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[Giant ambush beetle]

15 hours if you know the game like the back of your hand and only if you follow the main quest as fast and reliable as a guided missile.

I really played slowly and enjoyed the game, I finished at about 85 hours. I only hope for enough quests to keep the game rolling on and on.

[Upper_Krust]

Kal Jenko wrote...

http://www.destructo...ng-160613.phtml

“However, for a single play-through someone sticking to the main story arc I would expect to fall in around 12-15 hours depending on their play style. A completionist that enjoys solving every quest along the way will easily exceed 20 hours of the same level of richly detailed experience they got in Origins.”

That was from an interview posted on the 15 January, so looks to be around the 15 hour mark.

I'm calling them out on that because it just doesn't add up. That would mean you were levelling up (on average) every hour. In Dragon Age you typically level-up after about 25-30 battles (less at lower levels, more at higher levels), and in DAO it made sense to let you level-up fast at the lower levels because you had very few powers at that point. But at higher levels you have lots of powers. Added to which Bioware is letting you rebuild your character at 17-20th level, so its not like you will be missing out on experiencing new powers and spells even from the beginning.

Not saying you couldn't speed run-through it in 12-15 hours (because people can finish DAO in less than 30 hours), but on your first playthrough I fully expect this game to be about 30 hours for the majority of gamers.

If you take into account you'll need to overcome approx. 300+ battles just to complete the game then it doesn't make sense you would be having a fight every 3 minutes (including the time taken to fight the battle that is), which is the frequency needed to defeat 300 battles in 15 hours. If you look at the pacing of DAO, its far more like 10 battles per hour (on average, slightly more in dungeons, obviously less when exploring/questing).

[Wishpig]

Well that settles it. I'm paying the price many full games cost for 10-15 hours worth of gameplay as opposed to $50 dollars for 80 hours.

I'm sorry but that does not add up at all. We are being cheated. No butts or ifs about it. F*** I'm so torn. On one hand I know EA is cheating us, on the other I love the first game. Principles and desire... CLASHING!

Honestly what I'm really really afraid of is that EA will tarnish not only bioware's name, but Dragon Age as a franchise. No denying Dragon Age has been met with constant controversy since Warden's Keep onward.

Modifié par Wishpig, 05 février 2010 - 01:40 .

[TheMadCat]

So wait for the price to drop, problem solved.

[RangerSG]

As I noted before, you do realize that 15 hours is the standard hours rating for an RPG's expansion?



Both NWN2 expansions were rated for 15 hours.

Both NWN1 expansions were rated 15hours.

BG2: Throne of Bhaal was rated 15 hours.



Now I did not complete *any* of these in 15 hours on my first playthrough. So this is nothing but a standard anticipated value. So I would suggest a measure of patience before assuming that the expansion is "too short." It sounds to me like it will be a standard-sized expansion pack (at least). And the quoted price is consistent, on the PC at least, with what expansion packs have typically sold for.

[Nirvana_Dest]

Copied from the "Expanded Information" section on GameSpot referring to Dragon Age: The Awakening"

* A Stunning World Expanded: BioWare’s deepest universe to date just got bigger with an all new area of the world to explore, Amaranthine
o Unlock the secrets of the Darkspawn and their true motivations
o Rebuild the Grey Warden order and establish their base of operations at Vigil’s Keep
* All-new Complex Moral Choices: Embark on an epic story that is completely defined and reactive to your play style
o Shape your entire experience based on the choices you make and how your handle complex situations
* New Ways to Customize your Hero: Experience additional spells, abilities, specializations, and items to further personalize and customize your hero and party
o Import your character from Dragon Age: Origins or start anew as a Grey Warden from the neighboring land of Orlais
o Encounter five all-new party members and an old favorite from Dragon Age: Origins
* Even more Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat: Battle against a new range of horrific and terrifying creatures
o Put your skills to the test against an evolved, intelligent breed of Darkspawn and other menacing creatures including the Inferno Golem and Spectral Dragon!

Advertising "hype" aside, the above seems to imply a epic game.

Modifié par Nirvana_Dest, 05 février 2010 - 02:46 .

[Wishpig]

RangerSG wrote...

As I noted before, you do realize that 15 hours is the standard hours rating for an RPG's expansion?

Both NWN2 expansions were rated for 15 hours.
Both NWN1 expansions were rated 15hours.
BG2: Throne of Bhaal was rated 15 hours.

Now I did not complete *any* of these in 15 hours on my first playthrough. So this is nothing but a standard anticipated value. So I would suggest a measure of patience before assuming that the expansion is "too short." It sounds to me like it will be a standard-sized expansion pack (at least). And the quoted price is consistent, on the PC at least, with what expansion packs have typically sold for.

NwN expansions were multiplayer, heavily increasing replayibilty.

Throne of Bhall was not rated at 15 hours it was rated at 40-50.

From FAQ
Q:
How long is BGII: ToB?

A:The length
of time it will take to play Throne of Bhaal will depend on whether you're
a faster player or a slower one. Depending on your play style, it could
take as long as 40-50 hours.

To be fair, BG2 was a much diffrent breed, made in a much diffrent time technology wise. So not a fair comprison.

Nirvana_Dest wrote...

Copied from the "Expanded Information" section on GameSpot referring to Dragon Age: The Awakening"


* A Stunning World Expanded: BioWare’s deepest universe to date just
got bigger with an all new area of the world to explore, Amaranthine
o Unlock the secrets of the Darkspawn and their true motivations
o Rebuild the Grey Warden order and establish their base of operations at Vigil’s Keep
* All-new Complex Moral Choices: Embark on an epic story that is completely defined and reactive to your play style
o Shape your entire experience based on the choices you make and how your handle complex situations

* New Ways to Customize your Hero: Experience additional spells,
abilities, specializations, and items to further personalize and
customize your hero and party
o Import your character from Dragon Age: Origins or start anew as a Grey Warden from the neighboring land of Orlais
o Encounter five all-new party members and an old favorite from Dragon Age: Origins
* Even more Bone-Crushing, Visceral Combat: Battle against a new range of horrific and terrifying creatures

o Put your skills to the test against an evolved, intelligent breed of
Darkspawn and other menacing creatures including the Inferno Golem and
Spectral Dragon!

Advertising "hype" aside, the above seems to imply a epic game.

So did Two-Worlds.

Modifié par Wishpig, 05 février 2010 - 02:56 .

[Cuddlezarro]

throne of Bhaal was not even close to 40 hours long I would have trouble putting it above 20 hours in length

Shadows of Amn was pretty damn long but throne of Bhaal... no

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 05 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[Wishpig]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

throne of Bhaal was not even close to 40 hours long I would have trouble putting it above 20 hours in length

I think they were including the HUGE dungeon the added into the game... it was called watcher something. That alone was like 5-6 hours of epicness.

[Cuddlezarro]

Watchers keep did take a few hours (I also hated the dungeon but the damn loot was to good to pass up) but you didnt have to do it in throne of Bhaal you could access it in Shadows of Amn



but the rest of ToB was not exactly that long I could beat it in a single afternoon

[RangerSG]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

Watchers keep did take a few hours (I also hated the dungeon but the damn loot was to good to pass up) but you didnt have to do it in throne of Bhaal you could access it in Shadows of Amn

but the rest of ToB was not exactly that long I could beat it in a single afternoon

Exactly. Watcher's Keep could be done at any time and was a stand-alone adventure. The actual story-line of ToB was 15-20 hours.

Which brings up another point, you're comparing the total number of quests that can be done and material with the typical hours rating. But the typical hours rating is "critical path" only. That is, what you *have* to do to finish the game. That's an apples and oranges comparison.

[Bibdy]

wonko33 wrote...

Best way not to get ripped off is to wait. Considering what we got for DLC as of yet I think it would very irresponsible to pre-order Awakenings, i think the best thing is just to wait for it to come out and see. There is really no point in speculating or trying to reason out what the expansion should be right now. Basically Bioware is going to to what Bioware is going to do and it will be up to us to decide if it deserves our 40$.

That's not how life as a fanboy works! You're supposed to buy everything they release, then strap on your cape, launch yourself towards the nearest forum and complain about it for hours every day, in between breaks at work.

[wonko33]

Bibdy wrote...

That's not how life as a fanboy works! You're supposed to buy everything they release, then strap on your cape, launch yourself towards the nearest forum and complain about it for hours every day, in between breaks at work.

I basically wrote that because i am tired of people who whine about this stuff. f you feel it's not worth it don't get it, and your life won't be affected at all. Honestly no matter how good DAO is if I had never played played it it would not be a big deal.

And if it is 15 hours and 40$, but you want it so much that you buy it anyway, guess what? They were right it is worth 40$ afterall since you you paid for it.

Another annoying thing is people who say it's not worth it so they justify themselves stealing it. If something is overpriced it sure doesn't give you the right to steal it.

[Posioned]

wonko33 wrote...

Another annoying thing is people who say it's not worth it so they justify themselves stealing it. If something is overpriced it sure doesn't give you the right to steal it.

That one bugs me the most. Not so much on this forum as in another one I'm on for an enitrely different game. Peeves me all the same though.

[SuperMedbh]

Agreed. It's either worth it or not.



I have to admit, I'm addicted to DA, though. I'd probably pay the $40, even if it were only 10 hours of play. As somebody pointed out earlier, that would multiply for all the characters I have, so the dollars/hour would justify it.



Bottom line will be not how many hours, but how fun they are. Give us lots of intricate plots and decisions, plots that make us laugh and cry, fights that have us clutching our computer mouses, and we'll be happy. Give us a "slog and get loot", and we might start sniffing at other games to while away the late evening insomnia with.

[TheLion36]

The 15 hrs seem to be pointing at the main quest chain, the question is how many sidequests there and how much dialog etc. I have never tried rushing through DA but a lot of the playing time goes into the talking and the doing of sidequests. (I'm also not sure what they understand under the main quest chain, in Ozrammar the quest is to get the dwarves to help, however you cannot do so without crowning a dwarf which takes ages).

I guess unless we get some sort of official confirmation or if we wait for the game to actually come out it is going to be mainly speculation.

Considering a friend told me today he finished Redcliffe, 2 of the DLCs and another main quest in the capitol in 3 hrs I was amazed at first until he told me he used his escape key frequently... I require 1 hr when entering a new area just to chat to the locals...

Wishpig wrote...
NwN expansions were multiplayer, heavily increasing replayibilty.

The 2nd NWN expansion was a single player expansion in which they forgot to turn off the multiplayer option, this made the 2nd expansion a bit of a let down... Not sure anymore if they fixed this later on but nevertheless this fix came too late for a lot of players and it meant that my friends and I never got very far in it on multiplayer.

[0ts0]

Wasn't the original campaign supposed to be 120hrs long?
I completed it in 70-80hrs first run, then 50-60, then 35-40. And yes, I completed most quests. Nothin' out of box.

I really hope the expansion is longer than 15 hrs. 30-40usd is quite much for a 15hrs expansion...

Modifié par 0ts0, 05 février 2010 - 11:06 .

[Azrof Darkwood]

The more the merrier. As long as the options make more play-throughs additionally viable, I'll bite.

[miltos33]

It has been confirmed by the devs that the new level cap will be around 35. Therefore, unless they rework from scratch the way the xp system works in the whole game, which is very unlikely, I can't really see how a high level character can gain more than 10 levels in only 15 hours.

To say that just the main campaign may last about 15 hours sounds more realistic to me.

[Wishpig]

wonko33 wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

That's not how life as a fanboy works! You're supposed to buy everything they release, then strap on your cape, launch yourself towards the nearest forum and complain about it for hours every day, in between breaks at work.

I basically wrote that because i am tired of people who whine about this stuff. f you feel it's not worth it don't get it, and your life won't be affected at all. Honestly no matter how good DAO is if I had never played played it it would not be a big deal.

And if it is 15 hours and 40$, but you want it so much that you buy it anyway, guess what? They were right it is worth 40$ afterall since you you paid for it.

Another annoying thing is people who say it's not worth it so they justify themselves stealing it. If something is overpriced it sure doesn't give you the right to steal it.

1. If someone was always passive, and did nothing when they thought they were being ripped off then people would be ripped off ALLOT more. Take Gears of War 2 map pack, people thought they were being ripped off, and complained enough to have the price lowered. Yes there is a point where whining can get annoying, but theres also a point were it can get things done... rarely but it still can. Frankly we shouldn't put up with the fact PC costs as much as console because that is a blatent rip-off.

2. I'm on the fence, feedback will dictate if I get it. But Dragon Age has been in a sea of obviously sneaky $$$ tactics and controversy sense DA:O's release. Like I said before, I am more concered with the tainting (pun) of Dragon Age as a franchise and bioware as a company... people WILL notice it's allot of money for something that is considerably shorter then the main game.

3. No it does not at all.

PS- bioware has a long habit of stretching the truth of how long the game in question takes to complete. They say 15 hours, but based on pretty much every other one of their releases it could in truth be 10 hours.

Modifié par Wishpig, 05 février 2010 - 11:41 .

[Ibby1kanobi]

Well....Mass Effect 2 took me 30 hours to complete, and that's because I did everything possible.



An expansion being 15 hours? I can see that. And I agree, $40 is way to much for an expansion that delivers 1/3 of the time of the original game which cost $50 dollars.



Either that rumor is completely false and the game adds about 30 hours of gameplay, or were being screwed by EA/Bioware.

[Tekkaman Saber]

Hmm well from what I saw in game without using the allied chest my main character was level 20 (70 hours) towards the end of the game, though after finding the allied chest in my main camp I was able to make her level 25 (required alot of gems, elf roots, death roots, metal shards, ruine stones and gold) but I was able to make her level 25.



I a players was importing a level twenty character it would most likely take around about 40+ hours to reach level 35, though if they was using a level 25 char then I would expect it to take arounds about 30+ hours

[Ayanna Nyx]

Well 15 hours is half the original game nearly. Perhaps it depends on the manner you play it. I've played it several times. The first took me certainly 40 something hours, but I've also completed it in 20. I've just completed it again recently and I was trying to be really thorough and so every task i could, and I managed at about 35 hours. So 15, seems reasonable, as this is not a sequel, its an expansion. But it is quite a price to pay for it, I agree.

[wonko33]

The problem with "digital goods" or services is that it is hard to evaluate the value of them.
So basically what it's worth is what you want to pay for.
I was eager to get DAO and I wanted the Collector's edition (Which I now regret) so I pre-ordered, something I never do usually. I got lucky though and  I've gotten so much for my money, with my 3 characters, i've played close to 200 hours right now, and I haven't completed the game with any of them yet.

But I'll wait for Awakenings, see what it's about first. I hope I won't be all DAOed out by the time it comes out, if so I'll get it on sale in 6-10 months or something.

Modifié par wonko33, 05 février 2010 - 03:13 .

[Finiffa]

Sandtigress wrote...

Even if the expansion is 15 hours...I don't know about you guys, but I have at least four characters, probably more like 8, who are going to go through this campaign. That's 8 x 15 or 90 hours of gameplay, and that's not starting an Orlesian Warden or two in addition. Not too shabby for 40 bucks.

My first run through, I felt like DA:O was a tad short at 60 hours, but I'm used to playing RPGs that were 80+ hours of game play. What I realized though was that for a game that encourages multiple run throughs in a way I haven't experienced before, 60 hours is just about perfect. Its short enough that multiple runs are possible, and not so long that its impossible.

15 hours would be fine by me, because if its up to the quality of DA:O, I'll be playing a different story every time I run through it, and still discover new little things almost every time.

^^ This is exactly the reason I've already pre-ordered it for 25 euro's (which is about $35) and I won't regret it at all. The point is that I think it will be about 20+ hours for me being a completionist BUT the replay value is also high. I have at least 3 chars I wanna play this with PLUS the new Orlesian warden.  I trust Bioware to make a great and engaging expansion, just like the original game.