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[Tamahome560]

What I didn't like was that she really wasn't all that happy about Shepard being alive... aside from the first minute you meet her and the conversation about how she couldn't let Shepard go she didn't seem to show any love for my Shep. I get that she's been thorugh a lot ... Losing her mother, losing Shep than finding his body and giving it away to the Cerberus ... Giving away the body of her hero and the man she loved to the enemy in hope that they can bring him back and losing her friend along the way. It must have been a lot for a person who spent most of her life on remote dig sites.



I'm not upset about her not being a squad member or her obssesion with revange but she should atleast be more romantic towards Shep. Instead she just gives you a kiss and orders you to do some hacking because she needs to take ravange for the death of her friend. WTF ... She recovered Sheps body because she loved him but now it seems like she cares more about a ravange for her friend than Shepard coming back from dead and still loving her. I wouldn't be suprised if she had mated with other people when Shep was gone ... wow I feel better now lol

[jlb524]

Cheaters make Liara sad...

[Daeion]

jlb524 wrote...

Cheaters make Liara sad...

:crying::crying:

[Thorn Harvestar]

Daeion wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Cheaters make Liara sad...
(photo)

:crying::crying:

What he said. T_T

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 13 février 2010 - 12:34 .

[Nightwriter]

Tamahome560 wrote...

What I didn't like was that she really wasn't all that happy about Shepard being alive... aside from the first minute you meet her and the conversation about how she couldn't let Shepard go she didn't seem to show any love for my Shep. I get that she's been thorugh a lot ... Losing her mother, losing Shep than finding his body and giving it away to the Cerberus ... Giving away the body of her hero and the man she loved to the enemy in hope that they can bring him back and losing her friend along the way. It must have been a lot for a person who spent most of her life on remote dig sites.

I'm not upset about her not being a squad member or her obssesion with revange but she should atleast be more romantic towards Shep. Instead she just gives you a kiss and orders you to do some hacking because she needs to take ravange for the death of her friend. WTF ... She recovered Sheps body because she loved him but now it seems like she cares more about a ravange for her friend than Shepard coming back from dead and still loving her. I wouldn't be suprised if she had mated with other people when Shep was gone ... wow I feel better now lol

Omg, this is EXACTLY how I felt. I didn’t feel near as much guilt as I expected to for my ME2 relationships because Liara was so distant and unresponsive to me in the game. Even shaking her head and pulling away from you.  
 
I was surprised, because I felt way more guilt for my Kaidan relationship than I did for her, and I expected it to be the other way around. But the way she talked to you, she might’ve been talking to Tali or Engineer Adams or something.

[Nozybidaj]

Driveninhifi wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I think everyone has it within them to go on a personal vendetta, people just take different amounts of pushing to get past their limit.  Unfortunately we don't know exactly what happened to push Liara over the edge and honestly it probably should ahve been shown in game, not in a comic.

It most certainly should have been in the game. There is no reason for it not to be, other than the writers holding back for later content or trying to sell comic books. Either one is not a good excuse, in my opinion.
What I wonder about is that based on how her character is developed and presented in ME1, the only person that would be able to elicit that reaction in her is Shep. She also knows that Shep is probably coming back to life - so her motivations are a bit hazy. Sure, she's afraid Shep will hate her, but she's also shown to be a very hopeful character I would say, and so I don't completely buy it.
I think it makes more sense for her vendetta to begin with her fighting for her own survival in addition to avenge/honor Shep and her friend. Then it can devolve into what we have in game - or perhaps it doesn't even need to. But really, the anger has to be more about her than anything. She's not really angry at the Shadow Broker - she's angry at herself for letting Shep die, for letting Feron die, for giving the body away, etc. Stopping the SB is her redemption, so to speak. Again, this motivation becomes hazy once Shep comes back, but it's a decent start.

It would have been an infintely "cleaner" solution to just have TIM tell you at the begining of the game that Liara has gone "underground" hunting the Shadow Broker then never even show her in game.  Then the Liara expansion could have opened after the sucide mission was over with a mysterious message being sent to the Normandy that leads to a big Liara reveal.

That way they could have managed to accomplish exactly what they did in game, which is to tell you absolutely nothing without having this hideous scene right in the middle of the game.  I might not have been any less angry about that, but sometimes ignorance is bliss when BW takes one of the most prominent and loved characters of the series and do what they did with her.

I am still feeling a lot of trepidation about exactly what they are going to do to her in the comic to try and explain this "grimdarikification" of her character.  I don't think we are going to like it.

[jbauck]

jlb524 wrote...

Cheaters make Liara sad...

That pictures needs:

*Blue Flash* *Right-Click*
Interrupt Hug!

[Corti78]

jbauck wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Cheaters make Liara sad...

That pictures needs:

*Blue Flash* *Right-Click*
Interrupt Hug!

Ha, I was about to post the exact same thing. Seriously, why didn't Shepard hug her right there!?

[CandidCarnage]

Schurge wrote...

What they did with Liara & Sheperd is the one thing I can't stand about MEII. They really dropped the ball.

This. It's the one thing I can't stand, it sucks.

@ Those talking about Liara "moving on"

She says herself: "I couldn't let you go", so I'd like to go ahead and declare that idea 'blown from the water'. The shame of it is that her saying so isn't exclusive to a Shep that she's romanced. If it were, then I'd feel as though it filled in for the mail we don't get, and all would be well. There should be SOMETHING... for fsck sake.

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

The devs should not let us down again !  Why creating such a nice character as Liara and let her rot all the rest on the games.

I don't want to see a another bunch of boring badass characters.  Jack was so annoying, Zaeed is boring and useless. 

Modifié par arafinwe_ingalaure, 13 février 2010 - 01:18 .

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

jlb524 wrote...

Cheaters make Liara sad...

Nice picture, I wish I could at least see Liara doing so in Mass Effect 2.

[Driveninhifi]

Tamahome560 wrote...
I'm not upset about her not being a squad member or her obssesion with revange but she should atleast be more romantic towards Shep. Instead she just gives you a kiss and orders you to do some hacking because she needs to take ravange for the death of her friend. WTF ... She recovered Sheps body because she loved him but now it seems like she cares more about a ravange for her friend than Shepard coming back from dead and still loving her. I wouldn't be suprised if she had mated with other people when Shep was gone ... wow I feel better now lol

I didn't see it as not being happy Shep was alive - it's more like "What will Shepard think of me when he/she finds out what I did?" 
What I think you are picking up on is that the Liara that was Shepard's love is a different person from the one that is not. They wrote this interlude to attempt to work with both, and it doesn't. It's just not believable because the intermediate two years and the reunion would mean different things to the character. There needed to be more development and dialogue here.

There's a lot to work with: maybe she really DOES want to go with Shepard. She obviously is tormented by her guilt - so it's conceivable she thinks that abandoning her search is taking the easy way out. Her preference could be to rejoin Shepard but that would make her feel even MORE guilty, since it would be denying the sacrifice made for her and Shepard.
I doubt she's mated with anyone else - it doesn't fit the trepidation she had with mating with Shepard, who she believed was essentially her soul mate.
It could be the case that the last 2 comics suck and really don't solve any of these issues. But BioWare's got a good writing team, so it's also possible it will shed some light on things.
The problems with the conversation are more sins of omission than anything else, so we'll have to see if they truly dropped the ball or not - it's hard to tell right now.

[Ooga600]

It isn't as easily accessible (which is unfortunate), but if you ask her the right things she tells you that she rescued your body from the Shadow Broker and gave it to Cerberus to bring you back. She did much more to show she cares about Shepard than sending an email and accusing him of treason.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ooga600 wrote...

It isn't as easily accessible (which is unfortunate), but if you ask her the right things she tells you that she rescued your body from the Shadow Broker and gave it to Cerberus to bring you back. She did much more to show she cares about Shepard than sending an email and accusing him of treason.

Since she says that to everyone, regardless of whether or not you romanced her, that doesn't count for anything.

[Driveninhifi]

An interesting implication there is that she is in love with Shepard regardless of whether or not Shepard loves her. If that is the case, and Shepard does not love her, the exchange makes a lot of sense as it is in game.

Unfortunately, that isn't explored either.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Driveninhifi wrote...

An interesting implication there is that she is in love with Shepard regardless of whether or not Shepard loves her. If that is the case, and Shepard does not love her, the exchange makes a lot of sense as it is in game.
Unfortunately, that isn't explored either.

That doesn't fit with Liara's behavior. After Shep refuses her in ME1 she never mentions it and acts 100% professionally.
You have to assume she's still "in love" with Shepard no matter what for that to make any sense.

And either way, this topic was about exclusive romantic content for people who imported a romance.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 13 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[Sharn01]

Has any one played through the game with Wrex dead and alive yet, I have always had him alive and I am curious how much extra dialog there is for him?



They really should have added more dialog for all ME1 romances in ME2, Liara probably should have been done differently entirely, but some extra dialog for the ME LI would have gone a long way.

[Nozybidaj]

I haven't. Wrex is alive in all my games.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.



There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

[Sharn01]

Not sure if I am glad or not about that. Makes me feel better that they did not single out Liara, but it is just another example of them not giving a damn about ME1 decision's.

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.

There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

Hmm, disappointing.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.

There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

Thats not true. Its an entirely different experience, and the dialogue with Wrex is completely different.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.

There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

Thats not true. Its an entirely different experience, and the dialogue with Wrex is completely different.

What's not true about it? A couple dialogues change that show Wrex is uniting the krogan, and Wrex has a couple lines describing what he's doing.

Otherwise it's all the same. Quests are the same, politics with Uvenk are the same, NPC's are the same...

[morrie23]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.

There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

Hmm, disappointing.

I still think Wrex is still the best implemented non-ME2 squad member from ME1, he genuinely sounds happy to see you and doesn't rip you a new one about Cerberus a la Virmire survivor. Don't get me started on the implementation of Liara in ME2... it makes me sad.

[Sharn01]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The only difference for a non-Wrex play is that his brother Wreav is the clan leader, and the krogan aren't trying to unite.

There's not much extra dialogue for having Wrex there, really.

Thats not true. Its an entirely different experience, and the dialogue with Wrex is completely different.

What's not true about it? A couple dialogues change that show Wrex is uniting the krogan, and Wrex has a couple lines describing what he's doing.

Otherwise it's all the same. Quests are the same, politics with Uvenk are the same, NPC's are the same...

Maybe I will have to suck it up and see it for my self. 

You should know as well as any of us though Myst that a few lines of dialog can make a huge difference.  Imagine if they added two or three lines of dialog to Liara if she was your LI and how much of a difference that would make.