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[EternalWolfe]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...


Dragon Age has been in production for years and it was in production when Bioware and EA teamed up. It has the EA logo during the beginning of the game.  How is the import character crap? it does what it is meant to do carry over the choices you made from the first game. It makes sense that if you want to fix it you should have to make different choices in the first game. It's all about dealing with your choices you made

no, Im saying I wanted to edit the character itself, not the choices which made the customizer crap because you couldn't customize the imported character unless you went back to ME1 and created your character that way and then tried to keep all your choices and then go to ME2 (but I am talking about the looks, not choices)

and thats my point wiht DA:O it was in production long before EA got their claws on Bioware

Except you can edit your character's looks in the second game.  Right at the beginning.

[Sean]

EternalWolfe wrote...

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...


Dragon Age has been in production for years and it was in production when Bioware and EA teamed up. It has the EA logo during the beginning of the game.  How is the import character crap? it does what it is meant to do carry over the choices you made from the first game. It makes sense that if you want to fix it you should have to make different choices in the first game. It's all about dealing with your choices you made

no, Im saying I wanted to edit the character itself, not the choices which made the customizer crap because you couldn't customize the imported character unless you went back to ME1 and created your character that way and then tried to keep all your choices and then go to ME2 (but I am talking about the looks, not choices)

and thats my point wiht DA:O it was in production long before EA got their claws on Bioware

Except you can edit your character's looks in the second game.  Right at the beginning.

not tht imported characters current face

its either start from scratch when customizing it and starting it with presets or just dealing with the current face

[EternalWolfe]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

not tht imported characters current face

its either start from scratch when customizing it and starting it with presets or just dealing with the current face

Ah, my mistake.  I thought you meant being able to change it at all.

[newcomplex]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

then, like the other guy said, they failed at listening to their true customers and not the ones they wanted that weren't fans originally

As opposed to their FAKE customers?

Grow the **** up kid.    You have no idea how pathetic you guys are acting.     

I've bough every single bioware game except MDK since Baldurs gate.    The crux of your behavior suggests that if you like Mass Effect 2 (which 85% of this forum does, which is quite impressive because forums will represent a higher precentage of people unhappy with their product, happy customers don't post as actively), your intellectually inferior, a twitch kiddy, and not a true bioware fan.

Grow up.     You're acting like a child.   Mass Effect 2, I assure you, was NOT rushed.    Believe it or not, game designers have independent visions for their games.      Mass Effect 2 is in precisely the state it logically would be, given the trajectory of Mass Effect 1.     Mass Effect one was, in all aspects, an attempt to create a dumbed down rpg shooter, without the mind-boggling systems seen in games like system shock or deus ex.     

You're looking at a game which stripped away a classical inventory system in favor of a combat item only one, with metagel.    You're so dillusional its actually quite depressing.     When ME1 came out, many players, in the position you are right now, heralded the same complaints, that Mass Effect was a bastardization of all the core values of Bioware, in an attempt to cater to the masses, removing an formal inventory system in favor of a incredibly clunky and brainless weaponry only inventory.    Of course, the new inventory system was just as clunky as a normal one, so the developers sought to rethink their system.   The current one is the result.     '

Also, blaming EA for everything you personally dislike about ME2 is also pretty delusional.    Look at this chart

http://kotaku.com/54...n-2009-[update]

Modifié par newcomplex, 04 février 2010 - 09:34 .

[Sean]

newcomplex wrote...

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

then, like the other guy said, they failed at listening to their true customers and not the ones they wanted that weren't fans originally

As opposed to their FAKE customers?

Grow the **** up kid.    You have no idea how pathetic you guys are acting.     

I've bough every single bioware game except MDK since Baldurs gate.    The crux of your behavior suggests that if you like Mass Effect 2 (which 85% of this forum does, which is quite impressive because forums will represent a higher precentage of people unhappy with their product, happy customers don't post as actively), your intellectually inferior, a twitch kiddy, and not a true bioware fan.

Grow up.    

I meant original, not the ones they are trying to get that didn't like ME1

[Youmu]

So what about the people who loved ME1, and love ME2 even more? Are they some kind of hybrid fake-true customers?

[Sean]

Youmu wrote...

So what about the people who loved ME1, and love ME2 even more? Are they some kind of hybrid fake-true customers?

you can still like the game, BUT they could've done better, there are a lot of flaws that weren't in ME1, but there are flaws that were fixed in ME2 that were in ME1

[newcomplex]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Youmu wrote...

So what about the people who loved ME1, and love ME2 even more? Are they some kind of hybrid fake-true customers?

you can still like the game, BUT they could've done better, there are a lot of flaws that weren't in ME1, but there are flaws that were fixed in ME2 that were in ME1

And how the **** do you propose we fix those flaws?

By listening to people.   

And by people, we mean "everyone", not just "you?

Modifié par newcomplex, 04 février 2010 - 09:35 .

[Sean]

newcomplex wrote...

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Youmu wrote...

So what about the people who loved ME1, and love ME2 even more? Are they some kind of hybrid fake-true customers?

you can still like the game, BUT they could've done better, there are a lot of flaws that weren't in ME1, but there are flaws that were fixed in ME2 that were in ME1

And how the **** do you propose we fix those flaws?

By listening to people.   

And by people, we mean "everyone", not just "you?

but a lot of the supposed flaws weren't flaws at all and just basic parts of the game

[Makoto SFG]

FireSarge wrote...

i have no problems with the improved combat system. i have a problem with the axe to everything else. Bioware changed target auidience mid series and it shows end of story.

The axe to everything else?  WTF are you smoking?

Give a list of everything they "axed".  I guarantee it will be a short one.
Also, some of the things that some of you people think Bioware cut were actually modified and improved.  There's a word for this, it's called evolution.  In the dev's minds they thought they were making improvements.  What designer in their right mind would say, "Hmmm Mass Effect was a success, now that we're planning the sequel, let's make it as ****ty a successor as possible in order to infuriate all of those who enjoyed the first one."

Seriously?  The axe to everything else?  Someone needs to take an axe to your head.

[rmp]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

The elevators! Did they actually listen to the tards that didn't know that was a load screen? The elevators were not so bad compared to these load screens they are giving us.

Uh, yeah the elevators were annoying and terrible.

Load screens now last 10 seconds, elevators lasted much longer.

If they're shorter now, it's only because the areas are so much smaller.

[Youmu]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

you can still like the game, BUT they could've done better, there are a lot of flaws that weren't in ME1, but there are flaws that were fixed in ME2 that were in ME1

Sure, I'll agree with that. There is stuff that ME1 nailed, that ME2 got wrong, but ME2 fixed more stuff from ME1 than it broke, to me, making ME2 the better game. And of course, they could've always done better. No matter how awesome game they push out, there will be complaints from someone.

I just don't agree with the "omg me2 is terrible me1 is lot better!!!1"-sentiment that seems to be shouted out by the loud minority.

Modifié par Youmu, 04 février 2010 - 09:40 .

[lessthanjake9]

There's a rather silly notion that a game cannot be an rpg if it has GOOD combat. Why would anyone complain that a game where you shoot and use cover plays like Gears of War? Gears of War does that combat better than any other game. Would you rather the combat sucked so that the story and characters were more important relatively speaking than the combat? Of course not. Mass Effect was never a hardcore D&D style RPG. It was always a shooter game when it came to combat. ME2 just made combat a good version of that instead of an only okay one like ME1 was.

[Drakron]

Faust1979 wrote...
Dragon Age has been in production for years and it was in production when Bioware and EA teamed up.

By TEAMED you mean BROUGHT since that was what happened.

And giving me another reason to hate Bono ....

Also in EA defense I was inclined to say Dragon Age was vaporware as until EA come around development of it looked like Duke Nuken Forever, at least thet put the game out.

[Collider]

I'm very glad that Bioware listened. ME2 is so much better for it.

[Xaenn]

Very interesting. Have to say, far less then 85% of the forum likes Mass Effect 2, maybe 60% if you're lucky. But I'm not a Mass Effect 2 hater, just a bit of an exaggeration.

I once partook in these silly combative arguments, but seeing now, both sides think their opinions are fact and both sides are wrong. Mass Effect was a balance Action/RPG, Mass Effect 2 is Action with RPG element, like comparing apples to oranges Mass Effect 2 is not better then one, nor is one better then two. -.-

Not to mention you have two different type of genre people arguing with each other, sigh.  My personal opinion I enjoyed one overall more, but two made a lot of improvements, combining the two hopefully willl bring great results.

Modifié par Xaenn, 04 février 2010 - 09:52 .

[Rykef]

ME2 is almost a complete improvement over ME1, I liked the elevators even if they did take a touch longer to load



The arguments coming from the ME2 sucks crowd are all mechanics that are dated an uninteresting, things like having an excessive inventory and digging through corpses for new items!



The only game that in my opinion got the loot system right was Fallout 3, you took what the people had on them literally and it felt like you really were stealing their items from their dead bodies

[Xaenn]

Rykef wrote...

ME2 is almost a complete improvement over ME1, I liked the elevators even if they did take a touch longer to load

The arguments coming from the ME2 sucks crowd are all mechanics that are dated an uninteresting, things like having an excessive inventory and digging through corpses for new items!

The only game that in my opinion got the loot system right was Fallout 3, you took what the people had on them literally and it felt like you really were stealing their items from their dead bodies

Perfect example of someone who thinks their opinion is fact. =D

[Youmu]

Xaenn wrote...

Very interesting. Have to say, far less then 85% of the forum likes Mass Effect 2, maybe 60% if you're lucky. But I'm not a Mass Effect 2 hater, just a bit of an exaggeration.

63% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Modifié par Youmu, 04 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Xaenn]

Youmu wrote...

Xaenn wrote...

Very interesting. Have to say, far less then 85% of the forum likes Mass Effect 2, maybe 60% if you're lucky. But I'm not a Mass Effect 2 hater, just a bit of an exaggeration.

63% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Interesting besides making my statistic obviously  up on the spot making your retort pointless, nice try. I even through a "maybe," and "if you're lucky," in there.  Guess you didn't see it

[Endurance_117]

Xaenn wrote...

Youmu wrote...

Xaenn wrote...

Very interesting. Have to say, far less then 85% of the forum likes Mass Effect 2, maybe 60% if you're lucky. But I'm not a Mass Effect 2 hater, just a bit of an exaggeration.

63% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Interesting besides making my statistic obviously  up on the spot making your retort pointless, nice try. I even through a "maybe," and "if you're lucky," in there.  Guess you didn't see it

you must have missed that poll around 85% liked the game

[Xaenn]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Xaenn wrote...

Youmu wrote...

Xaenn wrote...

Very interesting. Have to say, far less then 85% of the forum likes Mass Effect 2, maybe 60% if you're lucky. But I'm not a Mass Effect 2 hater, just a bit of an exaggeration.

63% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Interesting besides making my statistic obviously  up on the spot making your retort pointless, nice try. I even through a "maybe," and "if you're lucky," in there.  Guess you didn't see it

you must have missed that poll around 85% liked the game

Perhaps I did, although I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not.  Would be interesting to see this poll and seeing how many people vote, not 200 people voted and 85% people liked it. -.o

If this pole is legit I owe the man an apology!

Modifié par Xaenn, 04 février 2010 - 10:10 .

[Gaddmeister]

Faust1979 wrote...

 the loot system sucks fix it! do something different!

why did you take out all the loot? what happened here?! 

the shooting mechanics suck fix it!

why is this game so focused on action? it's just a  gears of war clone!

the did everything that the complainers of the first game wanted and people still complain about it

Why do you need loot? You scan weapons and stuff so that you can research upgrades on the Normandy. I think it's refreshing to see another aproach for once, instead of the usual overload of junk you just sell to merchants anyway. Sure, some more armours would have been nice, especially for the squad mates, but I'll live.

The shooting mechanics suck? What are you comparing to? Not ME1, right? Because that game was not very strong in the combat area.

This game is focused on action because it is an action game with rpg elements. I'd say ME1 had about the same amount of action during the missions, only it was slower paced and felt clumsy and awkward. Also, it took place in repetitive and uninspiring areas.

[cavallodispade]

Faust1979 wrote...

 the loot system sucks fix it! do something different!

why did you take out all the loot? what happened here?! 

the shooting mechanics suck fix it!

why is this game so focused on action? it's just a  gears of war clone!

the did everything that the complainers of the first game wanted and people still complain about it

i think they fixed the loot. now the selection of armaments is actually more diverse because the different guns actually behave differently.

as for the action, i love the combat.