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[Nozybidaj]

yeldarbnotned wrote...

Perhaps Liara had a child by Shepard. The Shadow Broker did harm to it. Thus, Liara wants revenge and does not want to overburden Shepard at this moment.

I actually wouldn't mind that, except for the doing harm to it part, maybe threatened or kidnapped and Liara didn't want to tell Shep about it because he has a galaxy to save at the moment.

Though it would be kinda ackward for Sheps that romanced Ash/Kaidan.

[yeldarbnotned]

I think you are right rynluna.  Liara and Shepard could possibly trigger it earlier, but would have to do lots of mind melding in the few months they had together.

[Nozybidaj]

yeldarbnotned wrote...

I think you are right rynluna.  Liara and Shepard could possibly trigger it earlier, but would have to do lots of mind melding in the few months they had together.

Oh I can guarantee that my Shep would have had plenty of mind melding.  

[rwilli80]

I still feel the LIs in ME2 are more of a waiting for better things, ie your LI from ME1. I myself like Liara more then any of the LIs in the new game, yet I find Miranda and Jack equally intriguing, but more of a one night stand then an actual LI.

[Sharn01]

rynluna wrote...

I thought Liara wasn't even in the stage to have kids yet? Maybe I'm wrong.

Asari can start having children around the age of 40-60 or so when they reach adulthood.  I am not 100% certain when an Asari physically matures, but I do know you run into asari during the game that are adults that are around the age of 60.  As for having children, the game has shown examples of Asari having children at every age from 80 until close to 1000 years old.  While they have not given any official age that I can think of, we know this from listening to converstion's in ME1 and ME2.

The Maiden, Matron and Matriarch stages of the asari are not a physical stages of advancement, they are a social structure of asari society. 

[WilliamShatner]

yeldarbnotned wrote...

Perhaps Liara had a child by Shepard. The Shadow Broker did harm to it. Thus, Liara wants revenge and does not want to overburden Shepard at this moment.

The fly in the blue paint is that Liara act the same regardless of whether you romanced her or not.

[Madecologist]

Maybe they will recover with the DLC. However... I am not keen on the idea. Your ME1 LI should have had its act 2 moment in the game proper. I almost miss the days of ROM catridge games, no patches, not content updates. You wanted a solid full game, you released a solid full game. Lived with the consequences if it wasn't. All this internet and DLC is making people lazy for release.

Back in my days..... *rambles about walking to school in a Blizzard for 20 miles uphill, both on the way there and on the way back*

Modifié par Madecologist, 17 février 2010 - 11:22 .

[Tamcia]

Madecologist wrote...

Maybe they will recover with the DLC. However... I am not keen on the idea. Your ME1 LI should have had its act 2 moment in the game proper. I almost miss the days of ROM catridge games, no patches, not content updates. You wanted a solid full game, you released a solid full game. Lived with the consequences if it wasn't. All this internet and DLC is making people lazy for release.

Back in my days..... *rambles about walking to school in a Blizzard for 20 miles uphill, both on the way there and on the way back*

I am rather skeptical about DLC - I think we are gonna get hovertank, Kisume, something minor and thats it - remember ME1, not much of DLC there. And considering we already had Zaed, Normandy crashsite and cerberus armor, its probably 40% of total DLC for ME2. Don't get me wrong I'm all for Liara DLc and squad mate addition + continued romance, but i'm just not putting my hopes up for this.

[Nynaeve]

It seems to me that the devs really wanted to create ME2 to entice the largest audience possible, to this end, these new ME players would have little or no interest in past LI's. I would go out on a limb and presume that they thought they would cater to these new players in the main game with regard to pretty much shunning old LI's in favour of the new.

This leads me to think that there WILL be a DLC to quench the thirst of us old fans that relate directly to ash/kaiden and Liara romances. Thats how I see it anyway.



If we think about the old LI scenes in ME2...us Liara lovers get a kiss, and if I'm not mistaken, so do people who romanced Ash/Kaiden. The dialogue that ensues is pretty much the same from then on, whether you romanced said characters or not. I think Bioware chucked in the kiss intros in an attempt to 'satisfy' (I say that lightly) the people who romanced these characters, while keeping the dialogue that followed as nuetral as possible in an effort not to confuse new players.

I don't know how to feel about this, and if they have done this with the presumption that those of us who were faithful would fork out for the DLC to get our fix....well they're not wrong dammit.

In summary (not one for big posts whew!) I think everything points to 'we'll stay nuetral in-game, if they want extra, they'll have to wait'



And wait I will

[MutantSpleen]

yeldarbnotned wrote...

Perhaps Liara had a child by Shepard. The Shadow Broker did harm to it. Thus, Liara wants revenge and does not want to overburden Shepard at this moment.

I am thinking the Asari consciously make the decision to have a child, no accidental pregnancies, since they are really just an odd form of asexual reproduction. They just mix up one half of their own genes by using whoever they meld with as a blueprint. Once they get the urge actually have a child they enter the Matron stage. That is usually around 300 to 400 years.

Liara is what 108? She is just entering her wild Maiden phase, barely out of childhood.

So I doubt Liara had Shepard's baby, but anything is possible.

[Nimander]

It's implied that some enter it earlier. They don't really say why, but I get the feeling (personal opinion) that 'Maidens' are sexually mature. They simply don't choose to have children yet.



If so, it's conceivable that Liara matured mentally fast enough to want a child. I really can't see her doing so without telling Shepard though. Unless you keep a 'scan' of every lover you have and she did it after his death, but I don't think that's the case. Could be wrong.

[Madecologist]

Now I wonder if Asari can have 'early' pregnancy. As in under certain condition they cause themselves to become pregnant against willing to do so. The other way can also be possible. They don't get it all the time when they want it... hmmm... Madecologist now fascinated... *looks at his avatar* Dr. Mordin.. shall we go and find out?

Mordin: Not enough time... still updating Cerberus dental records.

[MutantSpleen]

My reasoning is that it is a conscious choice, otherwise their species would have over populated their planet a long time ago, since they live for 1000 years.

[Madecologist]

MutantSpleen wrote...

My reasoning is that it is a conscious choice, otherwise their species would have over populated their planet a long time ago, since they live for 1000 years.

Oh I fully agree! What I meant is "problems getting pregnant" and -rare- accidents where they do get pregnant. Biology is funny that way.

Modifié par Madecologist, 17 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[wolf99000]

MutantSpleen wrote...

My reasoning is that it is a conscious choice, otherwise their species would have over populated their planet a long time ago, since they live for 1000 years.

is that not mentioned in me 2 I think that they can have sex but not children they have to make a conscious choice if they want them also I think the partner would have to agree as a joint decision I will have to play it again but I am sure that is in there

[wolf99000]

something else they should have added was when you get to the point of cheating the option to say no I want to stay faithful to liara ash or kaiden

[JPfanner]

Asari are parthogenic females who can consciously choose to release an egg during melding, and the melding process triggers the fertilization of that egg with the actual recombination of DNA being influenced by the gestalt nervous system formed between the asari and her partner. All the DNA is still the asari's, the melding just influences the fertilization and when the gestalt nervous system includes a non-asari partner then you get expressions out of the range of asari/asari pairings.



I think a lot of confusion comes from some of Liara's comments herself in ME 1. She says things like she's not a woman, or like when Kaiden says that he didn't know Shepard was into women and Liara says she's not technically a woman in response. She is female, and she is a woman, she's just not a human woman and doesn't want to be pigeonholed as one. Which is really understandable considering the gender roles in the other races which she'd be more familiar with.



I don't really see Bioware including an asari lovechild on the sly though. But technically every Shepard has melded with Liara as part of the story. You could also include possibly the Consort and Shiala too, but not everyone rejected the Consort's gift of words, and some people have shot Shiala...which generally isn't conducive to giving birth.

[anmiro]

What I took from ME2, is that none of the choices made in ME1 have any really impact on ME2. It didn't matter if you encouraged Garrus to be a moral or immoral person, because either way he ends up in the same situation. It doesn't matter who you romanced, because neither one of them want anything to do with you anymore.It doesn't matter who you let die on Virmire, because despite their very different personalities and despite everything you went through together in ME1 neither one of them will trust you anymore. Even if you boned 'em. It doesn't even really matter if the council died or not, because either way they want nothing to do with you.

The only thing I'm not sure about is how letting Wrex die will effect ME2 as I could never bring myself to kill him. But I'm willing to bet his absence won't effect things very much.

What I took from ME2 is that the story is going to playout axactly the same way no matter what choices you make. You kill a character, some one else will just step right into there shoes and fill that role in the next game.

I also believe that Liara, Wrex, and Ashley or Kaiden (whoever lived) will play a much bigger part in ME3. I got the feeling that those characters were basically benched in ME2 to ensure they were there to play their parts in ME3.

Modifié par anmiro, 17 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[ratzerman]

anmiro wrote...

The only thing I'm not sure about is how letting Wrex die will effect ME2 as I could never bring myself to kill him. But I'm willing to bet his absence won't effect things very much.

OMG.... if you killed Wrex, the changes in ME2 are huge! 
Instead of running into Wrex on Tuchunka, you run into..... Wrex's brother.  Yup.  His brother. 

Sigh.... the game should've shipped with a little note in it from Bioware, addressed to all us ME1 verterans:

Dear loyal customer, 

Go F yourself.
Except for you Tali fans.  We love you guys!  We're gonna give you everything you've ever wanted!
But the rest of you.... F off.

Love,
Bioware.