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[the_one_54321]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
But you're assuming that it's an entity.

No, I am not. I am treating it as a concept that has measurable influence on life.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Edit: You also, there, just assumed the existence of something called society, which I also don't accept.  We're individuals.  We are not a group.

Again, I find a fundamental flaw that precludes further debate. Groups exist simultaneously with the esixtence of the individual. And the refusal of the acceptance of society (my belief that such refusal is comeletely ridiculous nothwithstanding) completely eliminates any attempt at reasonable debate.

[aries1001]

To put a bit of a perspective on this, my movie theater (cinema) is charging 5-10 bucks more for a film (or movie) that last longer than the average 90 minutes. I clearly remember paying at least 5 bucks more to see the new Harry Potter movie (last summer that is).



And I don't think I have ever paid 20 US dollars for an expansion bought at my local gamestop store.

[I've once paid 10 US dollars for Mysteries of Westgate over the web, though....] Most expansion packs in Denmark sell for mayb 249 DKK which is around 50 US dollars with the current exhange rate. New games tend to sell for maybe 399 DKK which will be around 80 US dollars (but then customs and sales tax are also included).



I do believe that games that offers say 60-80 (or even more) game content (or gameplay) maybe, just maybe are a thing of the past. I want better writing, better dialogues, better characters, etc. And if is has to be at the expense of game length, so be it. Neither do I want games that 6 or 10 hours long at full retail price; maybe games that are around 40-60 hours long.



And as I always do in cases like this:



You do know that you can speedrun Fallout 1 (the first one) in under 10 or 15 minutes, just like you can speedrun BGII, I think, in just under 2½ hours...

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Again, I find a fundamental flaw that precludes further debate. Groups exist simultaneously with the esixtence of the individual.

If you think so, you must have some justification for that belief.

And the refusal of the acceptance of society (my belief that such refusal is comeletely ridiculous nothwithstanding) completely eliminates any attempt at reasonable debate.

As I discovered in a previous discussion on a similar topic, I am a nominalist.  I don't believe in the existence of groups.  Groups don't exist.

Nominalism is a coherent point of view.  You cannot dismiss it as nonsensical on its face.

[the_one_54321]

In terms of measurable effect, groups very much exist. The evidence of such is all around us in human activity.

To go down to the very base definition of group and individual and the nature of the psyche and non-certainty, yes everyone is completely individual.

But to simply ignore the real world implications of human interaction, the results had and effects had on the human condition and existence on earth in general... well... that's like closing your eyes and convincing yourself that the darkness you see is the truth. (and being technically right, since darkness only implies a lack of transmitted light, which is certainly ture, but leaves you no wiser, perhaps even less wise, then you were before you convinced yourself of it)

It is rather easy for a technical truth to become something that is useless and unreasonable in real world applications.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 06 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[the_one_54321]

aries1001 wrote...
To put a bit of a perspective on this, my movie theater (cinema) is charging 5-10 bucks more for a film (or movie) that last longer than the average 90 minutes. I clearly remember paying at least 5 bucks more to see the new Harry Potter movie (last summer that is).

Movies are not a proper counterpart to games. This is another example of inaccurate cost comparison.

aries1001 wrote...
You do know that you can speedrun Fallout 1 (the first one) in under 10 or 15 minutes, just like you can speedrun BGII, I think, in just under 2½ hours...

So what? The fact that you can skip the content does not mean the content isn't still there.

[Feraele]

And...why skip content that you paid for? I suspect some do just so at the end, they can state they finished the game in 12 hours or something like that. Fame is fleeting, and its your dollars you are wasting if you are passing by large chunks of content ..for bragging rights. hehe