2 for Liara even compared to the other ME1 LIs, I don't think Liara only DLC will cause such a backlash.

Honestly I would say that Liara got more content then the other LI's but it was content that wasn't really made any better by her being there.  I mean for Ash/kaiden you get a little b**ch fest followed by a quick convo with Joker and Kelly.  Liara you actually get more direct dialogue as well as two missions, but the dialogue is poorly done and there's no convo with Kelly or Joker.

Modifié par Daeion, 11 février 2010 - 04:13 .

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...
There's also the very likely possibility that they intentionally intended to turn people off on her, by sweeping every reference to the romance under the rug, except for the picture and the awkward kiss. And making Shepard and Liara both act cold and nonchalant towards each other.


I don't think they were careless or lazy. Pressed for time,
perhaps. But I don't buy that, they could have made the same minimal
contribution towards acknowledging the romance as they did with Kaidan
and Ash.

Unless the possible Liara DLC is heavy on character
material, and not just some random "kill me some Blue Suns" task she
assigns, I'm pretty sure the wrecking of the romance was done
deliberately.

Now the wrecking of the character, that is
possibly a huge miscalculation on Bioware's part. Maybe they thought
people would find a "darker" and "edgier" Liara kewl? If so, it doesn't
seem to have worked. For the most, it seems to have backfired, causing
the character to be disliked.

This. 

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 11 février 2010 - 04:31 .

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

No it doesn't make any sense! Not in the least! Unless her "friend" and she developed a relationship after she gave you to Cerberus. That would explain a lot of her feelings... or lack thereof. And it would also seriously just ****** me right off.

Indeed, that's what's so asinine about this whole deal with Liara. She's so obsessed about saving you, and then gives you the cold shoulder. And Shepard can't even really get pissed off, or demand to know how she feels?

Where's the Renegade interrupt in the scene that makes Shepard jump up from the chair and bang his/her fist on the desk:

"Dammit Liara! What the hell are you playing at!? Talk to me, drop the bulls#!t, don't give me any fv(king brush off here! I'm very possibly going to my fv(king death here, on a hopeless mission against the Collectors, begging you to come with me and help me as I only know you can, and you're sending me on errands!? What the hell is wrong with you? The least you could do is to let me know if there's still "us" or not! I died, and came back to life, and my first thought was about you, wondering if you had escaped the destruction of the ship. Goddammit! And now you act like there never was anything between us! TALK TO ME! DROP THE FV(KING ACT! TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, OR BE HONEST AND TELL ME IT'S OVER!"

*sits down, calmer*

"Then I'll help you with your damn hacking. Just don't try to play me."

Some honest, human emotion. Was sorely missing from the scene, Liara wasn't the only character hit with the wrecking ball... I'm no writer (as can plainly be seen), but two cold fishes talking to each other about hacking  and the Shadow Broker wasn't a "second act" of a three act romance, by any definition of the word.

Heh, nice, you may not be a writer, but that was like a thousand times better than "See ya later Liara".

[Prioris]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Where's the Renegade interrupt in the scene that makes Shepard jump up from the chair and bang his/her fist on the desk:

"Dammit Liara! What the hell are you playing at!? Talk to me, drop the bulls#!t, don't give me any fv(king brush off here! I'm very possibly going to my fv(king death here, on a hopeless mission against the Collectors, begging you to come with me and help me as I only know you can, and you're sending me on errands!? What the hell is wrong with you? The least you could do is to let me know if there's still "us" or not! I died, and came back to life, and my first thought was about you, wondering if you had escaped the destruction of the ship. Goddammit! And now you act like there never was anything between us! TALK TO ME! DROP THE FV(KING ACT! TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, OR BE HONEST AND TELL ME IT'S OVER!"

*sits down, calmer*

"Then I'll help you with your damn hacking. Just don't try to play me."

Some honest, human emotion.

This, or the Paragon version, with Shep leaning over the desk and putting a hand over Liara's keyboard:

"Liara, will you stop and look at me for just one minute?  This is me you're talking to, remember?  I know how much you've been hurt over the years.  I know I'm responsible for some of that, and I'm sorry for what you went through.  But you're far from the only one... did you think it was any easier for me, staring at that photo on my desk every night and wondering if you'd survived, if you even knew I was alive? And then coming here, only to have you act like you'd never known me, going on about this friend and that lead and your grand plan for revenge, when I was standing right there in front of you and all I wanted to do was hold you and never let go?  I came back from the dead, and the one person I love more than anyone in the universe wouldn't even give me the time of day?  Honestly, I think dying hurt less.  ...I don't know, maybe you've moved on, maybe there isn't any 'us' anymore, and if that's the case I can accept that.  I don't like it, but I'll accept it.  But please, Liara, you have to talk to me.  No matter what, whether it's the Shadow Broker or Cerberus or hell, the entire Reaper fleet, we can figure it out together.  Just please, don't shut me out this way."

[Nozybidaj]

Prioris wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Where's the Renegade interrupt in the scene that makes Shepard jump up from the chair and bang his/her fist on the desk:

"Dammit Liara! What the hell are you playing at!? Talk to me, drop the bulls#!t, don't give me any fv(king brush off here! I'm very possibly going to my fv(king death here, on a hopeless mission against the Collectors, begging you to come with me and help me as I only know you can, and you're sending me on errands!? What the hell is wrong with you? The least you could do is to let me know if there's still "us" or not! I died, and came back to life, and my first thought was about you, wondering if you had escaped the destruction of the ship. Goddammit! And now you act like there never was anything between us! TALK TO ME! DROP THE FV(KING ACT! TELL ME YOU STILL LOVE ME, OR BE HONEST AND TELL ME IT'S OVER!"

*sits down, calmer*

"Then I'll help you with your damn hacking. Just don't try to play me."

Some honest, human emotion.

This, or the Paragon version, with Shep leaning over the desk and putting a hand over Liara's keyboard:

"Liara, will you stop and look at me for just one minute?  This is me you're talking to, remember?  I know how much you've been hurt over the years.  I know I'm responsible for some of that, and I'm sorry for what you went through.  But you're far from the only one... did you think it was any easier for me, staring at that photo on my desk every night and wondering if you'd survived, if you even knew I was alive? And then coming here, only to have you act like you'd never known me, going on about this friend and that lead and your grand plan for revenge, when I was standing right there in front of you and all I wanted to do was hold you and never let go?  I came back from the dead, and the one person I love more than anyone in the universe wouldn't even give me the time of day?  Honestly, I think dying hurt less.  ...I don't know, maybe you've moved on, maybe there isn't any 'us' anymore, and if that's the case I can accept that.  I don't like it, but I'll accept it.  But please, Liara, you have to talk to me.  No matter what, whether it's the Shadow Broker or Cerberus or hell, the entire Reaper fleet, we can figure it out together.  Just please, don't shut me out this way."

BW should be taking notes.  This is the way thing should have went down.  The way the Liara romance (and all the ME1 LI's really) was inexcusable and really came off as very amateurish.