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[Wishpig]

Before anyone heard about Dragon Age: Awakaning there was a leak, a rumor, about it in some australian gaming mag. A few days later they were proven right, about not only the expansion but the name. However, they also said it would be roughly 15 hours. I mean they ended up being two for two, but are they two for three or three for three? Thats the question.

If I'm paying $40 for the PC version, $10 more then normal x-pack price, and $10 more then should be in comparison to the console price (console games cost $10 dollars more then the average PC game because they have to pay big bucks for the rights to publish on a console)... then I feel like I'm being pretty damn ripped off. Getting sick of EA charging us a little more then they should with every DA:O thing the release. It adds up.

BUT the price issue has been debaited to death and frankly, you don't care if I'll buy it or not.

So back to my main point... has bioware addressed this or given us an esitmate of the game's length? Honestly, I think it's a rumor and false, bioware has stated this x-pack is bigger then any to date and while I find that hard to beleave due to the massive length of Throne of Bhall, I also don't think they would say this if it was a mere $15 hours in length. Of course it wouldn't be the first time the truth was stretched.

[Kalledon]

I read 15 hours somewhere too. It has not been officially stated by BioWare though

[Darkemorrow]

As far as I'm aware, the only official word on length came from this interview in which a developer said the following:

"It is by far the biggest expansion that we'll be releasing. I can't talk about the number of hours at this point, but in general, you can definitely expect a lot of gameplay. I don't think we know how to make games differently. Even without the replayability, I think it's safe to say that it's larger than pretty much any downloadable content out there. I think we need to treat it a lot more like a traditional retail expansion, which is really what it is -- it'll just have a downloadable version as well. But it'll be fairly massive. It'll be bigger than most retail games."

"Bigger than most retail games" could, of course, mean a lot of things. Personally I wouldn't give any credence to any attempt to put a hard number on the hours it takes to complete any game - these things tend to vary wildly from person to person.

Modifié par Darkemorrow, 04 février 2010 - 08:45 .

[Wishpig]

Kalledon wrote...

I read 15 hours somewhere too. It has not been officially stated by BioWare though

Yeah, it's the rumored length. No offense, but I am NOT dropping $40 bucks for 15 hour of gameplay simply on principle alone.

And don't anyone give me that, "if the quality is really good, or it's longer then most games" BS. One of the things that made Dragon Age: Origins great was it's massive length. I spent nearly 100 hours on my first play through, I am not paying ten dollars less then the origonal game for less then 2/10 of the origonal length.

BUT I trust bioware and I trust they would not rip us off like this, so I have faith this is only a rumor.

[_Infiltrator]

I agree, wouldn't really be interested if it was just 15 hours. But the interview you cite Darkemorrow makes me fearful.. he evades the question. Like you said, "Bigger than most retail games" can be taken in many ways. Most shooters don't go over 10 hours, for example (some even last 5 or less).

He could have said "2/3 the size of DA:O" or something along those lines, but he didn't, which, as I said, makes me skeptical.

Remember that EA are pushing them and sometimes devs can't tell us what they really think, mean or want.

Modifié par Infiltrator, 04 février 2010 - 08:53 .

[Valmy]

I find it hard to believe they would introduce and a new cast of joinable NPCs just for a short 15 hour exp pack.

[Darkemorrow]

Infiltrator wrote...

I agree, wouldn't really be interested if it was just 15 hours. But the interview you cite Darkemorrow makes me fearful.. he evades the question. Like you said, "Bigger than most retail games" can be taken in many ways. Most shooters don't go over 10 hours, for example (some even last 5 or less).

He could have said "2/3 the size of DA:O" or something along those lines, but he didn't, which, as I said, makes me skeptical.

Remember that EA are pushing them and sometimes devs can't tell us what they really think, mean or want.

I would assume that the phrase "bigger than most retail games" would mean bigger than most retail games within a comparable genre. Shooters are on the short end of the spectrum for single-player campaigns since most are designed primarily for the multiplayer experience. A fairer comparison would be with other single-player focused games.

Valmy wrote...

I find it hard to believe they would introduce and a new cast of joinable NPCs just for a short 15 hour exp pack.

I agree. My personal guess would be 25 minimum. Which is still only half of what you get out of the original, at least in my experience.

Modifié par Darkemorrow, 04 février 2010 - 09:17 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Exactely my thought too, you need some time to get to your party to them and solving their personal quests (if they have one). You cannot include that in 25 hours of playing time.



The best indication for playing time is that one dev said you can get up to level 40 if you start with 20 at the beginning fo Awakening.

[_Infiltrator]

Yeah, that's all we can do now - assume and speculate. But like I said, I don't like it when they start dodging questions.

[Metallicka]

I think it will be at least 30 hours, but I've not seen anything official regarding length yet.

[Giant ambush beetle]

You have to get from level 20 to 40, so I think that takes quiet some time.

[Darkemorrow]

The Woldan wrote...

You have to get from level 20 to 40, so I think that takes quiet some time.

Last I heard they hadn't settled on an exact level cap. I think they said it could end up being anywhere between 30 to 40. My guess would be 35 - an additional 10 to the existing cap of 25. Since it usually takes me about 50+ hours to get from 1 to 25 (cheats, exploits, and supply crate abuse not included) and since the higher level you are the longer it takes to level again, I would say leveling 10 more times should be about 25 or more hours, which lines up quite neatly with my previous estimate.

Of course this is all rampant, unfounded speculation - the best kind!

[Metallicka]

The Woldan wrote...

You have to get from level 20 to 40, so I think that takes quiet some time.

The last I read, they hadn't decided on the new level cap but that it would be in the mid to high 30s, I'm guessing like 38 with 36 or 37 actually possible to achieve without cheating.

[flem1]

Wishpig wrote...

BUT I trust bioware and I trust they would not rip us off like this, so I have faith this is only a rumor.

Really?  I trust them for full games, but what in the DLC program so far *hasn't* been a ripoff?

Incidentally, read the words of the interview closely:  it says this will be the largest expansion they will release *for DA*, and much bigger than other DA add-ons.  It does not say it's the biggest expansion ever for any game or any Bio game (uhh, HOTU?) or make any comparison of that sort.

Modifié par flem1, 04 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[Upper_Krust]

Hey all!

I don't see how 15 hours makes any sense whatsoever.

Personally I think the game will be roughly 50-75% as big as Dragon Age.

My reasoning is simple...

Clue #1: The new Level Cap which will be about Level 37 ish. That is a 50% increase from the DAO maximum of Level 25.

Clue #2: The number of companions in the game. Awakening has 6 companions to DAO's 8, thats 75%.

[Darkemorrow]

flem1 wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

BUT I trust bioware and I trust they would not rip us off like this, so I have faith this is only a rumor.

Really?  I trust them for full games, but what in the DLC program so far *hasn't* been a ripoff?

Incidentally, read the words of the interview closely:  it says this will be the largest expansion they will release *for DA*, and much bigger than other DA add-ons.  It does not say it's the biggest expansion ever for any game or any Bio game (uhh, HOTU?) or make any comparison of that sort.

I know. I understood what was meant when it was said that Awakenings is going to be the biggest of all subsequent DA expansions, and I certainly didn't read Bioware as trying to claim that Awakenings was going to be "teH bigestest exPanshun EvAR!!1!"

However, the (admittedly vague) quote seems to suggest that the expansion was going to be fairly meaty, and not just in comparison to 8-hour long shooters. In any case the point of my quoting that interview was to demonstrate that nowhere did anyone from Bioware say anything about a hard number estimate, and certainly not one as low as 15 hours.

Modifié par Darkemorrow, 04 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[_Aine_]

They could settle this right now if they just let me beta test it for them . Come on, I had to try. *hopeful look* What, no? lol



They do say (those elusive "theys" that do studies) that the average game length has dropped in recent years from 12-15 hours to 8-10 hours per game. Not that it may even factor in to BW perception, but you know, a lot of games are exceptionally short. The amount of time you get in the main game if you listen to all the dialogue/cutscenes is really good in comparison, plus you *can* replay as well.



I think if there is any concern that can be called, would be the comparison to the original game to the expansion, in terms of cost. If the game cost x and is Y length then you would hope the ratio would be similar. That said, I like the game enough I am getting it anyway Now, if it didn't seem worth it *after* that, it would be a much harder decision to buy anything further...but I think they know this

[TheMadCat]

Going from the facts Bioware has given us unless there is a drastic change to the games pacing then no I don't see any way it can be 15 hours on a solid playthrough. People who like to speed through, skip quests and dialogue and things like that may have a different result obviously.

With that said you talked about accuracies on this rumor, one thing to remember is the rumor originated from a site in the CZR and while they got the name and release date correct the handful of details they stated were completely wrong or taken out of context. As far as I know that is the lone source on the 15 hour rumor so while something may take 15 hours (I believe the rumor said the main storyline would take 15 hours, which is about 10-15 hours shorter than the OC.) I wouldn't bet any money that the whole expansion is that long.

[lordhugorune]

I'm sure it will be 15 hours if you rush through dialogue, don't do side quests, don't repeat the game, etc.

I've spent over 100 hours on DAO already though, far longer than it's length according to many.

I don't doubt that I will get my money's worth and more with Awakening.

[Sandtigress]

Even if the expansion is 15 hours...I don't know about you guys, but I have at least four characters, probably more like 8, who are going to go through this campaign. That's 8 x 15 or 90 hours of gameplay, and that's not starting an Orlesian Warden or two in addition. Not too shabby for 40 bucks.



My first run through, I felt like DA:O was a tad short at 60 hours, but I'm used to playing RPGs that were 80+ hours of game play. What I realized though was that for a game that encourages multiple run throughs in a way I haven't experienced before, 60 hours is just about perfect. Its short enough that multiple runs are possible, and not so long that its impossible.



15 hours would be fine by me, because if its up to the quality of DA:O, I'll be playing a different story every time I run through it, and still discover new little things almost every time.

[Kal Jenko]

http://www.destructo...ng-160613.phtml



“However, for a single play-through someone sticking to the main story arc I would expect to fall in around 12-15 hours depending on their play style. A completionist that enjoys solving every quest along the way will easily exceed 20 hours of the same level of richly detailed experience they got in Origins.”



That was from an interview posted on the 15 January, so looks to be around the 15 hour mark.

[TheMadCat]

Kal Jenko wrote...


“However, for a single play-through someone sticking to the main story arc I would expect to fall in around 12-15 hours depending on their play style. A completionist that enjoys solving every quest along the way will easily exceed 20 hours of the same level of richly detailed experience they got in Origins.”

Depends on how you read it I guess.

[_Aine_]

Kal Jenko wrote...

http://www.destructo...ng-160613.phtml

“However, for a single play-through someone sticking to the main story arc I would expect to fall in around 12-15 hours depending on their play style. A completionist that enjoys solving every quest along the way will easily exceed 20 hours of the same level of richly detailed experience they got in Origins.”

That was from an interview posted on the 15 January, so looks to be around the 15 hour mark.

Thank you for the quote.    Appreciate it.

Sandtigress wrote...

Even if the expansion is 15 hours...I don't know about you guys, but I have at least four characters, probably more like 8, who are going to go through this campaign. That's 8 x 15 or 90 hours of gameplay, and that's not starting an Orlesian Warden or two in addition. Not too shabby for 40 bucks
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15 hours would be fine by me, because if its up to the quality of DA:O, I'll be playing a different story every time I run through it, and still discover new little things almost every time.

This.  Seriously. I have 9 characters I have KEPT and there were many i got to level 10 or so before deleting to make a new one.    I know I personally will get more than my moneys worth out it.  Still cheaper than a night out, and lasts longer!    

[Nonvita]

Kal Jenko wrote...

http://www.destructo...ng-160613.phtml

“However, for a single play-through someone sticking to the main story arc I would expect to fall in around 12-15 hours depending on their play style. A completionist that enjoys solving every quest along the way will easily exceed 20 hours of the same level of richly detailed experience they got in Origins.”

That was from an interview posted on the 15 January, so looks to be around the 15 hour mark.

Sounds to me like it'll be longer than 15 hours, since that's what they cited for the main quest alone. I go pretty slowly, so I'm sure I'll get plenty more than that out of it. Sounds good!

[wonko33]

Best way not to get ripped off is to wait. Considering what we got for DLC as of yet I think it would very irresponsible to pre-order Awakenings, i think the best thing is just to wait for it to come out and see. There is really no point in speculating or trying to reason out what the expansion should be right now. Basically Bioware is going to to what Bioware is going to do and it will be up to us to decide if it deserves our 40$.