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[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Like I've said before, it's really hard to say how long a game is. I know my playthroughs of Origins were fast for most folks (some forum folks have played it faster). Well below the median. In my playthroughs of Awakening with perfect knowledge of everything (knowing every puzzle, location of widget X, etc) my gameplay length was longer than most single player games I've bought recently. But more importantly, it was full of interesting characters, fun combats, and new places to explore. If you like Origins and want more, Awakening should make you happy.

No offense Ferret, but I notice you gracefully avoided giving an actual number, which is what I and I think a lot of others would like to see.  Just said you did it faster than most will and then went on to distract us from the fact you didn't give a number by pointing out the "good" things in the game.  Basically just trying to sell the game up, and not answer the publics questions

[Deception_2112]

Why would he give a number?



Whoever said Dragon Ages Origin was only 60hrs is way off the mark for me...How hard is it to understand that the gameplay length differs for different people, given that some people just like the rush through the main quest, and others like to take their time. Some also prefer real time combat and others like to micromanage. So how on earth do you quantify something like that?



If i micromanaged every single one of my fights, i'd log a lot more hours than i have atm, if i rushed through the game like a madman, i'll certainly have a lot less hours on my characters

[Booglarize]

Even if it does turn out to be a short game, I think I'm still fairly optimistic on the whole. For one, the Architect does look to be a more interesting (and hopefully more challenging) foe than the Archdemon. fAnd if the companions and other NPCs are as interesting as well (though admittedly it's hard to say for sure based on the short trailers), I think Awakening will be worth it.

[MikeSunrider]

I'm a bit stumped as to why people seem to think they have recieved the privilege to demand stuff they feel entitled too. Soon Game companies will be forced to make Service Level Agreements in order to keep people from complaining.  Which won't really work cause no customer reads the damn thing to begin with anyway.

Is the price hefty? Definately in regards with an expansion. I'd say about 10 bucks overpriced but alas this is the problem with free markets. The majority will decide what people are willing to pay for it and the only thing you can do as individual is either accept it or not buy it at all. That's the choice.

But I wonder, whoever is complaining about things being overpriced, do you all refrain yourselves from buying the A-brands of products?

Modifié par MikeSunrider, 12 février 2010 - 01:22 .

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

For one, I don't think it's too much to ask how long it took Ferret to play through Awakening. I think given his knowledge of things in the game, it would serve a GREAT model of how long it will take someone with no knowledge to complete the game. I see only one reason for not telling us, and that's to protect themselves from a self inflicted wound. If he comes on here and says "yeah, it took me 5 hours" this place is going to go through the roof with people in an uproar. But if he comes on here and says it took him 15 hours even with his knowledge of the game, I'll reserve my copy online right now. But I suspect he won't acknowledge how long it took, and that's fine in a sense from the obvious marketing perspective, it's not fine in a sense of reassuring the consumers who wish to continue to do business with you if you are seemingly hiding things. Anyone seen those commercials for "Car Fax", and the guy buying the car is like, just show me the car fax and the dealer keeps adding little options and avoiding doing it. That's what it feels like here. I ask for a number, and so have others, and all we get back is "more importantly, it was full of interesting characters, fun combats, and new places to explore. If you like Origins and want more, Awakening should make you happy." Just show me the car fax Ferret.

[Zugin]

Heh if he was here for marketing he would just lie, even if its 5 hours he could easily say 20, he just took smoke breaks a lot



If you think it is too much, wait till price drops (it will eventually) and just get it then.

[Proposition_Joe]

amazing...why is this a secret, if they have such a belief in their game being so good that the length doesnt matter to them, why cant they then say it?

I mean if it really doesnt matter to them why one avoiding post after another?



Dont get it?

[Worrow]

I guess they might spill it already if the price were not that steep.

[DragonDefender]

Oh my gosh, is this dead horse still being beaten.

[Proposition_Joe]

Its a simple question, if answered the horse would still be alive...

[DragonDefender]

lulz

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

I doubt this horse will truly die until it's given a number. And then obviously the horse will become a boar when there is outrage if the number is something people find too low. It's obvious BIOWARE seems concerned with the amount of people who may purchase Awakening and I don't see them giving a number. That's "fine" because it seems obvious to me that they know releasing such information will scare off a number of people that were on the fence with buying this. Although I think it shows a lack of faith in your product to hide one aspect of it behind several "other" aspects. If those aspects are so great, why do we filter the information? I think we all know the answer to that......

[spernus]

Awakening will be short,no doubt in my mind.If they said that it's not possible to do an expansion the size of throne of Bhaal which was 15-20 hours,I expect a 7-10 hours expansion at best for awakening.

Modifié par spernus, 13 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[Mercb3ast]

Codex entries being added onto the "gametime" of a play through is silly. If I wanted to read a book I'd buy a book. If a developer wants to add codex type entries into their game, to improve the over all depth of the game, that is fine. It is the sort of thing you come to expect from companies of Biowares calibre. However it should not factor as a main selling point of the game not should it be included in gametime estimates.

This is a game, not a book.

As to the developer quote back on page two or three.

The simple translation to that is, yes it is around 15 hours, but since EA has purchased Bioware, our focus is now to diverge from our bread and butter, depth, length and fantastic story. We prefer short, streamlined, less complex and cheap thrills.

If you can't tell I was highly dissapointed by Mass Effect 2, which is essentially the first game Bioware has released in which the majority of its development cycle was under EA management.

DA:O was released under EA management but the game was still almost entirely a bioware production. I am expecting a sharp decline in the quality of Bioware products now that EA has their meat hooks in. This expansion, 40 dollars for what will actually be 10ish hours of gameplay, remember we gotta count codex entries into the play time! should be interesting and if this is the mark of things to come, here is what you can expect.

Dragon Age 2 will be 20-30 hours of gameplay, like ME2. EA will inform Bioware that based on franchise popularity, why put out a single 60 to 80 hour game every 3 years, when you can throw out a 20 hour game every year AND CHARGE FULL PRICE FOR EACH ONE!

[Giant ambush beetle]

There you go, greed destroys everything good in the world. Times of genius individualists is over.

[Mercb3ast]

Deception_2112 wrote...

Why would he give a number?

Whoever said Dragon Ages Origin was only 60hrs is way off the mark for me...How hard is it to understand that the gameplay length differs for different people, given that some people just like the rush through the main quest, and others like to take their time. Some also prefer real time combat and others like to micromanage. So how on earth do you quantify something like that?

If i micromanaged every single one of my fights, i'd log a lot more hours than i have atm, if i rushed through the game like a madman, i'll certainly have a lot less hours on my characters

Don't include reading codex entries and complete at least 90% of the quests in the game.

I completed Mass Effect 2 doing everything, 100% of the quests avaliable in my playthrough on hardcore difficulty listening to all the dialogue options and even reloading occasionally for different choices, in 28 hours. I am on the low end of things simply because I am pretty handy with FPS games. However that gives you an indication doesn't it? I figure ME2 for people who are not completely incompetant is going to figure to be 25 to 35 hours. That is about half as long as ME1.

I forget what my first DA:O play through was, I also left the game running when I wasn't playing. I would guess I probably knocked it over in 60-70 hours of actual game play completing everything. As far as I am concerned, anything OVER 40 hours for someone of my ilk who doesn't fail repeatedly in combat is the gold standard on a stand alone game. For nearly full price of a stand alone game for an  expansion from Bioware, I expect consistency. I want minimum 20 hours. THIS is the standard Bioware has set. This is what people who bought Baldurs Gate 1 the day it came, and every game since have come to expect. Length + Depth + Excellent Story telling. That is the trinity that has built the Bioware brand.

Simply put, 10 hours of gameplay + some codex entries for 40+ dollars is not value.

I will not be buying Awakening if it is anything less than 17 hours of solid game play at my pace.

[kingsims]

Mass Effect 2 40 hours Including every sidequest 100% explored. Dragon age Origins 65 hours (including all 3 DLC's) 100% explored every sidequest completed except for love letters and stupid garnet collection quest.i did not read all the codex entries i would have rather have had them in a manual to read like a book. I am sure Awakening will be good fun 

Bioware is planning another Dragon age and mass effect in 2011 Q1. the mass effect could be 3rd or expansion pack no one knows as Mass Effect series is about to end as its a planned triolgy there will be no Mass Effect 4. Maybe Dragon age will be a trilogy like Bladurs Gate was intended to be.

Modifié par kingsims, 13 février 2010 - 01:22 .

[Gena Mafer]

It's only going to get worse.



The 'it's cheaper than going to the movies since you can replay it' argument is going to get a lot of mileage-- probably right up to the time in the not-so-distant future when the pieces of games offered at $40 aren't much longer than a movie themselves.

[Dragon Age1103]

MikeSunrider wrote...

I'm a bit stumped as to why people seem to think they have recieved the privilege to demand stuff they feel entitled too. Soon Game companies will be forced to make Service Level Agreements in order to keep people from complaining.  Which won't really work cause no customer reads the damn thing to begin with anyway.

Is the price hefty? Definately in regards with an expansion. I'd say about 10 bucks overpriced but alas this is the problem with free markets. The majority will decide what people are willing to pay for it and the only thing you can do as individual is either accept it or not buy it at all. That's the choice.

But I wonder, whoever is complaining about things being overpriced, do you all refrain yourselves from buying the A-brands of products?

  Yeah but how hard is it to make a quality product. I mean look at Halo Reach or the Halo series at all every game they have increased content, characters, story, & graphics. Reach & AC2 exceed most games when it comes to expansions or sequels. Point being it isn't asking much to get more out of a game or expansion if we pay more. I feel it is over priced & rather not waste my money so I'll skip Awakenign unless reviews give it a 9.5 or higher which i really doubt. Why waste $40 on an expansion when the first game holds so much replay value plus I plan on spening my money on AVP & BC2 since I'll get a lot more for my money.  I hope Bioware takes a hit on Awakening & realizes they need to stop letting EA control just about everything. I was going to buy it with 4 other friends but we all figured why waste the money on a company like Bioware when we can enjoy DX11 games that offer a lot more replay value thanks to multi player.

[Nerdage]

Seems to me there are two solutions here...

Either wait until some reviewers get to try it and see what they say, or just accept that there's no exact answer...

What answer are you looking for? "twelve hours forty-two minutes, with toilet breaks"? I think 14 pages have pretty much exhausted this topic.

[Velvetmeds]

i for one loved ME2, much better than the first. plus, the expansion is not really that expensive; other expansions have the same exact price , like W40k chaos rising for example.

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Obviously this topic has become similar to the way RtO spiraled out of control with no feedback from BIOWARE regarding any answers it's consumers want. With RtO it was BIOWARE ignoring everyone, with this, it's BIOWARE just giving cryptic answers. What happened to better customor support and feedback at these forums?

[Dragon Age1103]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Obviously this topic has become similar to the way RtO spiraled out of control with no feedback from BIOWARE regarding any answers it's consumers want. With RtO it was BIOWARE ignoring everyone, with this, it's BIOWARE just giving cryptic answers. What happened to better customor support and feedback at these forums?

  What support do you want? we get a new 40 second video every week it seems like. We have a description of game content, dev responses, & interviews on other sites.
    Bioware can't give you an exact time or even an estimate of how long Awakenign will take for you simply b/c they do NOT know themselves. They didn't give a time frame for Origins so why would they for Awakening. I don't understand what the people on here want. Your options are give $40 to Bioware or don't give $40 to Bioware.
   Reviews tend to be useless lately since different companies have different review sites in their pocket. Like DA:O is great on ign but on gamespot it is a fantastic & legendary game. on ign MW2 is the king of the world & no other game will ever compare every other site just likes it. lol. So even a review will not give you a reliable time frame for this game. All you can do is watch trailers, read reviews then buy it or don't buy it!!!!

[Hugmejohnny]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...

Obviously this topic has become similar to the way RtO spiraled out of control with no feedback from BIOWARE regarding any answers it's consumers want. With RtO it was BIOWARE ignoring everyone, with this, it's BIOWARE just giving cryptic answers. What happened to better customor support and feedback at these forums?

It's not that simple, there are things they just are NOT allowed to tell us. When you get a cryptic answer it's because someone higher up told them they can't give out that info yet. The fact they TRY to answer should be appriciated. No trying to suck up, but just saying the devs have to deal with some bureaucratic s***.

[Velvetmeds]

let them work on the game, i prefer that over making them reply to all the whining every forum has. you want answers, wait until it's released and check reviews. simple.