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[allquixotic]

andy christo wrote...

I didn't look any of the answers up on the internet, I just used common sense and practical thinking.
When it asks for a tech specialist to hack the door I knew there were only two choices. Legion or Tali. I chose Legion because he's a geth, I considered him to be more expendable then Tali. (he survived by the way.)
When it asked for a leader for team 2, I always picked Garrus. He was in the Turian military for years and worked with C-sec. He succesfully led a small team of vigilantes on Omega and wrecked the mercs and gangs there. The only reason his team got killed on Omega was Sedonis betraying him.
When it asked me to choose someone to create a biotic shield to protect us from the swarms I knew you had to choose Jack or Samarra. I chose Samarra because she's a 1000-year-old Asari Justicar. Though I'm pretty sure Jack would have worked as well. Both deciding to have Garrus lead team 2 and choosing Samarra payed off for me.
When given the option to have someone guide the survivors back to the ship I chose Jack because I remembered the carnage she caused on Purgatory. She was single-handedly blasting through walls and laying battle mechs and gaurds out... Though I think you can choose any member and they will survive for this one.

My whole crew survived.

But who's to decide who is good at what? You can rationalize all you want, but some of the opportunities for loss are really cheap.

I had everyone loyal (except Miranda, but she didn't die), and lost 3 people: Zaeed, Legion and Jack.

I picked Legion to crawl through the tunnels, and IMHO I did the mission where you have to open the gates pretty quickly. I was able to tag every control panel before the bar had passed the 75% time remaining mark. But when Legion met up with my squad, he got shot right as the door was closing.

Then I had Zaeed as the second fire team leader, because he was the leader of the friggen Blue Suns for crying out loud, so why isn't he a badass leader? Right, anyway, Zaeed died basically the same way as Legion: there was a door closing and the last bullet through killed him. Kind of cheap considering I never saw his kinetic barriers go down.

Then I picked Jakob to put up the biotic shield, and he did a right fine job of that, but at the very end of the mission, Jack, who was in my party, got swarmed and carried away by the Seeker drones. WTF? She was behind the shield with me for the entire mission.

So I agree 100% with the OP that there wasn't another Vermire, and the losses I suffered in the ending were arbitrary, not based on skill, and not because I made poor choices. You can argue in favor of almost any party member serving any role, except the people with no tech powers would make a poor tech specialist, and the people with no biotic powers would make a poor biotic specialist. But I don't see how Zaeed was "teh wrong choice lulz so he has to die", and I completely fail to understand the other two deaths.

[Majpain007]

ME 2 was much more epic in my opinion. As I stated in another thread they did make it more emotionally engaging.



Hell I had to stop talking to Tali because she wanted to get serious and I didn't want to cheat on my first playthrough and I didn't want to reject her. She is too cute to say no.

[deusofnull]

Wait for ME3. I hope that a DLC will be added as a connection between the two games.

[andy christo]

allquixotic wrote...

andy christo wrote...

I didn't look any of the answers up on the internet, I just used common sense and practical thinking.
When it asks for a tech specialist to hack the door I knew there were only two choices. Legion or Tali. I chose Legion because he's a geth, I considered him to be more expendable then Tali. (he survived by the way.)
When it asked for a leader for team 2, I always picked Garrus. He was in the Turian military for years and worked with C-sec. He succesfully led a small team of vigilantes on Omega and wrecked the mercs and gangs there. The only reason his team got killed on Omega was Sedonis betraying him.
When it asked me to choose someone to create a biotic shield to protect us from the swarms I knew you had to choose Jack or Samarra. I chose Samarra because she's a 1000-year-old Asari Justicar. Though I'm pretty sure Jack would have worked as well. Both deciding to have Garrus lead team 2 and choosing Samarra payed off for me.
When given the option to have someone guide the survivors back to the ship I chose Jack because I remembered the carnage she caused on Purgatory. She was single-handedly blasting through walls and laying battle mechs and gaurds out... Though I think you can choose any member and they will survive for this one.

My whole crew survived.

But who's to decide who is good at what? You can rationalize all you want, but some of the opportunities for loss are really cheap.

I had everyone loyal (except Miranda, but she didn't die), and lost 3 people: Zaeed, Legion and Jack.

I picked Legion to crawl through the tunnels, and IMHO I did the mission where you have to open the gates pretty quickly. I was able to tag every control panel before the bar had passed the 75% time remaining mark. But when Legion met up with my squad, he got shot right as the door was closing.

Then I had Zaeed as the second fire team leader, because he was the leader of the friggen Blue Suns for crying out loud, so why isn't he a badass leader? Right, anyway, Zaeed died basically the same way as Legion: there was a door closing and the last bullet through killed him. Kind of cheap considering I never saw his kinetic barriers go down.

Then I picked Jakob to put up the biotic shield, and he did a right fine job of that, but at the very end of the mission, Jack, who was in my party, got swarmed and carried away by the Seeker drones. WTF? She was behind the shield with me for the entire mission.

So I agree 100% with the OP that there wasn't another Vermire, and the losses I suffered in the ending were arbitrary, not based on skill, and not because I made poor choices. You can argue in favor of almost any party member serving any role, except the people with no tech powers would make a poor tech specialist, and the people with no biotic powers would make a poor biotic specialist. But I don't see how Zaeed was "teh wrong choice lulz so he has to die", and I completely fail to understand the other two deaths.

I thought about using Zaeed but he is a downloadable character. I figured he wouldn't be useful because some people might not have him, it wouldn't be fair to make him a necesarry option because if you needed him to get passed a certain part of the game succesfully you would HAVE to download him.
Jacob is a biotic but he's not nearly as powerful as Jack, or Samara...
I think Legion may have died because you chose Zaeed as the second team leader.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm not claiming to have the science of the situation down. I'm just explaining how I personally handled the situation.

If you really want the answers you can go here.
http://masseffect.wi..._Effect_2_Guide
The very bottom will explain the suicide mission.

[Brutalise]

I think the whole end game was a virmire deal. I felt very tense worried that whom I choose will get the team killed, or maybe I didn't get all the upgrades, or maybe there was something I should've said diffriently in the speach(s), and that last long jump for the Normandy and that collectors ship blowing sky high with Collectors right on you firing I was worried as hell my Shep would get pinned and fall to his death or something.

I will say the whole Collectors are the Protheans... didn't find it that shocking. Before it is even revielved that they are, I remember a side quest find an acient protean mini pyramid and he has another vision but you see Collector drones being slaughterd. So that had be guessing they were already.

Also, maybe it was just me, but with Garrus's side loyal mission, the ending where you're talking to the guy and Garrus is dead set on killing him, I found it to be very intesne deciding wether or not to let him take the shot or help the poor guy out.

[Gill Kaiser]

I have no idea why anyone would choose anyone except Jack or Samara for the biotic job. I mean, it's just common sense. I simply don't understand how people could fail to choose one of those two.

[Myrmedus]

Agree with above - you use a pure Adept for a biotic job. I picked Jack since she was described as being ridiculously powerful.

[Raezaiel]

me1 story sucked until virmire, i agree.

[Zhijn]

Yeh the ending didnt really leave room for failure.
Its pretty clear who can lead, who is a tech and bio if you listen to their stories. =)

I mean not doing the loyalty missions is just a big setup for someone to die and skip a good portion of the game itself. Same with the ship upgrades. Its like giving me full control on who should die and how, or my own death.

It didnt really do it for me, id rather be forced to make a choice as it'll make me care (like virmire in ME1). If i gotta do all the dirty work, well it just boring since i know whats coming and how.

Completed 2 games now without anyone dying (Paragon/Renegade), now its time to skip loyalty and what not to get everyone killed (neutral?). Lol.

Modifié par Zhijn, 04 février 2010 - 11:58 .

[Sidney]

allquixotic wrote...
But who's to decide who is good at what? You can rationalize all you want, but some of the opportunities for loss are really cheap.

Yep, I agree that the "they die" and "they live" options are sorta silly in the final mission and were a real let down. I sent Garrus (lost him), used Jacob and got Legion killed (WTF) and Zaeed (lost him) despite the fact that all 3 are perfectly well suited to do the job at hand. There's just some arbitrary bit that says "live or die" and that really sorta sucks because that isn't something really under my control.

Modifié par Sidney, 05 février 2010 - 12:08 .

[Sidney]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I have no idea why anyone would choose anyone except Jack or Samara for the biotic job. I mean, it's just common sense. I simply don't understand how people could fail to choose one of those two.

Miranda states clearly that "any biotic" can do the job. Sounds like an open invitation to me..

I sent Jacob because, frankly, he's a tool and I wanted the killing power of Samara with my during the fight and not just playing Sue Richards for the mission.

[RequiemValorum]

Sidney wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I have no idea why anyone would choose anyone except Jack or Samara for the biotic job. I mean, it's just common sense. I simply don't understand how people could fail to choose one of those two.

Miranda states clearly that "any biotic" can do the job. Sounds like an open invitation to me..

I sent Jacob because, frankly, he's a tool and I wanted the killing power of Samara with my during the fight and not just playing Sue Richards for the mission.

Thats just a red herring to make you think that any of the biotics could do it.  But if you pay full attention to the story there are clear markers that make jack and the justicar 'special' 'powerful' biotics making them a safer choice.

I also think it's miranda's pride playing with her to make that remark.  She would never be able to face that she couldn't do something.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think it's actually good that they didn't go with the virmire / leviathan level formula in ME2. It would have been too predictable if ME2 progressed the same way as ME1.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah, first time through on the suicide mission I'd lost most of the crew because I had no idea about the mission limit. I also lost Zaeed because I put him in charge of the diversion team, not realizing that I should've stuck with Jacob or Garrus (well, from his talk about his past I knew that Zaeed had successfully led merc teams, etc. - but oops). It was quite exciting for me at least, because I didn't read any spoilers/look up info about what to do.

[Coopjns]

I felt really dumb for telling the Quarians to fight the Geth when Legion told me that there were two different factions of Geth... not quite the same, but it is something they could play up highly in ME3

[KnightofPhoenix]

Coopjns wrote...

I felt really dumb for telling the Quarians to fight the Geth when Legion told me that there were two different factions of Geth... not quite the same, but it is something they could play up highly in ME3

I think the Quarrian Geth issue will be revisited. The game hints at it alot. I do not think that your word at the hearing was final. Admiral xen sends you an email either thanking you, or telling you that humanity will not be well once the Quarrians take control of the Geth (cause she seemingly acquired the technology to do so).

Admiral Xen is voiced by Claudia Black. No way they brought her here just to do some lines. I am pretty sure that in ME3, we would either side with the Geth against the Quarrians, or side with Xen and the Quarrians against the Geth (by taking control of them), or (hopefully) settling the dispute and using both against the reapers (but you would have to kill Admiral Xen before doing that, convince Admiral Herrel and side with that admiral of Qwib Qwib).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[Sidney]

RequiemValorum wrote...

Thats just a red herring to make you think that any of the biotics could do it.  But if you pay full attention to the story there are clear markers that make jack and the justicar 'special' 'powerful' biotics making them a safer choice.

I also think it's miranda's pride playing with her to make that remark.  She would never be able to face that she couldn't do something.

They are "supposed" to be more powerful but there's nothing about them more powerful in-game.

[JKoopman]

Sidney wrote...

RequiemValorum wrote...

Thats just a red herring to make you think that any of the biotics could do it.  But if you pay full attention to the story there are clear markers that make jack and the justicar 'special' 'powerful' biotics making them a safer choice.

I also think it's miranda's pride playing with her to make that remark.  She would never be able to face that she couldn't do something.

They are "supposed" to be more powerful but there's nothing about them more powerful in-game.

When you're asked to make your decisions, you need to consider the characters' story abilities, not their in-game abilities.

Jack's recruitment mission has her single-handedly bringing down a space station with her biotics and Samara's has her levitating around the room throwing mercs like ragdolls. Jacob's only use of biotics outside of gameplay is lifting a LOKI mech on the Lazarus station. He's a biotic but he's not what anyone would call a "powerful biotic".

I too am profoundly stumped how anyone could NOT choose Tali/Legion as the tech specialist or Jack/Samara for the biotic specialist. If you read the little character descriptions on the selection screen it practically spells it out for you.

That said, my first time through the Collector base I chose Thane as the specialist because I completely missed the tech requirement and only thought I needed someone good at stealth overall. I also chose Zaeed for the second squad leader thinking that he had plenty of experience leading mercs and plenty of skill to back it up. I'm sure now that Thane was a bad choice (seeing as he has no tech skills whatsoever) and I'm not sure whether Zaeed was a bad choice too but ultimately it resulted in Thane being sniped while the door was closing. I just reloaded and spared more than a half-second of thought about the choices my second time through and ended up with everyone surviving.

The fact that the choices were so obvious is actually why I found the ending rather lacking in tension.

Modifié par JKoopman, 05 février 2010 - 05:11 .

[Sidney]

Well in another "ooops you didn't pick the pre-determined one" I took Legion to the final fight. Makes sense, sniper, high armor penetration weapon, combat drone to help me conserve ammo, bonus shielding. Seemed logical. He survived the final battle only to die in the big explosion where you go and lift the stuff off your teammates....no achivement. %%$^%&%^ now explain that to me?

[Sidney]

JKoopman wrote...

I too am profoundly stumped how anyone could NOT choose Tali/Legion as the tech specialist or Jack/Samara for the biotic specialist. If you read the little character descriptions on the selection screen it practically spells it out for you.

I chose Garrus on the chance that the game would go all Resident Evil and have me jump into his shoes for a bit he had tech skills and a better survivability than Tali would.

Again when the game tells you "any biotic can do it" why do you doubt that comment given the speaker? Oh right, because Miranda has been wrong so many times before in the game or heck even in the mission? In fact, it is her "take me as the leader" option that actually does work in the diversionary team so she has all the credibility on decision making.

There's no possible reason Zaeed shouldn't be able to lead a fire team. Heck, he's the only one that has likely held that exact job and there's nothing in game or character story that would change that..

And as I just posted there's no reason Legion should die in a post-mission cutscene when squishy little meatbags do survive that crash.

I think it makes sense if you send Zaeed as your tech specialist or assign Jack as a fire team lead things should go wrong- and maybe if you do things go even more wrong- but a lot of this stuff seems awfully arbitrary short of real-world rationalizations.

[Zentrasi]

I found ME2 to have a lot of smaller reveal moments rather than one big monumental one as in ME1. I enjoyed both games.



Some of the coolest reveals in ME2 for me:



- The very start of the game when you watch your death, then to be reborn as a cyborg!

- Collectors are Protheans (wasn't that shocking but was still cool)

- Finding out the Ardat-Yakshi was actually Samara's daughter, then getting to choose between them in the final confrontation.

- Finding out Archangel is Garrus. (Not huge, I know, but was still something cool).

[Zentrasi]

Sidney wrote...

Well in another "ooops you didn't pick the pre-determined one" I took Legion to the final fight. Makes sense, sniper, high armor penetration weapon, combat drone to help me conserve ammo, bonus shielding. Seemed logical. He survived the final battle only to die in the big explosion where you go and lift the stuff off your teammates....no achivement. %%$^%&%^ now explain that to me?

 Discussion on another thread about the ending seems to suggest that it may in fact be random at the very end. Some players have reported taking Mordin along and having him survive whilst others have had him die in the same fight.

[Sidney]

Zentrasi wrote...
 Discussion on another thread about the ending seems to suggest that it may in fact be random at the very end. Some players have reported taking Mordin along and having him survive whilst others have had him die in the same fight.

Ugh, god that is even worse than having some pre-determined live or die settings.

[mundus66]

I though this game had many "big" reveals. The fact that the Rachni Wars was caused by the reapers came as a suprise. The Collectors are actually protheans. Reapers are hyrbrids of organic and synthetic and they take the form of the race, they use to create them. It was only a small part of the geth that actually joined Saren (i though all of them was allied with Saren and Sovreign). And so on.