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[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

Chokra Broodslayer wrote...

But will you be able to expand and further develop a character you've already invested 60+ hours in?

Honestly, none of those games you listed appeal to me. The only one there I would even consider dabbling with would be Final Fantasy XIII and it's doubtful I would even buy it -- I lost interest in that franchise a LONG time ago. When given the choice, I would choose to expand my Dragon Age and make an already great game better than to invest in a new game that will likely get thrown aside in the near future. I'll be playing DAO for years to come.

With all the possible events from the previous game, I have, and still do question how much ability is going to be given to further develop the character as you've put.  Plus if you start with the Orlesian, how much does that really give you for him/her?  Not much.  While I admit, honestly, the only one of those games that even remotely appeals to me is Final Fantasy XIII, and the appeal to that is not even high enough to rate as moderate.  The point of my comment was not really about me specifically, but about the population in general.  While I may be only 1 person and may not be overly interested in those games, how many other people will be, and will see the prices and say to themselves, "I want this game and Awakening, but this is a FULL game and is only a few bucks more", and then they DON'T buy Awakening.  Think of it this way.  You're in Game Stop and they have Dragon Age Origins and it's priced at 59.99, then you see their "used" copy, which is priced at 52.99.  I myself, I buy the new copy, because I want to make sure I get the most out of my money.  I look and see 2 games that I want, one is 40, the other 50 or 60, one I KNOW is a real, full, NEW game, the other is just an add on to a previous game, which is clearly not a full, new game.  What am I going to buy?  The new, FULL product, or the used, add on product?  The choice seems clear to me on what the better deal is when the prices are that similar.  If Awakening were 20, then obviously that's the better buy.  But when it's practically the same prices a brand new, full, new game.  I have to say, that's a bad investment.

[Dragon Age1103]

RPG wise there are a lot of titles over 15 hours just up to the player. Fallout 3, AC, AC2, Oblivion, KotOR, Fable, Fable 2, ME2, X-men legends, & probably a few others I can't think of but all of those games were 20 hours or more for me.

I am confident Awakening will be no less than 20 hours for me. I hope there is enough content, length, story, & character development to not make me regret over paying for this expansion. $50-60-80 hours so $40 better=20 hours or more. I am sorry but no matter how good the story is I want my money in time as well as content. I'm getting screwed out of KotOR 2 so I would like a 20 hours expansion since I am fairly certain Bioware plans to keep offering $5 DLC's every month or so. I really don't think 20 hours is too much to ask for in a over priced expansion.

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

I have a bad feeling that even expecting 15 hours is going to be expecting too much. Think of it like this. If I recall properly, they boasted that DA:O was going to be "well over 100 hours". Okay, so you got say 60. That would be 60%. If you get 60% of what they claim in Awakening, that would put you at 9 hours. The statistics don't lie people. And 9 hours is certainly NOT worth 40 of my dollars. Maybe yours, but not mine. That said, I think I just talked myself out of even being buying it.

[Giant ambush beetle]

That would be almost 5 bucks per hour! 0_o

[rogue1983]

yea the same as the dlc charge. 5 bucks an hour just wraped in one package.EA has took over or bioware is insane with money hunger who knows. but say it ain't true.

Modifié par rogue1983, 09 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[Bling75]

David Gaider wrote...


Whereas I would say that Throne of Bhaal was massively oversized for an expansion. Definitely worth the value, without question, but if you're using that as your baseline then you are probably raising your expectations a bit high. Throne of Bhaal was originally intended to be BG3.

On the flip side, it was BioWare that set that baseline, so you really have no one to blame other than yourselves for our inflated expectations. 

Additionally, I would almost say that threads like this (or at least some of hte concepts expressed herein) are a good example of why game forums are a double edged sword for developers -- you get loads of input, but you have to wade through epic amounts of kevetching in the absence of information.  I mean it's one thing to complain and critique a known product.  Its entirely another to get worked up over something you really know nothign about.  I can only imagine what a BioWare forum could have looked like before ToB came out: "omg you're going to finish the greatest game series ever with an expansion?  you guys are teh suck!"

[darkmax1974]

Gosh... I thought this thread would have ended several pages ago.... and yet it is still here.



It is not quantity, but quality that counts in a game. Especially in RPG.

[flem1]

darkmax1974 wrote...

It is not quantity, but quality that counts in a game. Especially in RPG.

Baloney.  David can say what he wants, but if Dragon Age: Origins were 1/3 the size there's a zero percent chance it would have gotten the ecstatic Game-of-the-Year reception that allowed them to pull this pricing nonsense.

[Querne]

Especilly in RPGs quantity counts for me. If it is too short, there is not enough time to grow fond of companions, tell a deep story and sink in.
A high new lvl cap but little playtime usually means many fights and little story/conversations/cutscenes but the last ones are what I´m really interested in. Standing alone with nothing to do besides killing monsters and nobody to talk but lvl 30 is not my aim in life. At least not in an RPG.

I´m NOT afraid that the expanstion will be too short for the money I pay, I´m afraid that the expansion will be too short. Simply because I´d like to enjoy it as long as possible because waiting for the next expansion will surely take a while.

You need 2 seconds to kill a zombie, but hours to really feel your character in a RPG. That´s why shooters can be 8 hours long and RPGs can´t.

Modifié par Querne, 09 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[John Forseti]

Hmm, Awakening is up on amazon for pre order at £16.99, that seems to be kind of par for expansion costs, especially if I were to reach back into my early-2000s memories. I have a little rule that as long as I get around an hour of good gameplay for every £1 I've spent, things are going well, so if awakening lasts 15 hours I'll be satisfied on that score.

[cruelgretchen]

Well in my book 15hrs for an Rpg is short no matter if it is 'only' an expansion. Not going to say rip off, but ...well has a bad taste.



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[Noviere]

15 hours is fine for me. Would I like more? Of course. I don't expect it though.



Many of the most highly rated console games are under 15 hours... and they are $60.

[Sabriana]

Sorry but the DLC made me very careful about buying add-ons/expansions. I'll wait. I bought WK on impulse, and while a nice little story, it was not worth the price. Yeah, I know it's 'only a cup of coffee' but if I spend .50 cents, I want .50 cents worth in return. It's my money, and I'm on a very tight budget.

I've stayed away from DLC since then, and I'm pretty happy about it, especially after watching a run-through of the latest DLC.

DA:A is listed for 28.90 euros on amazon.de, and that's too much for an expansion as it stands now. So I'll give it a few month, and read up, research, and so on. I'll then make the decision. I'm usually pretty good at resisting impulses, thank goodness. Slipped up once, and regretted it, so that was a good lesson for me.

It also helps that I do not like EA. I've stayed away from their products until DA:O, and if it hadn't been BioWare sailing under their stamp, I'd still be adhering to that policy. I'm still bitter about what they've done to some of my favorite companies, and they weren't helped by me listening to friends about their behavior toward their customers who bought their games.

So I guess my policy is to wait and see. Seeing how much I like DA:O, there's a good chance that I will end up buying it (when/if the price drops), but I will have no problem not buying it either. Life will go on.

[TheLion36]

Its on Play.com for 19,49 euros pre-order, I haven't pre-ordered yet mainly because I have a digital download edition of DA:O (not the Steam version) and I'm not entirely certain a retail expansion will work with it so I'll probably wait until I read somewhere that it does...

Modifié par TheLion36, 09 février 2010 - 01:30 .

[Whitering]

I don't know, I don't feel 5 bucks for 40 minutes or so in Return to Ostagar was a rip off, so 40 bucks for 15 hours, if it plays seamlessly with the game on each new play through is not a big deal. However, someone completed Mass Effect 2 in 11 hours and their Commander Shepard and most of their companions died at the end heh

I don't know it's not a big deal if there is replayabilty.

Modifié par Whitering, 09 février 2010 - 02:06 .

[Sabriana]

Thanks Lion. I'll look into that.

To me, it matters how the story plays out, and a short exp usually means lacking in content. Like the DLC. To me, personally, anyhow. It's really all speculation for now at any rate. I will wait and see, read reviews, opinions, etc. That way, I have no cause to complain or feel like I've not gotten my money's worth.

Edited:

Looked into it. A good price, but my DA:O is German, I wonder if that could be a problem. It's installed in English (to keep my language skills up), but the game was bought in Germany.

Modifié par Sabriana, 09 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[Dilling3r]

15 hour story arc isnt really what i like to see, but you can rush through dragon age in around 25 hours too for the main story arc, yet most people finish around 50 hours, so who knows.

[Wishpig]

Dilling3r wrote...

15 hour story arc isnt really what i like to see, but you can rush through dragon age in around 25 hours too for the main story arc, yet most people finish around 50 hours, so who knows.

Well, given that the esitimated average for DA:O was 50 hours... that is a bad example. What does that say about an estimated 15 hour story arc?

[JKJEDIKNIGHT]

I just don't see how Awakening is a good investment in any sense. You're getting less game, for almost the same amount of money. I remember seeing before DA:O was released the claim from BIOWARE that a person was going to need 80 hours in DA:O. The average person probably really only spent 35-40. Now with Awakening, they are saying 15. The percentages don't lie people. You're going to pay for a full game, and get 9 hours tops. And while that may be okay in some games, it's not okay in an RPG, it's just not. What GOOD RPG is short? Can anyone give an example? And yes, BIOWARE has said point blank, that this is not a full game. Okay, so stop charging people like it is maybe? I hate to be spiteful, but at this point given the marketing strategy here, I hope Awakening gets murdered by Final Fantasy XIII or something else coming out in March, then maybe BIOWARE can get someone above a 4th grade reading level as their Marketing Manager.

[David Gaider]

JKJEDIKNIGHT wrote...
You're going to pay for a full game, and get 9 hours tops. And while that may be okay in some games, it's not okay in an RPG, it's just not. What GOOD RPG is short? Can anyone give an example?

What good RPG? Or what good RPG expansion?

We don't have a say on what is charged for an expansion, and you have every right to decide what you think is worthwhile for you to pay for, but I suspect that "% of original game length = % of original price" is not the formula used... not for this expansion or any expansion that I know of.

And yes, BIOWARE has said point blank, that this is not a full game. Okay, so stop charging people like it is maybe? I hate to be spiteful, but at this point given the marketing strategy here, I hope Awakening gets murdered by Final Fantasy XIII or something else coming out in March, then maybe BIOWARE can get someone above a 4th grade reading level as their Marketing Manager.

Gosh. With that kind of persuasive talk, I just don't see how we couldn't scramble to accomodate you.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I think I'll wait for some reviews first before buying DAA, seems like the best solution to this issue.  

[Ponce de Leon]

What good RPG is short?

Fallout : never finished it before this week. Installed it on Sunday, at 12 PM, finished it the same day, on 8 PM, without playing the whole day. Very short, but very cool.

Fallout 2 did last a bit longer, in fact I played it for 5 days before finishing it.

My first completed run of Dragon Age lasted... 4 days. From Thursday to Sunday, 25 hours and 20 minutes of gameplay.

[Godak]

I can't think of a single expansion that wasn't over-priced if you compare its content to the content of the original game.

[MadLaughter]

Dragon Age: 60 bucks for 60 hours. Like ten Characters.

Awakening: 40 bucks for 15 hours. Five Characters?



You know why some games get away with ten hours?

-online multiplayer

-INCREDIBLE graphics

-Very dense. nonstop action



Awakening is overpriced. It has none of the above.

[Godak]

dark-lauron wrote...

My first completed run of Dragon Age lasted... 4 days. From Thursday to Sunday, 25 hours and 20 minutes of gameplay.

That had to be so unfufilling. I spent at least 120 hours on my first play through.