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[ratzerman]

Those who romanced Liara still get the picture scene, though. That's gotta count for something, right? It at least acknowledges the fact the the romance storyline still exists. If the devs really wanted to sucker-punch us, they wouldn't have given us that either.

[WilliamShatner]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

She could have just joined the crew. No matter what she says.

Liara of ME1 always caught herself and recognized when her personal feelings were interfering with her judgment. Well, most of the times, on Ilos Shepard had to remind her. But she did snap out of it.

Is her "friend" now more important to her than Shepard, the fate of all intelligent life in the Galaxy, the fate of the Protheans, helping humanity against the Collectors, etc.? The scum sucking desert lizard must have been SOME friend...

All the explanations for your old crew not joining were lame and infuriating, except Wrex he got by far the best treatment of any of them.

[screwoffreg]

Seriously if Liara's male friend is her lover and I just beat ME 2 while being loyal to her, they are both about to be straight murdered in space. Ashley and Kaiden moving on I can get, as they THINK you are dead. Liara KNOWS you are not and will probably be back soon. She can't wait until my human lifetime expires?

Modifié par screwoffreg, 04 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[jlb524]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Okay. I have read this a couple of time. Can someone explain to me how that alters my game experience? I would not know that if I hadn't read it on these forums. Is the dialogue made less meaningfull because other people who didn't romance Liara also hear it? What does that have to do with my gaming experience?

It does alter your game experience when you import a character that did not romance Liara, and she says the exact same stuff to them, and your interaction with Liara is pretty much the exact same as your Shepard that did romance Liara. 

I agree the dialog is more meaningful to someone who romanced Liara, but at the same time it feels cheap since she says it to all Shepards.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ratzerman wrote...

Those who romanced Liara still get the picture scene, though. That's gotta count for something, right? It at least acknowledges the fact the the romance storyline still exists. If the devs really wanted to sucker-punch us, they wouldn't have given us that either.

Not really, no. The picture scene is just puzzling to me, since my Shepard nor Liara did anything to acknolwedge that they may still be in a relationship.

My Shep's thoughts while looking at the picture, "Oh, hey, it's that Liara girl! I wonder if she got herself killed pursuing the Shadow Broker yet. That's even more of a suicide mission than going through the Omega 4 relay! Oh, right, we're about to go through the relay. *turns and leaves*"

[izmirtheastarach]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Is the dialogue made less meaningfull because other people who didn't romance Liara also hear it? What does that have to do with my gaming experience?

Yes, it is less meaningful because the only "meaning" involved comes from the player's assumptions. If she says "I couldn't let you go" to someone who didn't romance her, then all of a sudden that same dialogue doesn't have meaning for someone who did romance her because obviously her "not being able to let you go" has nothing to do with the romance.

So what is the point here? That being part of these forums ruins your gaming experience?

This whole line reasoning seems utterly ridiculous to me. I thought I was role-playing. What other people experienced in the game has nothing to do with me. It doesn't enter into my experience at all. What I felt when I played through that scene and heard that dialogue doesn't change at all. Why would it?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 04 février 2010 - 08:37 .

[screwoffreg]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Those who romanced Liara still get the picture scene, though. That's gotta count for something, right? It at least acknowledges the fact the the romance storyline still exists. If the devs really wanted to sucker-punch us, they wouldn't have given us that either.

Not really, no. The picture scene is just puzzling to me, since my Shepard nor Liara did anything to acknolwedge that they may still be in a relationship.

My Shep's thoughts while looking at the picture, "Oh, hey, it's that Liara girl! I wonder if she got herself killed pursuing the Shadow Broker yet. That's even more of a suicide mission than going through the Omega 4 relay! Oh, right, we're about to go through the relay. *turns and leaves*"

The fact you don't even get any love when you are facing certain death is rough.  She could've sent a stuffed varren or something.

[sm00thie88]

Maybe you'll get a stuffed shadow broker in me3

[jlb524]

screwoffreg wrote...

The fact you don't even get any love when you are facing certain death is rough.  She could've sent a stuffed varren or something.

A stuffed varren!  That would probably be cute

I would have placed it next to the picture of Liara.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
So what is the point here? That being part of these forums ruins your gaming experience?

This whole line reasoning seems utterly ridiculous to me. I thought I was role-playing. What other people experienced in the game has nothing to do with me. It doesn't enter into my experience at all. What I felt when I played through that scene and heard that dialogue doesn't change at all. Why would it?

What? Being on this forum has nothing to do with it. I've experienced both scenarios for myself with two different Sheps.

I'm complaining about what's in the game, not what my mind made up to justify it.

You can tell yourself that Liara "not being able to let you go" was because she loved you and wanted to continue your romance, but that's your own guesswork and not something backed up by the actual game content. If you're able to delude yourself and be comfortable with the scene, well, that's your prerogative.

[screwoffreg]

jlb524 wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

The fact you don't even get any love when you are facing certain death is rough.  She could've sent a stuffed varren or something.

A stuffed varren!  That would probably be cute

I would have placed it next to the picture of Liara.

Well, there was a reason I bought the alien erotica on the Citadel...My poor Fem-shep...

[Mox Ruuga]

screwoffreg wrote...


The fact you don't even get any love when you are facing certain death is rough.  She could've sent a stuffed varren or something.

I know, right?

This is supposed to be a fricking suicide run! Their meeting may be the last time they meet. And there's just... nothing. Just another day in the office, see you next week.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Honestly, how on earth Bioware could claim ME2 continues the romances of ME1 is beyond me. Or even claim that its the "troubled second act" of the romance. No it isnt. For it to be so, there would actually need to be a, y'know, "act".

Its without question one of the biggest disappointments for me surrounding ME2. Yeah, people have said DLC about it is a possibility, but Im not holding my breath until I see results.

Even still, if there is DLC, would that have any impact on her role in ME3? If Liara isnt a squadmate in ME3, I really cant be motivated to play it myself. Its no different to killing off Shepard. Just ruins my investment in the game.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 04 février 2010 - 08:46 .

[screwoffreg]

I imagine the last issue of the comic that features Liara will tell us more about her troubles and quest to save Shepard's body. I will seriously lol if she falls for the Drell who she knows all of a week though. I would've thought humans would be more disloyal...

[izmirtheastarach]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

What? Being on this forum has nothing to do with it. I've experienced both scenarios for myself with two different Sheps.

I'm complaining about what's in the game, not what my mind made up to justify it.

You can tell yourself that Liara "not being able to let you go" was because she loved you and wanted to continue your romance, but that's your own guesswork and not something backed up by the actual game content. If you're able to delude yourself and be comfortable with the scene, well, that's your prerogative.

If you played through both I guess that makes a little bit more sense. I guess the issue would be what order you played them in.

What I am saying to you is that I didn't need to "delude" myself, because my own feelings and reactions were based on what the game presented me with at the time. Sure, I could go back and critique the scene now, as you are doing. But that doesn't lessen the emotional impact I felt when I played through it the first time.

This seems like saying your initial playthrough of DAO, where you die, is made less meaningfull because afterwards you realized therer was a way to play through without dying. Doesn't change how the game made you feel the first time, as all you had to base your reaction on is what was presented to you.

[Maria Caliban]

screwoffreg wrote...

Seriously if Liara's male friend is her lover and I just beat ME 2 while being loyal to her, they are both about to be straight murdered in space. Ashley and Kaiden moving on I can get, as they THINK you are dead. Liara KNOWS you are not and will probably be back soon. She can't wait until my human lifetime expires?

She’s a virgin who just got some for the first time. For all she knows, the Reapers might destroy all organic life before Cerberus resurrects you. IF they resurrect you.

Asari might be a spiritual, long-lived race, but the Goddess gave them hormones!

[Nozybidaj]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Honestly, how on earth Bioware could claim ME2 continues the romances of ME1 is beyond me.

It was obviously just an offhand comment to try and placate people.  They never inteded for the romance to "continue" in ME2.

Or that its the "troubled second act" of the romance. No it isnt. For it to be so, there would actually need to be a, you know, "act".

Agreed, how can the romance be troubled when there is no romance, not even any interaction at all to be had?

One of the biggest disappointments for me surrounding ME2. Yeah, people have said DLC, but Im not holding my breath until I see results.

Agreed.

[seyera]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
Is the dialogue made less meaningfull because other people who didn't romance Liara also hear it? What does that have to do with my gaming experience?

Yes, it is less meaningful because the only "meaning" involved comes from the player's assumptions. If she says "I couldn't let you go" to someone who didn't romance her, then all of a sudden that same dialogue doesn't have meaning for someone who did romance her because obviously her "not being able to let you go" has nothing to do with the romance.

So what is the point here? That being part of these forums ruins your gaming experience?

This whole line reasoning seems utterly ridiculous to me. I thought I was role-playing. What other people experienced in the game has nothing to do with me. It doesn't enter into my experience at all. What I felt when I played through that scene and heard that dialogue doesn't change at all. Why would it?

Exactly. My first play through I didn't see the dialouge. My view of Liara didn't change (she was my LI). It didn't matter, because I know there is still a third game coming. Whatever is going on isn't done. It was just more enpowering seeing the dialouge my second time around.

Why is it so hard for you to let people perceive the game how they want it? It shouldn't matter if the dialouge is the same. Its the exact same argument people are having about the Renegade/Paragon options. The same choices are there, but people have different reactions to what happens or why they believe it should.

[ratzerman]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Those who romanced Liara still get the picture scene, though. That's gotta count for something, right? It at least acknowledges the fact the the romance storyline still exists. If the devs really wanted to sucker-punch us, they wouldn't have given us that either.

Not really, no. The picture scene is just puzzling to me, since my Shepard nor Liara did anything to acknolwedge that they may still be in a relationship.

My Shep's thoughts while looking at the picture, "Oh, hey, it's that Liara girl! I wonder if she got herself killed pursuing the Shadow Broker yet. That's even more of a suicide mission than going through the Omega 4 relay! Oh, right, we're about to go through the relay. *turns and leaves*"

OK.  Sorry I brought it up.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

What is this picture scene people are talking about, is this for anyone that stays faithful to their LI from ME, instead of the romance bit they get a pic of Shep looking at their pic?



Just wondering as I did ponder whether my Shep would remain faithful to Liara or not, but when saw her and spoke to her and find out what she'd done I decided he would. He wanted to get his mission over and done with and come back and help her with her searching for the Shadow Broker, so he can put a full clip of an AR through their head for even thinking of trying to sell me to the Collectors/Reapers.



I have faith that those of us that remain faithful shall be rewarded, don't give up Liara fans.

[Weskerr]

At what point in ME2 is it even implied that Liara knows you're going on a suicide mission. Even if she did, how would she know when you're going?

[jlb524]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

What is this picture scene people are talking about, is this for anyone that stays faithful to their LI from ME, instead of the romance bit they get a pic of Shep looking at their pic?

It happens right before you leave for the Omega 4 relay....if you were faithful.

[Nozybidaj]

Maria Caliban wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

Seriously if Liara's male friend is her lover and I just beat ME 2 while being loyal to her, they are both about to be straight murdered in space. Ashley and Kaiden moving on I can get, as they THINK you are dead. Liara KNOWS you are not and will probably be back soon. She can't wait until my human lifetime expires?

She’s a virgin who just got some for the first time. For all she knows, the Reapers might destroy all organic life before Cerberus resurrects you. IF they resurrect you.

Asari might be a spiritual, long-lived race, but the Goddess gave them hormones!

I don't think they'll have her jumping all over this "friend" in the comic.  It would certainly be a direct insult to people who romanced her in ME1 to have her out getting freaky with some random person she has know for a few days just weeks after Shepard died.  It would be totally unbelievable and only serve to cheapen the character.

Of course she seems to give up her entire life and any chance to reunite with Shepard after finding out he is alive again for this same guy she knew for a few days which was equally as unbelievable and cheapening so who knows.  I suppose I shouldn't put it past them at this point.

[Schurge]

I just watched that video. Some how I didn't hit that dialogue option and didn't see that she was the reason I am alive. Maybe I didn't get it because I didn't ask her how the fight was. I feel better now... and now I gotta beat it a third time on the same character in a row so I can have that conversation in case it matters that I say I am not upset with her in III (regardless I want to go say it). There may not have been an 'I love you' but 'not letting you go' was an I love you in and of itself.

Sheperd is still and ****. See my sig.

EDIT: Regardless, I was never upset with Liara (seems some here think we are) I was mad at Sheperd for being an ass, once again see my sig.

Modifié par Schurge, 04 février 2010 - 08:56 .

[izmirtheastarach]

seyera wrote...

Exactly. My first play through I didn't see the dialouge. My view of Liara didn't change (she was my LI). It didn't matter, because I know there is still a third game coming. Whatever is going on isn't done. It was just more enpowering seeing the dialouge my second time around.

Why is it so hard for you to let people perceive the game how they want it? It shouldn't matter if the dialouge is the same. Its the exact same argument people are having about the Renegade/Paragon options. The same choices are there, but people have different reactions to what happens or why they believe it should.

Yes. How I feel about the game is my business. I'm not justifying or trying to explain it. But given the information I had my reaction was what it was.