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[Daeion]

Gabey5 wrote...

umm she moved on. aliens live for a thousand years. a one night fling ain't a thing. but to humans who live 100 tops...yeah it means more

I have a feeling that her friend that got killed was more then a friend, which makes me sad considering the comic takes place only about a month after you died and she's searching for you.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

seyera wrote...

Why is it so hard for you to let people perceive the game how they want it? It shouldn't matter if the dialouge is the same. Its the exact same argument people are having about the Renegade/Paragon options. The same choices are there, but people have different reactions to what happens or why they believe it should.

I'll assume you're talking to me.

As I said, you can perceive the game however you want. My complaints are focused around the complete lack of actual romantic content other than an awkward kiss.

If you tell yourself that Liara's dialogue has something to do with the romance (despite the fact that it's exactly the same whether you romanced her or not), that's your prerogative. If you're satisfied with that, fine. I'm not satisfied.

I'm going to tell BioWare and the forums that I don't like the lazy approach to the romance carry-over. If I have to completely assume that she's talking about our relationship when evidence shows that she isn't, then I'm not happy. If you disagree with me then you disagree with me. It's not "hard for me" to let you think what you want, but if you come into my topic and tell me that I shouldn't have perceived the scene in the way I perceived it then I will argue.

[screwoffreg]

Daeion wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

umm she moved on. aliens live for a thousand years. a one night fling ain't a thing. but to humans who live 100 tops...yeah it means more

I have a feeling that her friend that got killed was more then a friend, which makes me sad considering the comic takes place only about a month after you died and she's searching for you.

That just may be natural jealousy.  We will find out next month when the last comic releases.  Seriously though, a freaking month?  Wow, Liara.  WOW.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I doubt Liara will have anything overtly romantic going on between herself and Feron. BioWare hopefully isn't that much of a troll.

[izmirtheastarach]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I'll assume you're talking to me.

As I said, you can perceive the game however you want. My complaints are focused around the complete lack of actual romantic content other than an awkward kiss.

If you tell yourself that Liara's dialogue has something to do with the romance (despite the fact that it's exactly the same whether you romanced her or not), that's your prerogative. If you're satisfied with that, fine. I'm not satisfied.

I'm going to tell BioWare and the forums that I don't like the lazy approach to the romance carry-over. If I have to completely assume that she's talking about our relationship when evidence shows that she isn't, then I'm not happy. If you disagree with me then you disagree with me. It's not "hard for me" to let you think what you want, but if you come into my topic and tell me that I shouldn't have perceived the scene in the way I perceived it then I will argue.

In an effort to avoid continuing this argument, of course what you want to tell Bioware about how you felt about the game is not the issue. That is totally up to you.

My only issue is that you seemed to be telling people (people like me) that how they felt about the game was wrong, because of information they (I) did not have when they (I) played the game. That's really the only thing I am arguing about here. If I had read about this issue before I played through that part of the game, the impact would certainly have been lessened, but that's why one avoids Spoiler forums until one has completed the game.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
My only issue is that you seemed to be telling people (people like me) that how they felt about the game was wrong, because of information they (I) did not have when they (I) played the game. That's really the only thing I am arguing about here. If I had read about this issue before I played through that part of the game, the impact would certainly have been lessened, but that's why one avoids Spoiler forums until one has completed the game.

I wasn't actively trying to get you to change the way you felt. I'm merely pointing out that the way you felt was based on certain assumptions made personally by you. You're free to adhere to those assumptions if you'd like; I'm merely presenting the evidence as to why I don't like the way BioWare handled this.

If they keep this kind of crap up for ME3, then a LOT of people are going to be pissed, especially if ME3 turns the ME2 LI's into as much of a joke as Liara is in ME2.

[Mox Ruuga]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I doubt Liara will have anything overtly romantic going on between herself and Feron. BioWare hopefully isn't that much of a troll.

The writer for Liara changed between the games, I presume. Who knows how the new guy sees her character? Signs are not good so far...

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
My only issue is that you seemed to be telling people (people like me) that how they felt about the game was wrong, because of information they (I) did not have when they (I) played the game. That's really the only thing I am arguing about here. If I had read about this issue before I played through that part of the game, the impact would certainly have been lessened, but that's why one avoids Spoiler forums until one has completed the game.

I wasn't actively trying to get you to change the way you felt. I'm merely pointing out that the way you felt was based on certain assumptions made personally by you. You're free to adhere to those assumptions if you'd like; I'm merely presenting the evidence as to why I don't like the way BioWare handled this.

If they keep this kind of crap up for ME3, then a LOT of people are going to be pissed, especially if ME3 turns the ME2 LI's into as much of a joke as Liara is in ME2.

I'm fine with assuming her hidden dialogue is meant to be romantic, my main issue with the whole thing is Shepard's complete apathy to it.  "Oh you saved my life? Thanks.  I'll be going now."

[Daeion]

screwoffreg wrote...

Daeion wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

umm she moved on. aliens live for a thousand years. a one night fling ain't a thing. but to humans who live 100 tops...yeah it means more

I have a feeling that her friend that got killed was more then a friend, which makes me sad considering the comic takes place only about a month after you died and she's searching for you.

That just may be natural jealousy.  We will find out next month when the last comic releases.  Seriously though, a freaking month?  Wow, Liara.  WOW.

Didn't the 2nd one just get released yesterday so we have two months until the 4th one?

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I'm fine with assuming her hidden dialogue is meant to be romantic, my main issue with the whole thing is Shepard's complete apathy to it.  "Oh you saved my life? Thanks.  I'll be going now."

I agree.  I assume her dialog means something romantic so I can feel good about the whole crap-situation.  That still doesn't change the fact that the situation is crap.

And Shepard has absolutely no way to acknowledge the relationship....none.  Not to Liara nor anyone else.

[izmirtheastarach]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I wasn't actively trying to get you to change the way you felt. I'm merely pointing out that the way you felt was based on certain assumptions made personally by you. You're free to adhere to those assumptions if you'd like; I'm merely presenting the evidence as to why I don't like the way BioWare handled this.

If they keep this kind of crap up for ME3, then a LOT of people are going to be pissed, especially if ME3 turns the ME2 LI's into as much of a joke as Liara is in ME2.

And again, not to belabour the point, but my feelings were not based on any assumptions. They were just based one what the character said to me. I didn't even know there were assumptions one would need to make until people starting point it out on the boards.

I certainly agree that they cannot approach things this way in ME3. There is going to have to be some acknowledgement of the choices the player has made.

If there was anything Casey Hudson said that turned out to be less then true, it was the whole idea of cheating on your LI. There really want nothing to cheat on. Which worked well with the way I was playing the game, but I fully sympathize with those who wanted more then that. If they really wanted to be honest, they would just have referred to the encounters in ME1 as one night stands, instead of trying to get people's hopes up, only to dash them.

[Eddie-Hawke]

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

[Daeion]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I doubt Liara will have anything overtly romantic going on between herself and Feron. BioWare hopefully isn't that much of a troll.

I hope so as well, but the way she said friend and was talking, that was the first thing that sprang to mind.  I was like WTF!?!?!?  You cheated on me!?!?!?

[izmirtheastarach]

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

See, for Kaidan and Ashley that might still make some sense. A reunion when they realize that you wern't a traitor and such. But with Liara, there is no way to explain that.

[screwoffreg]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

See, for Kaidan and Ashley that might still make some sense. A reunion when they realize that you wern't a traitor and such. But with Liara, there is no way to explain that.

She is pregnant with Feron's child and wants you to raise it, as he dies in captivity.  Are you MAN enough to be a fill in father?  Coming soon in ME 3...

[Daewan]

Romance:

"As a literary genre of high culture, romance or chivalric romance is a style of heroic prose and verse narrative that was popular in the aristocratic circles of High Medieval and Early Modern Europe. They were fantastic stories about the marvelous adventures of a chivalrous, heroic knight errant, often of super-human ability, who often goes on a quest. [...]  In later romances, particularly those of French origin, there is a marked tendency to emphasize themes of courtly love, such as faithfulness in adversity."  (emphasis mine)

See what happens when you pay attention in English Lit?  You learn when you're being set up for a fall in video games.

One more quote from same source:
"Modern usage of term "romance" usually refer to the romance novel, which is a subgenre that focuses on the relationship and romantic love between two people; these novels must have an "emotionally satisfying and optimistic ending.*" Despite the popularity of this popular meaning of Romance, other works are still, occasionally, referred to as romances because of their uses of other elements descended from the medieval romance, or from the Romantic movement: larger-than-life heroes and heroines, drama and adventure, marvels that may become fantastic, themes of honor and loyalty, or fairy-tale-like stories and story settings. [...]."  (emphasis mine)

[Daeion]

Nozybidaj wrote...
I'm fine with assuming her hidden dialogue is meant to be romantic, my main issue with the whole thing is Shepard's complete apathy to it.  "Oh you saved my life? Thanks.  I'll be going now."

Honestly I think that the role Liara played should have been played by your original ME LI and then if you didn't have one there's no reason to bring back the original LI's other then them being the simple alliance rep or in Liara's case she's just a simpl information broker now.  I mean honestly, why is Liara, who by renegade shep was a total dick to, risking her life to go find me and then give me over to cerberus?  It should ahe been the original LI and then that would have truely made the conversations more interesting.

[Daeion]

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

Or it could just be BW foreshadowing their deaths in ME3.

[-Area51-Silent]

I am not sure what it is about Liara that makes people think that things would still be the same.She seams to go from more of an innocent which lasts for I think 109 years, and then in 2 years suffers the loss of Shepard and another friend.



Things that simple change people, (or aliens how ever they are portrayed). One could argue she is being cold to protect him, she's going after the Shadow Broker after all, any email or transmission could potentially get intercepted and draw Shepard into a conflict that she doesnt want him involved in.

[Championette]

I took Feron to mean friend - that's it. I took it to mean that they went through a lot together. If someone were to sacrifice their life so you could escape with your own life and with the body of your love interest then I'd give them the friend label...at the very least.



Besides Thane was boring, I assume Feron is too. j/k!!

[Daeion]

screwoffreg wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

See, for Kaidan and Ashley that might still make some sense. A reunion when they realize that you wern't a traitor and such. But with Liara, there is no way to explain that.

She is pregnant with Feron's child and wants you to raise it, as he dies in captivity.  Are you MAN enough to be a fill in father?  Coming soon in ME 3...

Well my shep wouldn't be MAN enough, Liara would need to be the father.

[deimosmasque]

This may have already been said... and many people missed it. But after you help her uncover the Observer, one specific conversation choice will allow you to see how she really feels.

[Eddie-Hawke]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Eddie-Hawke wrote...

I kind of thought the lack of ME1 love interest input was to make ME3 reunions a lot more intense.

See, for Kaidan and Ashley that might still make some sense. A reunion when they realize that you wern't a traitor and such. But with Liara, there is no way to explain that.

I suppose that's true. I'm not heavily into the whole 'she was being watched' excuse.