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[maikanix]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Daeion wrote...

You're not going to enjoy finding out that Garrus is the SB.

If it gets my the real Shep and Liara back I'll put a bullet in Garrus' head.

Seconded.
I was just thinking.
If it comes down to it, I'd probably sacrifice the whole crew if it helped Liara.

Bioware better be doing something. Soon.
I'll repeat myself a hundred times, and keep these threads on top. Maybe they'll listen...
or maybe it's fine, and we're overreacting...

and I agree with that other poster above me. 99% of the complaints would have been alleviated with just a few extra lines of dialogue. It seems a ridiculous choice on their part. And insulting to Liara fans.

[Sharn01]

I lost a lot of respect for Bioware with how they handled the ME1 cast in ME2, with the exception of course of Garrus and Tali.

I do think they intentionally had them poorly done in an effort to encourage cheating. It let's them pat them selves on the back for doing a good job on the ME2 romances, and they probably have confidence in themselves to make the character's popular again in ME3, despite the large drop across the board in popularity for those character's.

I am actually some what afraid that they will punish people that did not cheat on their ME1 LI. Part of me think's they are just going to hit the reset button again and force us to start the romance over from scratch, finishing it in ME3 where it finished in ME1.

People who cheated will have all kinds of dialog to try and repair the broken relationship. People who stayed loyal will just miss a ton of dialog, get a pat on the back, and at the end of the day get the same results as those who cheated.

This is even assuming they dont do far worse, judging by their horribly written portrayal in ME2, this may actual be an optimistic view of what will happen with the ME1 romances.

I basicly feel like Bioware is betraying a large portion of its fan base.

Modifié par Sharn01, 12 février 2010 - 08:25 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Yeah, I think the whole rehash thing is likely, if there is going to be any sort of substantial amount of romance content for the ME1 LIs.

OTOH, I don't think the cheating decision will turn out to be any huge deal. Just a chance for you to break up or something. Or perhaps they will automatically break up with you?

In any case, the chance for an organic and natural feeling growth for the established relationship, whether from "strength to strength" or "through adversity", was in ME2. They scuttled the ME1 romances in ME2, so now that chance has passed forever.

Infuriatingly enough for us ME1 LI fans, the ME2 LIs may end up getting that natural evolution that continues in ME3 from where you left off in ME2, whereas our romances will feel like the rehashed talks from ME1. The same stuff again, only instead of their pasts pre ME1, we now talk about what they did during ME2.

[Sharn01]

There are a lot of rumor's on DLC I have been seeing lately also, I will not hold my breath though.



But even if they do release some romance content as DLC it will still be a slap in the face, as we will have had to wait longer then every one else for it, will have to pay extra to see the content, and most casual player's do not use DLC so wont see it at all.



At this point it would definately be a good thing, as anything is better then nothing, but it would mean they view our fanbase as second rate at best.

[WilliamShatner]

Based on what passes for "choices affecting the game" so far, at this moment I think what we'll get in ME3 is a non-essential 10 second shot at the end showing we ended up with our romance.

[Mox Ruuga]

Sharn01 wrote...

There are a lot of rumor's on DLC I have been seeing lately also, I will not hold my breath though.

But even if they do release some romance content as DLC it will still be a slap in the face, as we will have had to wait longer then every one else for it, will have to pay extra to see the content, and most casual player's do not use DLC so wont see it at all.

At this point it would definately be a good thing, as anything is better then nothing, but it would mean they view our fanbase as second rate at best.

The one thing that is slightly hopeful about the romance DLC, is that casual gamers / ME2 noobs won't have to be catered to. They can't start the ME1 romances in ME2, so Bioware could indulge us returning customers for once.

Of course, would they really make something that's only really attractive to the ones returning from ME1? Or would even a Liara / ME1 LI DLC need to cater to the new casual gamer audience?

[Sharn01]

I have no idea, but they do need to cater to the fans who have been supporting them for years, I have been a bioware fan since its inception, though I am slipping with ME2.



I do not need a shiny achievement that I can show off to other people online and say look how awesome I am, which seems to be a big question raised during interview's for some odd reason I do not comprehend. Just give us what they promised story wise.

[candyrehab]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Based on what passes for "choices affecting the game" so far, at this moment I think what we'll get in ME3 is a non-essential 10 second shot at the end showing we ended up with our romance.

In that case, I'll get ******, I adore Liara 

[Sharn01]

The more I think about it, I can not recall any Bioware game in the past where a romance ever progressed past the lets get it on stage in a first game to any thing more signifigant in a sequal, maybe some one else can remeber a game.



Maybe they just dont have the writing talent to progress a romance beyond the initial akward phase and the first night together.



Prove me wrong Bioware. This is not sarcasm, I want you to.

[Mox Ruuga]

Sharn01 wrote...

The more I think about it, I can not recall any Bioware game in the past where a romance ever progressed past the lets get it on stage in a first game to any thing more signifigant in a sequal, maybe some one else can remeber a game.

Maybe they just dont have the writing talent to progress a romance beyond the initial akward phase and the first night together.

Prove me wrong Bioware. This is not sarcasm, I want you to.

Baldur's Gate 2 and Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal.

Though some of the development was... less than ideally handled (the Aerie pregnancy...), they did attempt to move on from the formula there. Actually, there was no formula, since BG2 had the first Bioware romances. So perhaps they've regressed since?

[Sharn01]

That was an expansion though, but close enough I guess, still the romances from BG2 where far more complex then anything they do today even before you get to TOB.



But Baldur's Gate had glaring problems of its own in other area's, still one of the best RPG's though, far ahead of anything during the same time period.

[bjdbwea]

And it had good epilogues that properly closed the story as it should be, incorporating the possible romances.

[Nozybidaj]

Sharn01 wrote...

I lost a lot of respect for Bioware with how they handled the ME1 cast in ME2, with the exception of course of Garrus and Tali.

I
do think they intentionally had them poorly done in an effort to
encourage cheating. It let's them pat them selves on the back for doing
a good job on the ME2 romances, and they probably have confidence in
themselves to make the character's popular again in ME3, despite the
large drop across the board in popularity for those character's.

I
am actually some what afraid that they will punish people that did not
cheat on their ME1 LI. Part of me think's they are just going to hit
the reset button again and force us to start the romance over from
scratch, finishing it in ME3 where it finished in ME1.

People
who cheated will have all kinds of dialog to try and repair the broken
relationship. People who stayed loyal will just miss a ton of dialog,
get a pat on the back, and at the end of the day get the same results
as those who cheated.

This is even assuming they dont do far
worse, judging by their horribly written portrayal in ME2, this may
actual be an optimistic view of what will happen with the ME1 romances.

I basicly feel like Bioware is betraying a large portion of its fan base.

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Yeah, I think the whole rehash thing is likely, if there is going to be any sort of substantial amount of romance content for the ME1 LIs.

OTOH, I don't think the cheating decision will turn out to be any huge deal. Just a chance for you to break up or something. Or perhaps they will automatically break up with you?

In any case, the chance for an organic and natural feeling growth for the established relationship, whether from "strength to strength" or "through adversity", was in ME2. They scuttled the ME1 romances in ME2, so now that chance has passed forever.

Infuriatingly enough for us ME1 LI fans, the ME2 LIs may end up getting that natural evolution that continues in ME3 from where you left off in ME2, whereas our romances will feel like the rehashed talks from ME1. The same stuff again, only instead of their pasts pre ME1, we now talk about what they did during ME2.

This and this.  If I have to basically start from scratch with my ME1 LI, ME3 will be a waste.  BW needs to resolve all the ME1 LI's with DLC prior to ME3 or else as you guys said staying faithful will actually end up being a punishment in ME3 since the ME2 romances will actually have the chance to progress and develop while the ME1 romances will just be a rehash of ME1. 

Also, I doubt cheating will amount to much at all anyway.  Maybe a line or two of dialogue then right back to business.  I hope I'm wrong, those who chose to cheat in ME2 should have to face consequences in ME3, such as the LI you cheated on not wanting to start the relationship again.  If it ends up that cheaters have all the same LI options as those who stayed faithful then there really was no consequence for cheating and no reward for staying faithful.

Gah, ME2 was just handeld so poorly.  I want my second chapter of the trilogy back.

[LittleDuck]

It was probably just a weekend away for her considering she's 100 and something. She must still be thinking about the night before.

[Daeion]

Jedi0309 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

If this had happened all the complaining would have been reduced by 99%.  We all had already accepted that the ME1 LI's were being written out, weren't happy about it, but had accepeted there wasn't anything we could do about it.  BW said to trust them, that they knew what they were doing.  We did, and look where we are now. <_<

Well, Bioware did say staying loyal through the first 2 games has a big payoff in ME 3, so maybe they'll put a big band-aid on the booboos caused by ME 2.

They'll let you attend the funeral of your LI after the reapers take them out, that will be our reward, otherwise you just get an e-mail saying they are dead.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...

Jedi0309 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

If this had happened all the complaining would have been reduced by 99%.  We all had already accepted that the ME1 LI's were being written out, weren't happy about it, but had accepeted there wasn't anything we could do about it.  BW said to trust them, that they knew what they were doing.  We did, and look where we are now. <_<

Well, Bioware did say staying loyal through the first 2 games has a big payoff in ME 3, so maybe they'll put a big band-aid on the booboos caused by ME 2.

They'll let you attend the funeral of your LI after the reapers take them out, that will be our reward, otherwise you just get an e-mail saying they are dead.

  Why does that not seem entirely out of the realm of impossibility atm?

[Mox Ruuga]

Eh heh, I don't think they'll kill her. Might be a bit too "emotionally engaging" for the ME1 LIs...

Nah, I'm afraid she'll stay in her new job no matter how much you'll cajole her to join. She will act as some sort of quest giver and information source. If you romanced Liara in ME1, and looked at her picture in ME2, you'll get to ask her out on a date in ME3. She'll say yes, but only after you've taken out the Reapers and saved the galaxy.

The biggest bummer would be something like that, another boring, poorly written BS role, that only continues her GrimDarkification and has the tiniest amount of romance exclusive content.

[Daeion]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Why did you change your avatar Mox?  You freak me out now.

None of those choices had any meaningful affect on ME2 at all.  If those are the three that affect the story the most we can say that the promises that our choices mattered were severely overhyped.

Also, not strictly Liara related but:

Casey Hudson: Not to worry - we're not really streamlining or
simplifying. What we actually did was we rebuilt the entire inventory
system so that it could do more, while being easier to use. The
previous system tried to handle all the equipping, customizing, and
managing of your entire squad's armor, weapons, and gear in a single
screen. The main difference in ME2 is we've separated these functions
into different activities, so that each one can offer deeper
customization while being more fun and easy to use. An example is the
armor personalization system which goes far beyond what players could
do in the first game (and that's an understatement), but because it's
on its own screen you can manage the deeper level of options more
easily.

Come on.  That's an out and out lie.  

Makes it impossible to believe a word he says.

Lets see, going from about 60 different versions of each gun down to 2-3, no new armors, no more moding of items, squadies don't wear armor and get the best item auto equiped...Yeah...that's not streamlining or simplifying....

Honestly statements like this make it hard for me to believe they will actually carry LI's into ME3 in any meaningful way.

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Eh heh, I don't think they'll kill her. Might be a bit too "emotionally engaging" for the ME1 LIs...

Nah, I'm afraid she'll stay in her new job no matter how much you'll cajole her to join. She will act as some sort of quest giver and information source. If you romanced Liara in ME1, and looked at her picture in ME2, you'll get to ask her out on a date in ME3. She'll say yes, but only after you've taken out the Reapers and saved the galaxy.

The biggest bummer would be something like that, another boring, poorly written BS role, that only continues her GrimDarkification and has the tiniest amount of romance exclusive content.

 

I would not be buying that game.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Daeion]

Sharn01 wrote...

I lost a lot of respect for Bioware with how they handled the ME1 cast in ME2, with the exception of course of Garrus and Tali.

I do think they intentionally had them poorly done in an effort to encourage cheating. It let's them pat them selves on the back for doing a good job on the ME2 romances, and they probably have confidence in themselves to make the character's popular again in ME3, despite the large drop across the board in popularity for those character's.

I am actually some what afraid that they will punish people that did not cheat on their ME1 LI. Part of me think's they are just going to hit the reset button again and force us to start the romance over from scratch, finishing it in ME3 where it finished in ME1.

People who cheated will have all kinds of dialog to try and repair the broken relationship. People who stayed loyal will just miss a ton of dialog, get a pat on the back, and at the end of the day get the same results as those who cheated.

This is even assuming they dont do far worse, judging by their horribly written portrayal in ME2, this may actual be an optimistic view of what will happen with the ME1 romances.

I basicly feel like Bioware is betraying a large portion of its fan base.

I don't think they could punish those of us who remained loayl anymore then they already did in ME2, heck even if they just killed off the ME LI's that would be better then the hatchet job they did for ME2.

[Daeion]

Sharn01 wrote...

There are a lot of rumor's on DLC I have been seeing lately also, I will not hold my breath though.

But even if they do release some romance content as DLC it will still be a slap in the face, as we will have had to wait longer then every one else for it, will have to pay extra to see the content, and most casual player's do not use DLC so wont see it at all.

At this point it would definately be a good thing, as anything is better then nothing, but it would mean they view our fanbase as second rate at best.

I won't hold my breath for a DLC to fix all these errors but if they do release it, it better come down the pipe via Cerberus so it's free and thus there's no reason to not include what happened in it in ME3.

[Nozybidaj]

Daeion wrote...
I won't hold my breath for a DLC to fix all these errors but if they do release it, it better come down the pipe via Cerberus so it's free and thus there's no reason to not include what happened in it in ME3.

If it is lengthy with lots of content (not just shooting stuff to hack a terminal), full of Liara, well written, includes both acknowledgment of the romance and resolution to her current trials, and includes the chance for Shep to reignite their romance arc with approprite payoff for the faithful I would be more than willing to pay for it as a full expansion.

If it doesn't include these things I'm not interested even if it is free.

[Looper128]

Bleh I really hated Liara in me 2 =/

[Bronxboy]

I would totally buy a Liara-centric expansion! That would be amazing!

EDIT: And isn't Port Observation still closed on the Normandy? I would die if its for Liara....  

Modifié par Bronxboy, 12 février 2010 - 08:18 .